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AverageBear says

3 years in the making, and they didn't build security measures into the Obamacare website?

Not to worry... we have the NSA PRISM to track down any hackers...

from the article...

"“We went through the biggest housing bubble in U.S. history in the 2000s, and there is a knee-jerk reaction among some people who think, well, maybe we are doing that again,” Yale economist Robert Shiller, a home-price expert and Nobel Prize winner, said in a recent Barron’s interview. “But you have to consider that these are very rare phenomena, and it was such a decisive break at the end of the last housing bubble that we might not be psychologically ready for another bubble.”

we sure werent ready during the peak year for a bubble, fact is most everyone except Robert Shiller was in denial that a bubble even existed. "psychologically ready" or not we sure have a bubble in SFBA.. we havent corrected fully yet..

bgamall4 says

debyne says

but I would just ask that you don't come off too radical with your Zionist/Neocon comments and such because it totally discredits those who are trying to find out the truth about the monstrosity that went on.

Actually, there would be no other folks with motive to do the hoax. Think about it. Like I say, my natural father was Jewish and I am adopted, but I have no doubt Zionists were involved. There is a big difference between being anti Zionist and anti Semitic. And I don't have a problem with Israel existing. But I have a big problem with Israel wanting to boot the Palestinians out, and causing regime change with the assistance of the US neocons in the middle east.

Believe me, I'm not saying it's not true, it's just that most people aren't ready to hear something so drastic unlike you and me since we're willing to have an open mind and look at the facts instead of thinking with our pride like most people will do.

bgamall4 says

debyne says

- crisis actors involved; these actors are legitimate and used for FEMA exercises and can be easily traced to other productions that were done; Robbie Parker among others are clearly crisis actors

Interesting you say crisis actors because one crisis actor website said they didn't engage in government actions. But now you list FEMA and that is government. I would like to hear more.

Crisis actors are used in crises simulated by FEMA. In fact, there's an official handbook that contains their standard operating procedures that talks about actors. The similarities between Sandy Hook and the events in a simulated crises under FEMA are disturbing.

bgamall4 says

Tell us about yourself. Who are you, and what do you stand for. Otherwise these potshots attacking me personally are evidence that you got nothin'.

@bgamall - You can't even acknowledge these sheeple because their too brainwashed by the big media. It's like trying to convince a religious zealot in that his religion isn't true, but he's too blinded by societal brainwashing to look at the facts objectively...it's a sign of an unevolved brain.

thomaswong.1986 says

from the article...

"“We went through the biggest housing bubble in U.S. history in the 2000s, and there is a knee-jerk reaction among some people who think, well, maybe we are doing that again,” Yale economist Robert Shiller, a home-price expert and Nobel Prize winner, said in a recent Barron’s interview. “But you have to consider that these are very rare phenomena, and it was such a decisive break at the end of the last housing bubble that we might not be psychologically ready for another bubble.”

we sure werent ready during the peak year for a bubble, fact is most everyone except Robert Shiller was in denial that a bubble even existed. "psychologically ready" or not we sure have a bubble in SFBA.. we havent corrected fully yet..

Its almost EXACTLY like 2006 in one respect....nearly everyone buying during the past year or so* has this thought in their head:

"I better buy now before I'm priced out forever"

Note that there are not many people who think that way. But inventory is minimal and so it doesn't take a lot of people thinking that way.

*The exception is cash buyers which I believe, at least for coastal urban CA, is comprised of two, and only two groups...wealthy overseas buyers and people seeking to park investment or criminal money. Again, not a whole lot of people.

dodgerfanjohn says

Note that there are not many people who think that way. But inventory is minimal and so it doesn't take a lot of people thinking that way.

Yes, that is true, but Inventory as measured by the MLS has been manipulated the MLS low inventory is misleading per even the Realtors.. (CAR) ....since many are using unlisted pocket listings...

a fast scan of Pocket listings recent articles..

California Association Warns About 'Pocket Listings' | Realtor ...
realtormag.realtor.org › News & Commentary › Daily News‎
Jun 27, 2013 - About 1-in-4 home sales are reportedly pocket listings in some Northern California markets, and the California Association of REALTORS® is ...

