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DFJ--

Who exactly "answered" it already on here? And how was/is his or her opinion more valid?

Okay, but if you are looking for emails of wrong-doing of a particular kind, how would you know which ones they are if you don't look at all of them? I could easily send an email through my husband's account if I wanted to. Is that all a person has to do to get away with crimes... Send emails under a different account? That's ridiculous.

You all are being such defensive assholes about all this. I'm simply asking the question. I know that you have a need to be absolutely right about everything and any question brought up is an attack of the greatest kind against everything you stand for... But sometimes when a person just asks a question, she is just asking a question and thinking out loud. You really don't need to be dicks about it.

Turtle--

It would help if you didn't imply he was stupid in your post. People tend to get a little offended when you do that.

It would help if you didn't imply he was stupid in your post. People tend to get a little offended when you do that.

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I didn't. I said that "people smarter than you" are debating it. People who study these things. That was true, at the time. It's a moot point, right now, as the warrant has been issued. That is not implying that he's stupid. I don't go around presenting myself as a constitutional scholar. I highly doubt he is one, either. I have no trouble admitting there are people who know more about the details of the laws. That's why we ask questions. It's supposed to be a discussion. Not even experts get it right every time. That's how things end up at the Supreme Court.

turtledove says

You really don't need to be dicks about it.

I wasn't being a dick about it with this (below). Curious what DJF doesn't get about this. It's kind of simple.

marcus is NOT deplorable says

A better analogy would be say someone's home was being investigated (with a warrant) becasue the teenage son had a meth lab in the basement, and the investigator said, "you know, I brought Steve here along with us, becasue he really wants to look through the father's files in his desk upstairs becasue of an unrelated tax fraud investigation last year that was unable to get any incriminating evidence."

Are you kidding ?

turtledove says

It's a moot point, right now, as the warrant has been issued.

I don't see how that's true. How did Comey have probable cause regarding Abedins emails, to write a letter to congress about reopening an investigation, unless he read them without a warrant ?

This may be something that hasn't been addressed before. That is, privacy of digital files in this type of situation. One also has to wonder whether they really had probable cause with Weiner - no doubt he's a pervert and an idiot - but do we know that that investigation would have happened if they didn't want to get to Abedin's emails?

Look I'm just asking questions too. Anyone that denies the possibility of their being privacy issues here is being dishonest.

@marcus... I wasn't talking about you. I was kind of using the "royal" y'all to be polite.

Maybe I'm just in a mood today. Besides, today... I'm Anne Boleyn. So everyone just needs to STFU and give me my due respect ;)

turtledove says

Maybe I'm just in a mood today. Besides, today... I'm Anne Boleyn. So everyone just needs to STFU and give me my due respect ;)

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! KISSASS OR DIE PEASANTS!

It's good to be the queen.

Look I'm just asking questions too. Anyone that denies the possibility of their being privacy issues here is being dishonest.
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The only thing that I have to compare these things to are civil cases. When my husband's ex took him to court for the umpteenth time, nothing seemed to be sacred. It didn't really matter, because it didn't really change the outcomes of her losing repeatedly... We were told not to delete anything during the discovery period, as it would could put us in contempt of court. So we didn't... Back in the day when we had a family email account that we both used (about as stupid as Hillary having her private/public email on the same server), I wasn't allowed the luxury of separating out my emails... it was a little embarrassing... Not harmful, but embarrassing. You know, in that kind of way where it makes perfect sense at the time with the person you are talking to, but sounds bad when someone else is reading it aloud, completely out of context.

turtledove says

That's why we ask questions. It's supposed to be a discussion.

It doesn't look much like a discussion to me these days. Regarding the HRC emails, the MSM has been correct about the warrant issue. On PatNet, the 'discussion' has been taken over by people salivating over the idea of HRC going to jail, and the speculation has been wide and incorrect.

There's been a lot written about the Hatch act and this incident.
Here's a snippet from this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/opinion/on-clinton-emails-did-the-fbi-director-abuse-his-power.html?_r=0, which was written by a Law Professor who filed a complaint. Reid is the only politician I see making a stink about it.

That is why, on Saturday, I filed a complaint against the F.B.I. with the Office of Special Counsel, which investigates Hatch Act violations, and with the Office of Government Ethics. I spent much of my career working on government and lawyers’ ethics, including as the chief White House ethics lawyer for George W. Bush. I never thought that the F.B.I. could be dragged into a political circus surrounding one of its investigations. Until this week.
(For the sake of full disclosure, in this election I have supported Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and Hillary Clinton for president, in that order.)

You guys do realize the law of the land isn't "Well what about that time so 'N so did something?!" don't you?

