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zetabeos1 says

A very interesting article…posted by Patrick Online database lists salaries of more than 134,000 workers across Bay Area and beyond Grown during better times, public paychecks stick out during lean years. Who are the FAT CATS now!

Apparently, Patrick is one of them ;p

REGISTRATION OF DOCTORS 2004 21,003 2005 16,634 2006 17,064 2007 15,517 This is information is from the Indian Medical Register at the Medical Council of India website http://www.mciindia.org/ as pulled out of my ass. Registration is what we would call licensing. The Indian Medical Council is the governing body for Indian medical schools. As in (major dirty word) licensing, although they call it recognition. Interesting reading for the intellectually curious. The demagogues can just look at the pretty pictures I guess.

" there is a strict limit on of 18,000 on licensing (graduation) " I didn't find this anywhere ...where did you get this if not from your ass. BTW, it takes just 5 years after high school in india to become a doctor (primary care) and i have found one of the best pimary care physicians in india.

I misspoke, the limits change year to year. You don't become a doctor in India in 5 years. You become a MBBS roughly equivalent to a masters degree. You also have to take 2 years of medical school courses in high school leading into medical school. After your MBBS you go on to post graduate courses. It's an additional 3 year course to an MD degree. If you want to specialize, such as surgery, there is an additional 3 years after that.

Just wait until NUMMI closes in March 2010. 4,600 direct jobs + 95,000 indirect but related jobs - GONE! Fremont and East Bay prices will see some more serious downward pressure coming soon. Any valuation today will be even lower next spring.

You don’t become a doctor in India in 5 years. You become a MBBS roughly equivalent to a masters degree. You also have to take 2 years of medical school courses in high school leading into medical school. After your MBBS you go on to post graduate courses. It’s an additional 3 year course to an MD degree. If you want to specialize, such as surgery, there is an additional 3 years after that. Dude i studied high school in india...To be qualified to prescribe medicines ( general physician -> MBBS), you need 12 years (elementary to high school) + 5.5 years (medical school) in INDIA ..period ! MD is for specialization. 2 years of medical school courses in high school is just biology, zoology and botany and is part of 10+2 curriculam. kids who want to do engineering take math, physics and chemistry during those years. The reason costs are high in US are due to pseudo- free market in health care. its worst of socialism + worst of capitalism. Supply side is screwed : doctors ( limited supply), equipment ( monopolies , long patents), drug monopolies.. demand side is screwed : patients are price insensitive ( due to third party payment) . If patients are price sensitive they will go to better HOSPITALS which have good credibility and give good care for less money. I thought price sensitivity of consumer is the backbone of a free market. when free market does not work..then obviously you have wastage and in-efficiency ( remember soviet union) The real fix is : 1. ease licencing and make it industry regulated. training should be based on market demand.kick out AMA lobby 2. ban all insurance except catastrophic medical insurance ( that too with 10% deductible which caps at 3X annual salary).This will get free market working for everything except catastrophies.It will also reduce admistrative costs.For people who are intellectually challenged, catastrophic medical insurance means insurance which also covers big ticket emergencies ( including accidents ...duh) 3. ban liability insurance and limit financial damages awarded to patients to 3X ( some number) the doctors annual salary.liability insurance defeats the purpose of creating fear in doctors against malpractice. 4. Reduce patent time period from 20 years to 10 ( like japan)..i am throwing a number but the time period should be just enough to motivate people to innovate and not long enough to be rent seeking. 5) Use the global supply of cheap skilled labor ( doctors)..create H1B's for doctors... we are using cheap labor everyplace. goods ( remote labor in china), engineering ( H1B's from india, china..etc), labor jobs ( cleaning, farming, construction) done mostly by illegals...etc, medicine has not opened up to cheap global supply of skilled labor which makes the service expensive RELATIVE to other services. If all the services were protected and were expensive : house cleaners getting 50k/year, engineering jobs $300k/year , auto jobs 100K/year, doctors salaries would look normal.

I like Some Guy's response. Short, and totally to the point.

Kudlow is a perma-bullsh*t artist who's always filly his oats and he's hot to trot to stirrup hopeful information but he's gone totally hay-wire. There's too much manure spreading when he piles it on. His sanity has left the barn, it behooves me to say. He should be given the boot since he's a heel who's hell bent for leather and never wants to pony up. That's my mane complaint. Give him no quarter because he tells too many tails and has lost track. He actually spooks me. Is he a friend or foal? Whoa, please spur me the drama.

heah, I believe this guy

In 1987 Kudlow was rehired by Bear, Stearns & Company as their chief economist and senior managing director. He was fired in 1994 after his drug use resulted in him missing an important client presentation.

