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FP says

Apparently burning the flag it is not a litmus test for personal freedom.

It doesn't have to be. It is still a major factor in how free a country is.

A country whose government uses violence and the threat of violence to stop people from burning symbols of state power is not a country that is free. Such an assault against liberty is far more Unamerican than communism ever was. It is antithetical to all of western philosophy.

Anyone who would have the government stop people from burning flags is neither brave nor free. Such a person is also unpatriotic. Real patriotism is supporting your countrymen against the government. Rebellion is patriotic. This country was founded on rebellion. If you aren't a rebel, you aren't a real American.

This is damning evidence...

Tenpoundbass says

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/29/flashback-sen-hillary-clinton-files-bill-punishing-flag-burners-one-year-jail/

President-elect Donald Trump isn’t the first person to propose punishment for burning the American flag. Consider theFlag Protection Act of 2005, co-sponsored by then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D.-N.Y.).

"This is damning evidence..."

Yep, it shows that Trump is no different than any other politician of the last 20 years.

It's amazing how everyone continues to redirect the conversation to Clinton rather than face up to the fact that they were sold a bill of goods by Trump.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Sanders and Warren don't have much power NOW,

They are still members of the Big Club.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

No hypocrisy by liberals, just leftist and rightist conservatives.

It is legal and protected speech to burn either. Either can, but is not necessarily, hate speech. The later is more likely hate speech as it is directed against people whereas flag burning is typically directed at governments if done by their own citizens. Flag burning of other nations is far more likely to be actual hate speech. But in either case, it's legally protected speech. Yes, you can express hate and sometimes it's appropriate.

The left is hypocritical whenever they attempt to outlaw burning of the Quran. The right is hypocritical whenever they attempt to outlaw burning of the flag. The right has burned many books including religious books.

The burning of books, even "bad" books, is more repugnant since you are borderline trying to suppress the debate of ideas, whereas the burning of flags is typically a condemnation of a government and its recent actions. So the two acts aren't equivalent in their message. But still, both messages are protected speech.

Personally I don't think that flag burning actually accomplishes anything. It's just an outcry of rage against a government, but that's exactly why governments seek to ban it. Governments don't like any expression of condemnation directed at them. And that's why it's important that flag burning be protected as a sacred right.

Despite being an ineffective message, because flag burning is a condemnation of one's own government, it is ironically far more patriotic than flag waving. Real patriotism is opposing your government in order to protect your countrymen.

Ironman says

It's amazing that if Clinton says/does something = GOOD

If Trump says/does the exact SAME thing = BAD

And if Melania says something, then Michelle said the exact same thing earlier.

Trump made his Treasury pick in July. This wasn't a hidden surprise!

http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/here-is-who-donald-trump-wants-for-treasury-secretary/

"Sell Everything" - RBS on Jan 11
Returns since...
Oil: +50%
EM: +21%
S&P 500: +17%
US High Yield: +13%
$RBS: -41%
Long Volatility: -72%

The Visuals right now for the Democrats stink:

* Record DOW highs
* Strong Dollar
* Carrier Jobs saved

* Snotty college kids burning flags
* Whinging and Recounts
* Re-electing Old Guard Insider and Perennial Failures like Nancy Pelosi, discussing Black Muslims as DNC Chairs.

Clinton called and conceded on election night. Who isn't recognizing it?

joeyjojojunior says

Clinton called and conceded on election night. Who isn't recognizing it?

Thoughtful decisions and whisky don't necessarily go hand in hand...

Logan Mohtashami says

"Sell Everything" - RBS on Jan 11

Ranina ranina says

"Sell Everything" - RBS on Jan 11

All RBS needed to do is change "everything" to RBS ... it would have been one of the best calls of the year

The behavior of people back in January ..... whistle ... so people are just naturally skittish

It's the Liberals fault for them expecting every Libtard in the world move to a Blue City and live in a snowglobe above the Starbucks.

They forgot to leave some voters where it counts. These retarded bastards honestly think they can win election on population in one city alone.

Ironman says

Clinton supporters need to quit whining about the Electoral College

For once I agree with Ironman, Democrats are leaving an openings that might bite them back in 2020

Ironman says

Clinton’s 2.3-million-popular-vote plurality over Trump depends on the votes in a single state: California. Clinton has more than a 4-million-vote plurality over Trump there.

And a lot of these were illegal aliens voting.

Ironman says

“A great deal of fear, sadness, and anger among students, faculty, and staff resulted, especially for those that gather in the [office space],” Chamber asserted. “The message was hateful and harmful toward members of our community. It violated every value that this institution considers to be at its core.”