California Realtors warning sellers about pocket listings | Inman News
www.inman.com/.../california-realtors-warning-sellers-about-pocket-listi...‎
Jun 25, 2013 - The California Association of Realtors has published a “Q-and-A” on pocket listings for Realtors to distribute to their clients and the news media ...

Pocket listings under fire in California | Inman News
www.inman.com/2013/07/11/pocket-listings-under-fire-in-california/‎
Jul 11, 2013 - An ombudsman, a legal hotline and a distressed property helpline are just a few of the innovations that the California Association of Realtors ...

Pocket listings grow as more sellers keep homes off MLS - Kathleen ...
blog.sfgate.com/.../pocket-listings-grow-as-more-sellers-keep-homes-off-...‎
Aug 19, 2013 - A pocket listing is a home for sale that hasn't been entered into the .... The California Association of Realtors contends that pocket listings hurt ...

Mental illness is no laughing matter. Curious bg...do you ever wonder about how something of this magnitude is pulled off ?

In your fantasy were there really some people killed that day that 26 people were killed ? If not, how do those who were there in the middle of things deal with the discrepancies ? MAybe they killed a couple children and adults, to help pull it off ?

Is it possible that some aliens needed some human passengers for a mission to distant worlds ? Maybe these people were volunteers to have their kids go. And it was a long process, they got all the volunteer families to move to Sandy Hook in the years before hand, so that they could all conveniently disappear from the same location at the same time.

I guess a few mortuary techs would have to be bought off, but that could be done. Probably a couple dozen other various first responders. I wonder, would they try to contacts all the first reponders in advance, to set it up ? Or did they have to pay them off after to keep it quiet ? Definitely complicated to pull off something like that on this scale.

Maybe it wasn't aliens, but we already have ships that go on missions in to deep space, and so they took volunteer children and adults for the U.S. space mission on that day.

Not to change the subject, but getting passengers for deep space trips could have been what was behind 9/11 as well. IF a lot of people were going to be departing on missions in to space, or possible leaving via one of those magical gates, it would have been a great cover.

I for one think alien involvement is more likely. By the way, doesn't this guy sort of look like an alien ? The wig and make up doesn't fool me.

Actually the op began as a modest proposal from the Department of Education to the Department of Agriculture. Faced with overcrowded schools and a sequestered lunch budget, school shootings seemed like the only way to supply the cafeteria.

The parents were just happy not to have to pay for college. Plus they get to have sex again, which some of them hadn't done in years.

those are very happy parents indeed.

plus, no surveillance footage. something is V E R Y fishy.

I'm not gonna go all deep into conspiracy land here,,,but,,,my last post dissappeared from this thread.

Vanished without a trace. I wish another soul bore witness to it, lest I am tossed on the heap of crazies and conspiracist whack a doos

I bet some of these loons think that the holocaust actually happened.

Like it wasn't some big zionist propaganda to sway public opinion so they could do away with hitler

errc says

some of these loons

...probably believe in the moon landing too. Of course everyone knows it was all fake, I saw a documentary re-enactment where OJ Simpson showed how the whole thing was done.

That's why they got him btw. The real killers were from NASA, and their cover was they work as golf caddies, which is why OJ dedicated himself to searching for them on golf courses. The Nevada robbery case was all part of the cover-up.

Mark D says

plus, no surveillance footage.

Yes, in this day and age, any place that doesn't have continuous video surveillance from at least a dozen camera angles is very suspicious.

bgamall4 says

Like I say, my natural father was Jewish and I am adopted,

When you are finally committed or at least undergoing therapy and undergoing psychiatric care and therapy, examing this statement regarding your biological father, which you continually post, would be an excellent place to start to find the root of your obsession(s) and delusion(s) as reflected in many of your postings.

some of the photos of the moon landing are definitely fake.

1. flag "flying" when there is no wind on the moon
2. no burn crater under the landing spot
4. a piece of rock has the word "C" carved out (studio props)
5. camera's cross-hair is behind an object

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6NfXw0UzSYA

errc says

I'm not gonna go all deep into conspiracy land here,,,but,,,my last post dissappeared from this thread.