Yea, the biggest problem for realwhores is that appraisers are using comps of actual sales, including short sales. Realwhores say that those aren't true comps, that they drive down the values.

This is a loaded topic. Shoot, I really don't care for a woman of this caliber. She needs to get the lead out. She's all pistol and vinegar and her aim is off. She should down a few Colt 45's, get hammered and take a powder. That would be a blast.

I'm considering a bid on a short sale in my area and would appreciate any advice and/or suggested strategies to expedite the process.

Will the RE listing agent, the mortgage servicing bank or the investor announce the appraisal value?

Will the RE listing price typically be at, above or below the appraisal value?

Should I bid at the asking price? Higher or lower?

Regards

Ray

Ray, your best bet is to research all of the comps, that is comparable sales, in your area. Size of home, year built, size of yard if applicable, amenities. These should all be looked at. You can find this info using zillow.com or redfin.com and their maps that can show you houses sold. This info will give you the basis of where your offer should be.

In the very small neighborhood I have my eye on, asking prices are all over the place. Some much higher than what they should be, some much lower (Usefull to create a bidding war), and some actually spot on.

As to the appraisal, the appraiser may not be familiar with the area due to new rules about appraisals. As such, the appraisal may come in higher, lower, or at the asking price.

I don't know if the appraisal will be shown to you as I haven't made it that far in the process yet. Be ready for a very long wait, lots of discouragment, and most likely your offer getting refused or not hearing from the selling agent at all. Things are terrible out here for anyone who isn't buying cash.

I have been a prospective buyer ever since I started reading the forums. This site has provided alot of information that helped me understand where the market should be for me to buy and how I can know when that time is. Its not there yet. Maybe next year.

I know, that's why I am still out. Prices are still too high, sellers and buyers still too crazy.

Prices are still too high, and the market is being blatantly manipulated. Artificial scarcity and a rush of demand due to temporarily low rates and an insulting $8000 buyers bribe. Let the fools pay $30k extra for their $8k bribes. I will have no part in it. I'll buy when it resembles a free market with reasonable prices.

As far as waiting, and being perfectly positioned for your dream home is just Patrick.net fantasy mantra…..always has been…always will be ----Well if you think Patrick.net is "fantasy mantra," why are you on his site?

Bap, I hope you don't mean I should move along. I am with Patrick's thinking. Oh yeah and my realtor told me that bank owned homes/property is taking longer to come on the market and the banks "are so backed up" and that it is taking longer to list them.

Ditto, to what Tude said. I am waiting for the economic collapse to happen when China will stop giving the US money. We will really hit a high unemployment rate then. At that point, houses will sell for next to nothing, only a matter of time. On top of that, I heard that China is buying 93 billion worth of gold. Most Americans turn a blind eye to what China is thinking and doing but the shit will hit the fan in a few years, maybe even sooner. I can't believe China hasn't pulled the plug yet because the US is a deadbeat nation that doesn't pay its bills.

nowhere but up from here says

Yahhhhhoooooooo…..thats what we did and “PAYDAY” baby…..house was gone in less than 2 weeks + 50K over asking price…..”can you smell what the Rock is cooking”…..and more NEW YORK (TheStreet) — Stocks moved slightly to the upside early Wednesday after a sharp increase in mortgage activity, ahead of another checkup on the U.S. economy, this one region by region. Meanwhile, the Mortgage Bankers Association said early Wednesday that its seasonally adjusted index of mortgage applications, including both purchase and refinance loans, increased 17% to 648.3 for the week ended Sept 4. That’s its highest level since May. I know things are bad but damn…..between the market, the house sold, all rentals full…all distressed homes for sale sold in my area and appreciating….it’s better now than in ‘07

Why did you sell your house if homes are appreciating?

Some Guy says

gloating when you make money in the market

How about these "PAYDAY" gloats: Homedebtors gloating about simply stopping mortgage payments and living free for two years Tenants gloating about simply stopping rent payments and living free for an extended period since the local sherriff has a "no evict" policy Of course, most of that gloating will be past tense, as not to endanger thier schemes.