Comey has been consistently called to explain the status of the various investigations on Hillary Clinton by a Congressional Committee. In light of new evidence, he informed that committee. Hatch requires Intent; Comey has been constantly called in front of this Committee all year long. There is no intent here; everything else is a distraction.

It is more telling that Bush-era appointees, such as Richard Painter, who was the Chief Ethics Lawyer for the Bush Administration (hahahahahahha) is complaining about Hatch and Comey.

The desperation of the Establishment on Both Sides of the Aisle is something to consider.

Wow look at the Blue States that have laws where people can be bullied into changing their early votes.
It's a good thing these people can change their votes without being bullied into it this time.

Something else to consider. Elect Clinton now and good chance we get an evil and smart version of Trump in 4 years, in addition to a Republican congress. Elect Trupm and there's a chance for somebody decent next time.

FP says

Elect Trupm and there's a chance for somebody decent next time

Too bad about those intervening 4 years.

FP says

Something else to consider. Elect Clinton now and good chance we get an evil and smart version of Trump in 4 years, in addition to a Republican congress. Elect Trupm and there's a chance for somebody decent next time.

If Hillary wins, regardless of margine, the Reps and Dems at all levels will be doing everything possible to make sure only an Establishment Shill ever has a chance at the Presidency again. No more pretense of democracy - too dangerous. All loopholes will be identified and closed, candidates will be subject to restrictions and limitations such as the length of their party membership and having to have held party positions prior to running for office.

They'll also be rigging local and state party rules for Congressional and Senate races, too. And probably trying to figure out some kind of Official Fact Checking service to be tendentious with anti-Establishment claims, but very liberal and embracing of Establishment Claims.

President Barack Obama does not believe FBI Director James Comey is attempting to influence this year's presidential vote, Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Monday.

"The President doesn't believe that he's secretly strategizing to benefit one candidate or one political party," Earnest said. "He's in a tough spot, and he's the one who will be in a position to defend his actions in the face of significant criticism from a variety of legal experts, including individuals who served in senior Department of Justice positions in administrations led by presidents in both parties."

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Amid outcry about Comey's decision, Earnest called the FBI director a man of "integrity and good character."

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

FP says

Something else to consider. Elect Clinton now and good chance we get an evil and smart version of Trump in 4 years, in addition to a Republican congress. Elect Trupm and there's a chance for somebody decent next time.

If Hillary wins, regardless of margine, the Reps and Dems at all levels will be doing everything possible to make sure only an Establishment Shill ever has a chance at the Presidency again. No more pretense of democracy - too dangerous.

They're smarter than that. They know dictatorships don't work for long. They know too many people still believe the system sort of works. They rely on the appearance of democracy.
Instead they are likely to take a few steps in the other direction or give some welfare compensations to losers of globalization. Of course it will be mostly appearances, while they continue with their agenda in a stealthier way.

But the truth is that Hillary Clinton won't change in substance. And the establishment is made of people too busy pursuing purely personal interests to change. They probably all think that, individually, they don't matter so much and are just doing the same as everyone else. This means the country endures an other 4 yrs in the same direction, while problems unresolved for decades become steadily worse, and the country more becomes even more divided.

Some people will breath a sigh of relief if the Trump bullet is dodged. They shouldn't. Trump may well be just the start.

Heraclitusstudent says

But the truth is that Hillary Clinton won't change in substance. And the establishment is made of people too busy pursuing purely personal interests to change. They probably all think that, individually, they don't matter so much and are just doing the same as everyone else. This means the country endures an other 4 yrs in the same direction, while problems unresolved for decades become steadily worse, and the country more becomes even more divided.

Some people will breath a sigh of relief if the Trump bullet is dodged. They shouldn't. Trump may well be just the start.

Yes. There are many people in the "second or third echelon of insiderhood" just waiting to be the Podestas, McConnells, Reids, Braziles, SE Cupps, Ben Shapiros, and RIck Wilsons of tomorrow. They paid a lot of dues, and they'll be damned if they don't get their just, deserved reward for their years of hard work.

"Just 4 more years" as you say.

Let us hope this is "only" the death throes of the 5th/6th Party System and not something worse.

The main blame goes to the Democratic Party, who nominated the weakest, most divisive, most tainted candidate they could have possibly nominated.

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That any and every potential democrat voter isn't calling for the party to do away with the Superdelegates, is another major failure. That was their job. The only reason they exist is to save the party from low info voters picking the worst candidate.

Got dam neckbeard loosers in mommys basement

Heraclitusstudent says

What is known now is 100% her fault, and this is relevant information for the American public to judge her trustworthiness.