Vanished without a trace. I wish another soul bore witness to it, lest I am tossed on the heap of crazies and conspiracist whack a doos

Quite a few posts will disappear from this thread before it runs its course.

My cousin, who is on a new drug regimen for schizophrenia, plus a convenience-store clerk I know, have researched the connections among Zionism, the moon landings, and Sandy Hook, and have convinced me that only someone at the intellectual level of Terry Schiavo would believe the official story.

This sequence of false-flag ops goes back to 1945, when Hitler, together with 1000 hand-picked Nazis, fled planet Earth for the moon, where they had established a lunar Auschwitz stocked with Jewish slave labor. Kennedy, knowing full well that Hitler knew way more about Joe Kennedy's (and Prescott Bush's) financial relationships with the Reich, started the Apollo program as a military operation to bomb the Nazi lunar base at Scheisskopf Crater.

Problem was that Kennedy was having second thoughts about secrecy, which pissed off the Israelis. So they killed him in Dallas.

The moon landings had to go forward, and would be detectable by radio and visual observers from Earth, so they needed a benign version to feed the public: all the Armstrong/Aldrin stuff was filmed in a studio, while real combat astronauts engaged the Nazinauts in lunar combat. That's why the Apollo program ended after 3 years and only 6 landings. It's fair to say that the moon landings were both real and faked.

Fast forward to 2001, and the Zionists get wind of pockets of Nazi resistance remaining near Copernicus Crater. Bush, hoping to destroy any remaining documents in Hitler's lunar archives which might embarrass his grandfather, greenlights 9-11 in order to get enough black-budget money for another moon landing - much of the equipment sent to Iraq was rocket stages, launch facilities, and spacesuits and capsules.

I have researched this, and there is a homeless drug addict in the park downtown who says he can tie Sandy Hook to 9-11, so I think there's a continuum of evil here.

David9 says

You have my vote for the true genius of Pat.net.

It is true, isn't it?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Housing prices never go down. Never have. Ever.

Unless buyers do exactly what they are told by REALTORS, they and their children will die homeless, freezing in the dark and begging for someone to shoot them.

In fact, every house in the US is worth at least twice what any house now costs in Westminster or Notre Dame and is underpriced, no matter where it is in the US.

This is the best post on the Internet.

edvard2 says

The site is being fixed. That is reality. Also- you're going to find it difficult to pinpoint any time in US history when anything on such a monumental scale was carried out perfectly without major glitches. Interesting that you mention "rocket science" Ever read about the NASA program in its early years? We spent untold BILLIONS of 1960's dollars on it and for years, the program and the spacecraft it built were rife with problems and in many cases the rockets couldn't even make it off the ground.

You are still excusing it. They are just building a website, not reinventing internet and the wheel from scratch.

In this market what would realtors say to try and drum up some life/sales volume? How would you 'scare' sellers into selling?

2014 is going to look like 2013 with higher house prices. Inventory isn't going to suddenly flood the market.

Call it Crazy says

No security ever built into Obamacare site: Hacker

That's ok. If a hacker deletes everyone's data, the NSA has a backup copy.

Sellers are doing fine.There are plenty of Dumass buyers willing to overpay for sellers shacks.

Without the prospect of rapid house price inflation, and all things being equal, decreasing prices for new homes should cause existing home prices to plunge.

It's like if there's a sale on new model cars, then used cars become much less valuable. Who wants an old dirty falling part house with ancient appliances when you can get brand new house with clean walls and fixtures and so on.

Tim Aurora says

Supply also dwindled to 4.5 months indicating that the home prices may increase.

There isn't a limited supply of something that can be built at will.

Tim Aurora says

2. Homes cannot be build at will in a few days. It takes years from planning to sale.

Are you saying no new home is being built today?

Bottom line, building is very low and will increase.

New home sales will likely increase more than existing home sales as they fell much lower during the crisis.

Most likely builders will come to their senses and start building cheaper houses/apartments.