Anyone like "nowhere but up from here" that comes on this board spouting his nonsense needs to get a life if they think an opinion that illogical will be agreed with here. On second thought, you know what, hell....after reading his crap, I changed my mind - he is right - nowhere but up from here. Sure - ya think we are THAT stupid, huh? Check the date 09/09/09 - lets meet back here in one year and you can tell me how much "homes" have appreciated (and call them what they are - they are houses - fuck you for trying to tie an emotional connection to a dwelling by overuse of the word home). With rates still in the 5% range, we are still down for the year. Any seasonal uptick that was had will evaporate before the year is over. There are too many houses vs. qualified buyers and unemployment is still going lower. My father in law who is a real estate broker told me the other day that ALL of his clients from the past 20 years have been refinanced into something less than 6%. There is nothing left for a broker to do but to hope for future sales or house prices to increase so people can run the equity pull-out game again...only to be refinanced again (cha ching - another broker fee). There is plenty of space for prices to go lower.

nowhere but up... please eat shit. I hope your "homes" sink you into financial ruin like the millions of people out there that have learned what a b.s. market this is.

Fuck buying. It's not worth to be enslaved for 30 yrs. I'm renting and enjoying my beach view rental home for one third the PITI price.

Same here, I have been patiently waiting, but the list prices are not even close to 2006 prices yet in my area sunnyvale/MV. Unfortunately, they think the recovery already started and they are entitled to NAR's bullshit appreciation of 10% YoY. I guess, my wait will continue for couple more years, I am in no hurry, but it is really frustrating.

Bap33 says

just some dreamer REwhore blowing smoke. Move along, nothing to see here ….

Agreed - Most likely lives in his mother's basement, surrounded by pictures of Sarah Palin.

I left California and sold my overpriced house in Long Beach Summer of 07 for $695K. I bought the same size house in Wisconsin for $155K. But even now, I am starting to get that worried feeling again, that I may still lose. Nothing is selling around here even thought house prices and rents are a wash. As CCR sings, I see a bad moon rising. don thelittleguylobby.org Gotham, WI

Think of the upside for having "nowhere's" faith: Knowing that house prices will rise, one could buy up (using OPM, naturally) all the real estate one could afford. Big payday in that future. Could also co-sign mortgage loans, with the idea of sharing in the profit when sold. No risk!

Now that the Beatles are in the news, I can't resist: He's a Real Nowhere Man Pushing Out His Nowhere Plan Sounding Like a Realtor's Scam Fooling Nobody Has a Realtor's point of View Forgets Who He's Talking To Isn't he a bit like Bern-na-kee

Analagous to "big penis" braggers, the ones with an actual pot to piss in don't feel a need to waste their time gloating.

I read this blog almost everyday, 2 years now. To day I registered so that folks don't have to read the comment from cashmonger because of It's language. Lot of folks come to this forum. Lets keep them coming back! No offense, this site needs some type of validation before posting comments.

Dizzy, I apologize if the word penis offends you - it was simply an attempt at humor and in my mind the analogy works. Honestly, who really has it in them to drop into a forum each evening with perpetually clinched cheeks? Oh wait, there goes another questionable reference... With a smile on my face here, I'd suggest lightening up a bit. In the meantime I'll try to find other ways to lighten the mood.

There is a basic moderation filter, but I kept cutting it back because too many things were getting into moderation. But maybe I should make it a bit more restrictive. Please email me words that you think should cause a comment to get into moderation. Another approach is to automatically replace them with an inoffensive word. Could do that too.

nowhere but up from here says

Wait…wait…..WAIT!!!! Have I EVER argued over what got us here, what’s right and wrong with the system, morality…..your parents should have taught you better…..NO. I’m not siding with the government, banks, society as it is. I’m not advocating Blue or Red, God or not. What I am saying is… (A) I’ve made a lot of money in the stock market….good, bad or otherwise. (B) I sold one home in two weeks for 50K over asking…..signed, sealed and delivered. (C) All my rentals are full, paying exactly what I have always asked for them, and are usually rented before the prior occupants leave. What the HELL do you want me to tell you….that’s just what is going on. Right/Wrong or otherwise…and BTW….there are a dozen buyers for every home that comes up in the AREA….I can’t explain it…where did all the credit and money come from. Bubble….sure, America screwed…sure. I’m sorry the world isn’t spinning they way you guys want……but maybe it never did. Some people work hard, take calculated risks and WIN…..part of being an AMERICAN in my book. The rest……all whining and chickenshit. End of Statement

It would help us understand your point better if you could tell two things: Where is the house you sold (zip code)? Was the asking price comparable to what other houses were selling for? Did you put a lower asking price to get more people interested? It is impossible to relate your claim to what market is doing if we have to use too many assumptions. The best case scenario would be to give us the actual address so people can verify your claim.

