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Not that I disagree with the conclusion, but that chart is stupid. The correlation between political ideology and alcohol consumption should be done at least at the voting district level if not a finer granularity. Doing it at the state level is just crude.

Also, the research should have classified what kind of alcohol consumption is associated with each sample: beer, wine, liquor, etc.

Really, can't anyone in the press do real research anymore? Just look at how marketing companies data mine. When money is on the line, people get a lot more specific with their statistics.

CaptainShuddup says

Drinking too much is considered being too Liberal.

Like the Drunks in Washington right now.

Ah, yet another illustration of conservatives' ineptitude in reasoning.

1. Group A and group B are both composed of N people, where N is high enough to be used in a simple random sample.
2. Group A drinks more alcohol than group B.

Based on these facts, can we conclude either
3. More people in group A get drunk than people in group B.
4. The total number of drunk person-hours in group A is greater than in group B.

Anyone who isn't completely inept at logic realizes the answer is obviously no to both conclusions. Group A can easily drink more alcohol than group B, but pace themselves so that they get drunk less often (even never) than group B.

There is simply insufficient information to conclude that liberals get drunk more than conservatives based on the premise that liberals drink more than conservatives. And that is assuming the persons carrying out the study even got the definition of liberal correct, and that's a big assumption.

What a stupid thread. Many conservatives are bible thumpers who don't believe in demon rum. Duh.

bob2356 says

What a stupid thread. Many conservatives are bible thumpers who don't believe in demon rum. Duh.

Sufficient data mining could filter for that and determine if political ideology independent of religious doctrine affects alcohol consumption.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Teen Killer Zimmereman Wants to Beat On Negroes for a Living

Then he should run for Senate as a Republican.

Dan8267 says

Then he should run for Senate as a Republican.

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

George Zimmerman Agrees to Celeb Boxing Match -- I'll Fight Anyone, Even Black People

George Zimmerman: the white man's O.J. Simpson

zzyzzx says

Dan8267 says

Then he should run for Senate as a Republican.

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

He should switch. Republican philosophy is more in line with his.

Recent news was that a serial killer did the Simpson murders. OJ sent the guy in there to get some things for him, tho, but didn't intend the killing. So he was innocent. Sort of.
OJ wanting his stuff was a recurring theme, culminating in the Vegas episode that landed him in prison for real.
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/justice/o-j-simpson-film-claim/

Obligatory:

Is there a statistician in the house?

I draw far different conclusions from the provided graph. Only 6 data points represent low-drinking less-liberal states, and the highest consumption numbers are less-liberal as well.

The 6 low consumption conservative states are probably bible belt states with blue laws still in effect, and the graph does not reflect undocumented moonshine anyway.

Call it Crazy says

Hmmmm... why are the liberals here so concerned with this study???

No one liberal or conservative with more than 2 working brain cells is concerned with such a dumb ass study. Why are you concerned enough to post it in the first place?

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

No one liberal or conservative with more than 2 working brain cells is concerned with such a dumb ass study.

Then why did YOU respond to it so negatively???

Im not concerned in the least, I just think it' just plain old stupid and am amazed anyone would actually bother to bring it up. Must be a really, really slow day for the liberal bashers. BTW I'm an right leaning independent, formerly a Reagan republican until I realized I had been scammed.

From what I have observed, liberals are more likely to drink wine and microbrews while conservatives are more likely to drink hard liquor and swill americana symbol beers such as miller and budweiser, the companies which ironically aren't even american.

Dan8267 says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

George Zimmerman Agrees to Celeb Boxing Match -- I'll Fight Anyone, Even Black People

George Zimmerman: the white man's O.J. Simpson

Too bad zimmerman ain't white.

Stereotypes save valuable thinking energy.

Cabron Del Hydro says

Stereotypes save valuable thinking energy.

You are assuming the people using stereotypes are capable of actually thinking. You know what they say about assume.

Call it Crazy says

zzyzzx says

Dan8267 says

Then he should run for Senate as a Republican.

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

Ahhh... You just burst Dan's narrative.... Boo Hoo...

And you just supported it. Unless you believe that there are no racists in the Democratic party.

Since you've proven it by showing that GZ is a registered Dem, and Dan contends that the GOP is the home of racism, then Dan is right that GZ should run as a Republican.

Will we ever understand the mind of a killer?

Call it Crazy says

zzyzzx says

Dan8267 says

Then he should run for Senate as a Republican.

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

Ahhh... You just burst Dan's narrative.... Boo Hoo...

Hardly. Yes, Democrats can be gun toting, racist assholes who kill innocent people, but Republicans far more often fit that profile.

Call it Crazy says

sbh says

Three down, less than two to go until the end of the world as we know it.

S&P, Dow see biggest monthly loss since May 2012

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/01/31/stock-market-live-blog-worst-jan-since-2010-earnings-disappoint-wal-mart-warns/

Yup

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/31/investing/stocks-markets/index.html?iid=Lead

Off to a great first month here folks. The effect of tapering hasn't even been felt yet. Can you say "blood bath".

drudometkin says

Too bad zimmerman ain't white.

