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gsr says

This is about facts. It has nothing to do with economic policy. Stop fooling
yourself.

>>Rates are low largely because corporate rates are pegged to the
benchmark 10-year Treasury yield, which has dropped to around 2 percent from
more than 3.5 percent in early 2011.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/business/low-rates-entice-companies-to-borrow.html?pagewanted=all

This is one of the silliest arguments I have had on pnet, and that is saying something.

I have shown that corporate debt (and jojo even confirmed it with his related chart) clearly floats vs. the 10 year.

His argument that "pegged" means it can trade in a range, and as time increases, the range may increase as well, is ridiculous.

I could us this definition of "pegged" to argue that Unilever (UN) is pegged to the dollar, in a range of 36 to 43. After all, over the last year that is the range it has been trading in. Ah, but but someone would say, what about if you look back further? Well going back 3 years you have to increase the range to 32 to 43. No further: 5 years? Ok fine, 18 to 43. And so on and so on.

You could say anything is pegged to anything else, if you chose a time period small enough or a range large enough. AAPL is pegged to gold, the range is .01 ounces to .5 ounces per share.

It is silly.

And citing a NYT article where the author also incorrectly uses the term is hardly proof. As I said, the Yuan was pegged to the dollar for years - if you look at a chart of the exchange rate between the currencies, it is a straight line, from the time the peg was put on until it was removed about 7 years later.

jojo says

How To Read A Bond Quote:
"Bond Quotes Expressed As A Spread Against
Treasuries Professional traders of corporate bonds often talk about price in
terms of the difference between the bond’s yield and the yield of a treasury
with a comparable maturity. If a professional trader is offering a corporate
bond to another trader at “+175” and the yield of the comparable treasury is
2.00%, the yield on the corporate bond would be 3.75%.

If it is pegged, then it is ALWAYS +175. The fact that it is a quote at all and changes is proof that it floats: res ipsa loquitor.

jojo says

To fix (a price)

Good lord.

So what is the range that corporates are FIXED to Treasuries? No need to supply a chart: how many basis points from X(low) to Y(high) will corporates ALWAYS trade within the corresponding treasury?

"Priced off" does not equal "fixed."

FOR....FUCKS....SAKE....

Vicente says

2 radar stations in Malaysia evidently tracked this thing but did nothing. I'm curious to hear what story they told their bosses.

Were you expecting them to admit to being asleep at the helm?

If it's on internet it doesn't mean it's true.

curious2 says

Reportedly, the turn was already programmed into the computer prior to takeoff, which is consistent with this accident theory.

I'm thinking they're with Amelia Earhart, which means she's fine, and they're pretty much living the life, harvesting coconuts for food; we know this to be a sustainable diet thanks to the research performed on Gilligan's Island.

I saw this last night, and so far this fire theory seems more plausible than a lot of the tin-foil hat stuff:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

The 45,000 feet reading still seems like a red herring. This has always seemed to me to be an amateur theory based on lay (i.e. extremely poor) understanding of flight. We haven't had that number confirmed yet (especially given the characteristics of the plane at the time), and the radar could have easily calculated wrong -- primary radar isn't always the best for altitude, especially when its as far away as it was. Even 35,000 feet or 41,000 feet are sufficient to knock the passengers unconscious in a very reasonable amount of time, so it seems like a silly rationalization. And we still don't have a good explanation for how a 777 would still be flying for several hours after a 40,000 fps dive.

The fire theory still has its problems -- i.e. it magically knocked out only non-essential systems while incapacitating the pilots, but it's closer than the Tom Clancy stuff.

Just like PCs are losing market share to tablets, mortgages are down in favor of all-cash.

For every one person that needs a mortgage, there are twenty Chinese ready to overbid with an all-cash offer. And even in the worst case, there are over a billion of them... all you need is one.

control point says

"Priced off" does not equal "fixed."

FOR....FUCKS....SAKE....

So? What is your beef actually?
You think corporate bond yields are low due to some other reason, and the Fed has no effect in influencing it?
Why do you think corporate debt level is at historic high?

Buyers are gone, so are the sellers with the dream of buyers for their overpriced shacks.

exfatguy says

there are twenty Chinese ready to overbid with an all-cash offer. And even in the worst case, there are over a billion of them... all you need is one.

Yeah, there is no way to stop the tsunami of Chinese billionaires willing to bet in our market. After all it is our money anyways.

gsr says

So? What is your beef actually?
You think corporate bond yields are low
due to some other reason, and the Fed has no effect in influencing it?
Why do
you think corporate debt level is at historic high?

No..No..

My beef is you both claimed that corporate debt is "pegged" to the 10 year treasury. It is not "pegged."

Corporate debt floats vs. treasuries. A market determines a price for treasuries, a market determines a price for corporate debt. Are they related? Of course, everything is related to the risk-free rate of return.

In Finance, "pegged" means something. The Cayman Dollar is pegged to the US dollar. The Krone is pegged to the Euro. The Venezuelan Bolivar is pegged to the US dollar.

That is all.

I hate it when i'm right....

Checks are being carried out on the background of all of those aboard the plane. Mr Hussein said that checks have been received for all the foreigners except those from Ukraine and Russia - which account for three passengers - and that nothing suspicious has turned up so far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-investigators-trying-to-restore-deleted-data-from-flight-simulator-in-pilots-home-9202234.html

SoftShell says

Russian hijacking to take heat off the crimia land grab..

corntrollio says

The fire theory still has its problems -- i.e. it magically knocked out only non-essential systems while incapacitating the pilots, but it's closer than the Tom Clancy stuff.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

This pilot says they could have shut down systems to try to isolate the cause of a fire. He says this was actually found to have been done in another fire incident. So the transponder would have been deliberately shut off, but not for nefarious purposes. The climb to 45,000 feet might have been a last-ditch attempt to starve the fire of oxygen. Also interesting is that he suggests the crew could have been incapacitated and the plane just continued flying on the same course until it ran out of fuel, which would account for why it was still tracked hours later. I have no way to judge if this is a reasonable theory, but it seems to make sense.

tatupu70 says

I think Tatupoo needs something he can relate to more in his day-to-day line of work. Poo, think of 'indirectly pegged' like if you mistakenly put the 'For Sale' sign in the backyard instead of the front yard. Sure, you are directly putting up the sign, but you have 'indirectly pegged' it in the wrong location.