nowhere but up from here says

Wait…wait…..WAIT!!!! Have I EVER argued over what got us here, what’s right and wrong with the system, morality…..your parents should have taught you better…..NO. I’m not siding with the government, banks, society as it is. I’m not advocating Blue or Red, God or not. What I am saying is… (A) I’ve made a lot of money in the stock market….good, bad or otherwise. (B) I sold one home in two weeks for 50K over asking…..signed, sealed and delivered. (C) All my rentals are full, paying exactly what I have always asked for them, and are usually rented before the prior occupants leave. What the HELL do you want me to tell you….that’s just what is going on. Right/Wrong or otherwise…and BTW….there are a dozen buyers for every home that comes up in the AREA….I can’t explain it…where did all the credit and money come from. Bubble….sure, America screwed…sure. I’m sorry the world isn’t spinning they way you guys want……but maybe it never did. Some people work hard, take calculated risks and WIN…..part of being an AMERICAN in my book. The rest……all whining and chickenshit. End of Statement

What are you looking for Nowhere? You keep posting how you are great, brilliant, rich, pretty much the best investor ever. We get it. What is your point? Bring information to the table. You keep saying you sold a house for $50k over asking. That in itself means nothing. If you are in an area where homes sell for $500k right now (previously selling for $700k) and you list it for $450k and get your $500k, then you didn't do anything special. I could list one of my properties tomorrow and get several hundred $K over asking if my asking is $1.

camping says

You keep posting how you are great, brilliant, rich, pretty much the best investor ever. We get it. What is your point? Bring information to the table.

Actually if he is so eager to tell his success story, including bank account, he should publish his zipcode here and price range of his real estate investments, so that we can verify it.

facts are facts..just because we think otherwise doesn't change anything. even though i am not fully in agreement with nowhere_to_go_but_up, i support his observation that there is lot of demand at the lower end housing by investors. there are places where rents are more than 30 years fixed mortgages + expenses, when was the last time these kind of oppurtunities came by ? ( i am sounding like a radio commercial !) ...i seriously think that +ve cash flow oppurtunities are very hard to find in general...no wonder investors are snapping the +ve cash flow homes fast. In bay area, its a different ball game in most areas. We might be debating here for a perfect world but real world is diffferent. In a perfect world, the govt will not prop up prices by buying treasury bonds and lowering interest rates and we won't have prop8. we won't have real estate agents and NAR filing the media up lies and we won't have govt subsidizing bank loans by giving tax break on interest ! But in real world, we live in a democracy with lot of factors playing in. Housing cannot go low too fast because its too painful for the masses. They would prefer a propped up housing than go through the correction and thier voices ( majority) win in a democracy by design.The average IQ of a common man does not give enough reasoning power for the average joe to comprehend the long term problem with the debt's that we are taking on ( propping homes). Given the fact that govt ( voice of majority) will not allow the housing market to collapse..and that govt will keep the housing up ( low interest rate), will you accept the real facts and do your calculation OR would you keep strolling in your perfect imaginary world and keep waiting for something which won't happen ?

Cash flows get crimped due to delinquencies, property values and foreclosures causing the global economy to limp through difficult times. Financing of properties is going through a huge restructuring process and the pricing should readjust to the new trends affordable by people. This transition is causing a lot of industries and job sectors to be totally wiped out. Due to various disconnects in the industrial chain, job markets in various segments are drown, property owners are sunk in debts and lenders are skeptical to lend and bail out people from the difficult situation. The income to afford to repay loans is declining highly. Only when the restructuring gets stable and the pricing reconciles and reaches an acceptable and affordable level, the industry is expected to recover. With the housing market in great trouble, moderately-priced apartments have become the core buy. Lenders must force the troubled owners to become good sellers. Government intervention introducing systematic overhaul measures to reduce foreclosures can also help recover the situation. With the current situation, stringent lending practises and the weak economic situation is continuing the drain the buyers from affording to buy their own homes. Hence, the housing condition is at a risk where quick fix may not be easily expected. This is a great opportunity for cash-rich buyers who are the main beneficiaries of this financial crisis. They can take advantage of the weak dollar value and buy properties in busy cities and centrally located areas. Read More: http://www.housingnewslive.com

There are two types of smart people. unfortunately , too much unnatural study makes a lot of smart people disconnected from reality and base thier modelling of world on too many imaginary concepts ignoring the hard evidence. Anytime, your theory is invalidated by real evidence ( or common sense), you should trust the real evidence and check your theory. Common sense was thrown out of the window when housing was going up like crazy and derivatives became the order of the day. Now common sense is again thrown out when homes are so cheap in some areas. People will always come up with wierd explanations. US is already in deep shit and we have seen the bottom, if you can get a +ve cash flow house today , i bet it will be +ve 10 years later as well. BTW, i am not talking about abnormal places ( like flint, michigan) here. Street smart : smart people who start there thinking process based on a real world. Academically smart : smart people and think based on an imaginary world. guess who wins in the real world ?