It's ridiculous to think that any government or organization would ever engage in an evil conspiracy. Operation Northwoods was a complete fabrication by right-wing nutjobs to further their conspiracy agenda. People just need to get over themselves and trust that our government is a servant to the people and is here for our benefit.

Tim Aurora says

1. Home is an appreciating asset while car is a depricating asset

How many 1oo yrs old houses do you see around you?
Houses do have a limited lifetime, and are in fact depreciating.

I don't know in what sense one could say that a home is an "appreciating" asset.

A home is a commodity. More can be built as needed. Building costs are not increasing faster than inflation. And there is a lot of land to build. There is absolutely no rational reason for home prices to "appreciate" over time, in real terms - except maybe from a speculative perspective.

bgamall4 says

debyne says

It's ridiculous to think that any government or organization would ever engage in an evil conspiracy. Operation Northwoods was a complete fabrication by right-wing nutjobs to further their conspiracy agenda. People just need to get over themselves and trust that our government is a servant to the people and is here for our benefit.

I hope you are being sarcastic. Operation Northwoods was very real. It was a false flag not unlike 9/11. And Lemnitzer and Cheney did work together. I am sure Cheney learned all about Northwoods prior to it being declassified circa 1997.

Why didn't the media report on it? Why don't my friends know about it then? Do you have any proof it's real? There can't be proof because gov't conspiracies don't happen and are for tin-foil-wearing wackjobs.

If all the low priced homes,that sold,weren't overpriced, it's the end of the U.S.A.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Wednesday, December 4, 2013 __ Level is 101.7

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

HEY YOU says

Sellers are doing fine.There are plenty of Dumass buyers willing to overpay for sellers shacks.

+1.

Tim Aurora says

Houses do have a limited lifetime, and are in fact depreciating.

Look at case-schiller. It shows that over a period of time homes increase at a value of 1% over inflation.

...since 1980. It was flat on longer period of times. I haven't seen any reasoning that would explain why RE should increase in time forever independent of the idiosyncrasies of the current macro-background.

And the housing stock keeps being replaced: Individual houses depreciate with time.

Tim Aurora says

A home is a commodity

Not true. A home has a "rental" output

Commodity: a class of goods for which there is demand, but which is supplied without qualitative differentiation across a market.

"rental" output ain't nothing to do with it.

Tim Aurora says

Yes if you want to live 100 miles from the city but Not in desireable areas

Desirable areas change from one generation to the next. New cities become "cool". Others decline and go bankrupt.

Heraclitusstudent says

Most likely builders will come to their senses and start building cheaper houses/apartments.

I see this as the most likely and sane scenario.

They will simply cut around the existing home market, and bring in mass built new homes for about half the price (which is all that most people can afford).

That will pull the rug out from under the existing home market.

Heraclitusstudent says

Tim Aurora says

Yes if you want to live 100 miles from the city but Not in desireable areas

Desirable areas change from one generation to the next. New cities become "cool". Others decline and go bankrupt.

Many people are already living that far, or else closer but never set foot inside "The City" anyway. You can build complete communities in the middle of nowhere, and add in commercial services and features without having to have a City (with skyscrapers etc).

Oct is a Fall month, is colder than Summer months. Colder months are not the same as cold months.

When income is stagnant and home is appreciating very fast, builders are wise to build more lower priced homes. Lower priced homes have smaller lots, smaller square footage and lower quality interiors.

bgamall4 says

It was declassified. I read it in my local paper in Reno, NV. Here is more proof Northwoods was very real, but stopped by JFK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

This can't be true. I just can't believe our gov't would propose doing something like this. Someone MUST'VE posted fake information on Wikipedia because this could lead to ideas that other events like 9/11, Pearl Harbor and Sandy Hook are also these so-called "false flags". Just not possible...I refuse to accept the facts you've presented and choose to hide in the comfort of the masses by presuming you're part of the black helicopter crowd.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

HydroCabron says

This is the best post on the Internet.

You're a genius.

Extremely sagacious analysis!

Mark D says

. flag "flying" when there is no wind on the moon

Mythbusters debunked this by testing a similar flag in a vacuum. They proved it moves around a lot for quite a while after you stop waving it around.