1. Zimmerman is white. Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive.

2. Whether or not Zimmerman is white isn't the point I was making. The point was that a lot of white people are happy that Zimmerman got away with murder for the exact same reason a lot of black people are happy that O.J. got away with murder.

In both cases, each pro-murderer side knows that the person is guilty of murder, but sees the criminal getting away with it as a victory for their race.

Personally, I just see it as two assholes getting away with murder.

CL says

Dan contends that the GOP is the home of racism

To be fair, back before the 1950s, the Democrats -- more specifically, the Southern Democrats or Dixiecrats -- where the party of racism. But when the GOP adopted The Southern Strategy they became the party of racism.

The GOP made a careful calculation based on racial demographics and concluded they would never have to win the minority vote to hold Congress and the presidency. That was true for the 1950s to the 1980s, but isn't true today. Hence, the Southern Strategy, as vile as it is, helped the GOP for a few decades, but now is ensuring its decline.

And no amount of Jim Crowing the elections by
- voter ID laws
- selectively arresting minorities for drug-related crimes
- gerrymandering the electoral districts
is going to compensate for the sheer number of "minority" voters. Ultimately, the GOP started digging its own grave when it adopted the Southern Strategy.

Furthermore, the gerrymandering of districts also backfired on the GOP. They managed to ensure that all the inbred radicals were in the same voting district so that only Republicans would be elected, but that very gerrymandering means that only extreme Tea-Party nutcases are elected now, and those nutcases can't win a general election.

Conservatives are responsible for the creation of every single problem they bitch about. The hate that blacks are all over America, but they are the ones who brought over the slaves. They hate that blacks are on welfare, but they are the ones who made sure that African Americans were kept out of good schools and jobs through segregation. They hate that blacks have a different culture than conservatives have, but the conservatives would not let the African Americans integrate into white society. Conservatives hate unemployment benefits and food stamps, but they outsource all the jobs to Chindia and do everything to break worker's bargaining power so that the Middle Class no longer has living wages.

The fact is that everything conservatives bitch about would go away if conservatives had no say in government or business.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Friday, January 31, 2014 __ Level is 100.6

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

Dan8267 says

drudometkin says

Too bad zimmerman ain't white.

1. Zimmerman is white. Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive.

2. Whether or not Zimmerman is white isn't the point I was making. The point was that a lot of white people are happy that Zimmerman got away with murder for the exact same reason a lot of black people are happy that O.J. got away with murder.

In both cases, each pro-murderer side knows that the person is guilty of murder, but sees the criminal getting away with it as a victory for their race.

Personally, I just see it as two assholes getting away with murder.

Huh, I guess you missed the memo where it was decided that both men were innocent. Evidence now strongly suggests that OJ was indeed innocent of the murders, and Zimmerman was following the Florida state law when he shot TM.
Where's the controversy? You can't say race!!! After all, Zimmerman isn't Latino and Obama isn't black, he's white!

bgamall4 says

No, George Bush was the white man's OJ Simpson:

O.J. was not in the same league of evil as George Bush. Hell, it's not even the same sport.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

Hardly. Yes, Democrats can be gun toting, racist assholes

Nice... The first part to recovery is admitting that you have a problem!!!

I'm not a Democrat. The Democratic Party is corrupt, lazy, incompetent, and greedy. However, the Republican Party is several orders of magnitude more evil than the Democratic Party.

Choosing between the two is like choosing between a guy who robs liquor stores and a guy who rapes and kills children. Yes, both are unacceptably bad, but when forced to choose between the lesser of the two evils, it is easy to decide.

Quigley says

I guess you missed the memo where it was decided that both men were innocent.

Everyone knows that the jury in both cases made the wrong call. Everyone knows that there are some people in each race that's OK with the wrong call that favors their race. And then there are people like me who would rather justice had been served in both cases.

Every response to my statement by the pro-Zimmerman crowd supports my statement, Zimmerman is the white man's O.J. A lot of white people feel that Zimmerman getting away with killing a black boy makes up for O.J. getting away with killing a white woman. Thankfully, there are more white people who don't believe in that nonsense.

Call it Crazy says

Quigley says

Huh, I guess you missed the memo where it was decided that both men were innocent. Evidence now strongly suggests that OJ was indeed innocent of the murders, and Zimmerman was following the Florida state law when he shot TM.

Yeah, that's just a small detail Dan missed

Hardly. Although the jury made that decision, a different jury might not have. I've read Florida's Stand Your Ground law. There is nothing in it that implies a person has the right to chase down another person and then kill him. It's Stand Your Ground not Take Ground.

Dan8267 says

Sufficient data mining could filter for that and determine if political ideology independent of religious doctrine affects alcohol consumption.

You have to be a real loser to dislike such a dry statement as the one above.

Call it Crazy says

Hmmmm... why are the liberals here so concerned with this study???

Who says I'm concerned? That's you jumping to a conclusion.

There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. So whether or not liberals do so, although maybe interesting from a sociological view, is completely irrelevant to judgments of intelligence, integrity, morality, or correctness of political philosophy.