You get 'indirectly punked' each and every day, and you don't complain about that phrase.

corntrollio says

The 45,000 feet reading still seems like a red herring. This has always seemed to me to be an amateur theory based on lay (i.e. extremely poor) understanding of flight

Something is certainly not right about the 45,000 number. No one has yet to explain how a 777 with 7 hours fuel on board and a full load of passengers could possibly get anywhere close to that altitude.

We allow it. No one should be able to buy property in a country they are not a citizen of. If they want to be a citizen they should have to jump through all the same hoops anyone else would have to. Same test, and possibly giving up their citizenship in another country to live here. We can't have a healthy democratic republic if half the population is not invested in the republic, and I don't mean in monetary ways. I know its hard for people in our current society to understand, gut there are other ways to contribute to a society. Not a citizen? No property rights in the republic. Welcome foreigners, give them hospitality, offer places to rent, but access to public services paid by taxes, or ownership of property? No way.

Interest rates are prob going to rise - shorting REITs and homebuilders may become more fashionable again ;)

If you like your peninsula, you can keep your peninsula.

hrhjuliet says

We allow it. No one should be able to buy property in a country they are not a
citizen of.

Fully agree!

Prop 13 means that House Holders aren't penalized enough for keeping homes off the market.

Higher property taxes on real estate that isn't a primary residence would light a fire under sellers' behinds.

If Jerry Brown were to have a legacy, it would be to rollback the law that started on his watch.

jojo says

http://fidelityfiplus.econoday.com/byresource.aspx?cust=fidelityFIplus&year=2013&grp=3&rcrid=1097

Thanks to corntrollio for this data source.

Good-so you now understand that they are not pegged but rather correlated.

If it was pegged, they would move EXACTLY in lockstep. The fact that they don't proves they are not pegged.

The word you are looking for is correlated.

Homeboy says

This pilot says they could have shut down systems to try to isolate the cause of a fire.

Yes, that's exactly why the transponder can be disabled -- it might be the cause of the problem. Lots of non-airplane people think that there should be non-defeatable devices on-board commercial planes for tracking, but those devices could always have a wiring fault or other problem that the pilot needs to be able to diagnose. Furthermore, there are legitimate reasons to turn off the transponder -- e.g. for maintenance reasons or because ATC may request that you change your squawk code.

Note that there are still problems with the fire explanation. Typically they'd tell ATC that they are having an emergency and are heading to a diversion airport. Maybe you'd even get a Pan-Pan or Mayday. As I mentioned, the fire also has to be just bad enough to disable some stuff, but not everything, which seems odd too.

bob2356 says

Something is certainly not right about the 45,000 number. No one has yet to explain how a 777 with 7 hours fuel on board and a full load of passengers could possibly get anywhere close to that altitude.

Yeah, I agree -- that's what I mentioned above. The number could easily be incorrect or reported wrong. The funniest thing is all the people saying 45000 = passenger death. That's just incorrect.

hrhjuliet says

No one should be able to buy property in a country they are not a citizen of.

Why not? At least it means we have something we can produce that we can sell the Chinese. And for a huge profit.
Just build more of it so there are enough for Americans.

hrhjuliet says

We can't have a healthy democratic republic if half the population is not invested in the republic

Are they even living here?
At the next war with China, all these houses will be confiscated right back and these Chinese who are living here parked in a camp.

jojo says

Choose whatever words make you comfortable

OK--I'm done wasting my time on this. Words have meanings. You can't change them to suit your needs. Unless you are an Austrian, of course.

I wonder if he'll lose his MLS access for this.

jojo says

@tatupu

gsr says

So? What is your beef actually?


You think corporate bond yields are low due to some other reason, and the Fed has no effect in influencing it?


Why do you think corporate debt level is at historic high?

I think that's been explained numerous times. With the current levels of wealth disparity, the US is literally awash with cash looking for somewhere to go. A lot of it goes into bonds which drives the yield down. It's called the free market--not the Fed.

Call it Crazy says

Why???? You do ALL the time!!!

Example?

Who am I kidding. Of course you won't have any examples.......

Iosef V HydroCabron says

I wonder if he'll lose his MLS access for this.

He'll still have access to plenty of tight holes to exploit regardless.

So I vote for him being allowed MLS access as it won't make a difference in justice.

Call it Crazy says

Here's your examples:

http://patrick.net/comments.php?a=2670

Yep--that's what I figured.

Call it Crazy says

Should we start a poll here to see how "useful" your comments are and let the membership decide??

Sure--and let's do the same about your comments.

Just when I thought you could not raise the bar any higher...

I see a PSA, quite noble

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Witnesses called police, alleging their neighbor was raping his 8-month-old female dog on his porch.

Nothing gay about that, so at least he isn't some homo sicko like FortWayne is always worried about.

To all the Baby Boomers thinking about moving to Florida, remember this is what you are moving to.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Witnesses called police, alleging their neighbor was raping his 8-month-old female dog on his porch.

Are you sure it wasn't just a Baby Boomer and a Millennial. It's pretty much the same relationship.