Absolutely. It's Karma/Poetic Justice/the Power of Kek that her attempts to circumvent archiving and FOIA requests to protect her political career, may end up killing her political career.

To add to your #3 remark, this is the same person that the Clintons backed for office in NY several times. Bad Judgement!

errc says

That any and every potential democrat voter isn't calling for the party to do away with the Superdelegates, is another major failure. That was their job. The only reason they exist is to save the party from low info voters picking the worst candidate.

High Energy observation.

This goes back to the "I gotta get mine, I paid my dues into the system" thing. A Bernie Admin wouldn't be so into corporate cash, recommenations for high salary posts at think tanks, revolving doors and Goldman Sachs positions, etc.

That's how it is done. It broke, we can't stop it now, so let's get control of it and then find that nothing bad was done, move along, nothing to see here...

Ironman says

This is so blatantly corrupt and outrageous that it simply cannot be allowed to stand.

Once again, they make it easy for the Russian propaganda zerohedge to undermine this nation.

MMR says

In addition to felonies, people who are on welfare should not be allowed to vote for the period of time that they are on welfare.

well this certainly came from left field

Five minutes after posting something insightful, you race back to drop this dud.

Ironman says

Obama issues record-breaking 214 commutations of Criminals

Not surprised.

Trump has had a long career of lyin' his ass off to con people out of their money. I'm sure it's second nature to him at this point.
Maybe affairs were his gateway drug.
Or maybe it was lying about his bad foot to get out of service.
Or maybe it was lying to black people who applied to be tenants.
Or maybe...
fuck it you get the picture.

Trump is a fascist divider. That is, sorry to say, worse than greed and corruption.

Murray Rothbard said you have the right to starve your children. Trump read 'starve" as "rape". Other than that, Trump is a Rothbard follower.

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Turns out the FBI itself had a narrow warrant just for the interstate (the suspected underage was in NC) sex chat. But they could look at all the metadata, and based on that decided there was something there worth getting a warrant for. 650,000 emails.

How many times has the director of the FBI sent a letter to congress about an investigation being opened based on metadata being worth getting a warrant for?

bob2356 says

How many times has the director of the FBI sent a letter to congress about an investigation being opened based on metadata being worth getting a warrant for?

Well, Lynch thought it was compelling enough to give Comey permission. Obama defended Comey's integrity today. So there you go.

This committee rode Comey's ass like a rodeo star on this investigation, keeping him and questioning him for hours over and over and over again, so informing them of a major change in status is hardly surprising. Note he resisted several calls to reopen the email investigation (as recently as September 28th) until these new Weiner emails showed up, and even then delayed until there was enough that ignoring it was not an option.

Hillary's getting a her final lesson in honesty. By embracing the leak and correctly pointing it he only takes advantage of the laws promulgated by lifelong Politicos like Hillary, he's now immune.

www.youtube.com/embed/R4gOIt-M02A

i actually started to listen to that, and i hate the joel. fucking pretentious "black & white photo" kind of a guy.

but it is quite funny when thinking of hillary's track record.

this will be the first liberal tears thread.

seems to be at odds with natural gas. "fuel" is broad.

also, the heat lasted longer this year, china put a cap on coal and is now in a shortage, some other bullshit

Obama's mandate was to represent the interests of the people who elected him. He betrayed them. If elected officials do not do what they are voted for, democracy is not working.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable"
JFK

landtof says

but it is quite funny when thinking of hillary's track record.

Surprised to see you posting. Is your daughter on her period?

Unless you are an inbred low-information dipshit, Hillary's track record is not one of corruption.

Did you make it this far, Cletus? Sound out the words again, you stupid genital wart.

HydroCabron says

Surprised to see you posting. Is your daughter on her period?

Unless you are an inbred low-information dipshit, Hillary's track record is not one of corruption.

Did you make it this far, Cletus? Sound out the words again, you stupid genital wart.

oh, hi guy. where ya been? waiting for your talking points? ooh, yeah, sheesh - there aren't gonna be any today... or tomorrow.

you're employer is in a bit of a pinch right now, but they'll get back to you as soon as possible.

hang in there sport, there's always fraud.

Huma will be found impaled on a Weiner's deceased weener, in what will be deemed a dual-suicide.

Each will have a gunshot wound to the back of their head.

A suicide note will be left behind signed in blood.

Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" will be playing on their stereo on continuous loop when police arrive on scene.

Hillary's pubes will be found all over the carpet and furniture, but law enforcement will deem it coincidental.

Anthony will commit suicide by shooting himself in the back with a long barrel shotgun.

Huma will be delivered bound and gagged in a cage to Goldman Sachs, to be used at their pleasure indefinitely, than discreetly disposed of.