These people get paid a salary???

"And a lot of these were illegal aliens voting."

Then you should welcome the recounts! We'll find lots of illegal votes there, right?

"Are they recounting California?"

Not that I'm aware of.

joeyjojojunior says

"And a lot of these were illegal aliens voting."

Then you should welcome the recounts! We'll find lots of illegal votes there, right?

Waste of time and money. Wont change the results.

"Waste of time and money. Wont change the results."

I agree, except I'm curious to see if we find hundreds of thousands of illegals voting as Trump suggests.

"When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election."

So, your contention is that it shouldn't be one person/one vote. Instead it should be 1 square mile/1 vote? Or something along those lines?

People who live in higher density areas vote doesn't mean as much as someone who lives in North Dakota? That's your theory?

How undemocratic of you.

That orange anti-semite appointed another Jew! Worlds collide!

And the problem is?

lol. Looking forward to hearing how this is Trumpsplained.

Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif called President-elect USA Donald Trump and felicitated him on his victory. President Trump said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif you have a very good reputation. You are a terrific guy. You are doing amazing work which is visible in every way. I am looking forward to see you soon. As I am talking to you Prime Minister, I feel I am talking to a person I have known for long. Your country is amazing with tremendous opportunities. Pakistanis are one of the most intelligent people. I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems. It will be an honor and I will personally do it. Feel free to call me any time even before 20th January that is before I assume my office.

On being invited to visit Pakistan by the prime minister, Mr. Trump said that he would love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people. Please convey to the Pakistani people that they are amazing and all Pakistanis I have known are exceptional people, said Mr. Donald Trump.

Sounds like a bunch of generically complimentary Trumpisms.

HORRIBLE! UNPRESIDENTIAL! ORANGE DOUCHE!!! CALLING GENERIC POPULATION FANTASTIC COULD LEAD TO WW3! INDIA APPALLED!

This is the great Trumpligula's campaign of studied confusion. What a penetrating insight.

I don't get the problem. So he called Pakistanis intelligent. And?

Lefties. If he calls them and bites their head off-he is deranged. if he calls and talks diplomatically-he is deranged. I think he will win the 2nd term very easily-maybe the lefties might get out of their SJW mentality.

We are lucky to have a President who is finally entirely incapable of feeling shame or embarrassment and will act out accordingly. It will be grand spectacle, with Larry and Curly Joe from GoldieSacks.

rando says

I don't get the problem. So he called Pakistanis intelligent. And?

Don't you understand, he schmoozed the Pakistanis like the Salesman he is! Schmoozed them! When he should haughtily lecture them like a real leader, like Obama, Hillary, or Merkel.

lostand confused says

I think he will win the 2nd term very easily

LOL. How about seeing how he does after he is actually inaugurated before you make such predictions.

Reminds me of how the cons gushed over Schwarzenegger, wanting to change the Constitution so he could run for President, all before he was sworn into office.

Here's Trump's stance pre-election:

On Jan. 17 of that year, he wrote: “Get it straight: Pakistan is not our friend. We’ve given them billions and billions of dollars, and what did we get? Betrayal and disrespect — and much worse. #TimeToGetTough”

Trump has also spoken highly of Pakistan's archrival, India. During his campaign, he courted the Hindu-American vote, and said that in a Trump presidency, India and the United States would be “best friends.”

“There won’t be any relationship more important to us,” Trump said in Edison, N.J., at a rally organized by self-described Indian nationalists.

Here's some info on the guy who Trump was felating:

Sharif, the Pakistani prime minister, is markedly less loved in his country than Trump's praise would make it seem. He is dogged by allegations of corruption, and the release of the Panama Papers last summer appeared to confirm many Pakistanis' suspicions. He is being investigated for conflicts of interest stemming from four luxurious apartments occupied by members of his family in London, and has vowed to step down if found guilty of siphoning funds.

Yawn

Ah HA! Trump is breating!

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

President Trump said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif you have a very good reputation. You are a terrific guy. You are doing amazing work which is visible in every way. I am looking forward to see you soon. As I am talking to you Prime Minister, I feel I am talking to a person I have known for long. Your country is amazing with tremendous opportunities. Pakistanis are one of the most intelligent people. I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems. It will be an honor and I will personally do it. Feel free to call me any time even before 20th January that is before I assume my office.

Sounds like the kind of amiable empty guff every salesman will tell you before trying to screw you over.

finehoe says

LOL. How about seeing how he does after he is actually inaugurated before you make such predictions.

You only have to be better than your opposition. if you get someone on the left who talks policy, provides solution-even I will vote for them. But if all you have is behaving like an SJW-well.