I did make suggestions of how the study could be made better, but those suggestions have nothing to do with the conclusion of the study.

Now, perhaps you posted this thread to suggest that liberals are somehow inferior to the assholes who call themselves social conservatives, but if that's the case you are way off base. Social conservatives have sided with evil on every issue for the past 400 years including
- slavery
- subjugating women
- segregation
- killing unarmed college students at anti-war protests
- torturing men, women, and children
- assassinating U.S. citizens including minors
- falsely imprisoning minorities to prevent them from voting
- Jim Crow Laws
- Voter ID laws who sole intention is to prevent legitimate minority voters from voting

Social conservatives are morally inferior, intellectually inferior, and despicable. This is true because of the horrific history of social conservatives. Whether or not they drink more is utterly irrelevant. Drinking isn't evil. Even getting drunk isn't evil. Raping your slave and then killing her children is fucking evil. Conservatives come from a very long line of evil, vile, despicable people. Evil is in their genes and their culture.

I rebut Dan's argument with solid facts and he responds with hand-waving "Everyone knows..."
The difference between Truth and what "everyone knows" is evident to anyone with a modicum of wisdom. If you ever find yourself in the majority, you can be certain you're heading off a cliff.

This is about Obama stay on topic guys.

Call it Crazy says

I've read Florida's Stand Your Ground law. There is nothing in it that implies a person has the right to chase down another person and then kill him. It's Stand Your Ground not Take Ground.

The only problem I have with what you said in the context of the Zimmerman trial, he was not defending his right to exercise "Stand your Ground". All he had to defend was that, He is not a racist killer. He should have been tried for Manslaughter, neglegence, murder 2nd, or murder 3rd, but the Obama super pac fund money was trying Zimmerman for Murder 1st. They tried to skirt the stand your ground argument by painting his as an angry homicidal racist lunatic.

What can I tell ya, Liberals shouldn't mix business with pleasure, then maybe Zimmerman would be probation wearing an ankle bracelet, and the City of Sanford would on the losing side of a 50 million dollar lawsuit, for their negligence for letting a lone whacko nutt job lose with a loaded gun patrolling the streets under the pretense that he is the law.

Meh tough break Kid, whudaya gonna do? Can't paint every White lone whacko nutt job as a racist. Sometimes they are just your average run of the mill fuckups that had no business with a Gun.

Oh and because the Liberal political money machine blundered his trial so badly. Zimmerman gets to keep his Gun(s). Good JOB!

Zimmermans not white.

Dan8267 says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

George Zimmerman Agrees to Celeb Boxing Match -- I'll Fight Anyone, Even Black People

George Zimmerman: the white man's O.J. Simpson

Wrong again.
Zimmerman is 'adobe south'...

Dan8267 says

drudometkin says

Too bad zimmerman ain't white.

1. Zimmerman is white

Call it Crazy says

TM was NOT "chased down"... he was sitting on Zim's chest when he was shot.... Nice twist of the facts!!!

You've got a political agenda. I don't.

Zimmerman followed Martin in his car. Stalked him around the neighborhood. And then got out of his car and chased Martin on foot. That's not standing your ground.

If Zimmerman was black and Martin white, you'd be outraged that another hoodlum killed a white kid. Your position is determined by the races. I'd be calling Zimmerman guilty if he were black and Martin was white, just like I call O.J. guilty. Race matters to you, not me.

As for Stand Your Ground, funny that it does not apply to a black woman firing a warning shot in her own house when her ex-husband breaks in and threatens her. She gets 20 years for her self-defense and no one got hurt.

But a white guy chases after an unarmed, black minor who committed NO CRIME and was not threatening anyone at the time, and then shoots him to death when the black minor fights back against his stalker, and that's self-defense. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.

I suppose when Drunky McDumbass walks up to a couple, sucker punches the guy, and groups the woman's genitals, Drunky McDumbass will be justified in shooting the man he just punched out when that man gets up to hit Drunky. After all, Drunky is legitimately in fear of his life because the guy he assaulted might have a gun just like Drunky does.

In that scenario, I consider Drunky the guilty party. Depending on his race and the race of his victims, you'd either call him a hoodlum or a hero. 'Nuff said.

Quigley says

I rebut Dan's argument with solid facts and he responds with hand-waving "Everyone knows..."

Your solid facts is that the jury acquitted Zimmerman, not that the jury was right. Your assuming that African Americans have never been disfranchised by the legal system. Maybe you should watch a few documentaries, or at least The Butler.

You are hardly a voice of rationality.

CaptainShuddup says

He is not a racist killer.

Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell. And the manipulation of the 9/11 call by the press just fucked up everything.

Nonetheless, he prejudicial assumed Martin was a burglar, which was completely false, whether that was racism or some other prejudice is a secondary matter at best. Zimmerman is still guilty of second degree murder, not manslaughter. He got lucky that the system failed in his favor. He's a violent punk with a history of crimes, and he's clearly a danger to society.

Since when did Quigley buy a majority position in 'assuming'??

Dan8267 says

Your assuming that African Americans have never been disfranchised by the legal system.