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I thought curious2 did give a specific answer.

FortWayne says

left and conservatives are the opposite. Yeah Dan, way to go get yourself confused.

Hardly. The left and the right are just different conservative tribes. They still hold the same tenets like using the state to enforce a culture onto the general population. See Leftists and Social Justice Warriors are Conservatives for details. I'll draw you a picture to make it easy for you to understand.

Liberals are orthogonal to the left-right line, and politics has more than one dimension. The conservative right has more in common with the conservative left, communism, and Islamsim than any of those things have in common with liberalism. We liberals reject all conservative tribes regardless of your culture. Meanwhile, each of you conservative tribes fight each other and call each other liberals. An Islamist would call a right-wing conservative like you a liberal. So too would a communist living living in the 1960s Soviet Union.

If you are still confused, Fort Wayne, then let me know and I'll see if I can dumb it down even more with sock puppets.

Yes, I got this:

curious2 says

President Trump says many things, and he would benefit from an advisor who can remind him of when he got it right:

"Let [ISIL/Daesh] and Syria fight. And let Russia, they're in Syria already, let them fight [ISIL/Daesh.] Let Russia take care of ISIS. How many places can we be?

Let Russia deal with it.

Meanwhile, Europe pays the price ... and so does Russia.
Didn't they just have a train go boom?

Ironman says

My posts will then make a lot more sense.

Your posts have failed logic. It goes beyond problem that you are dealing with alternative facts.

Send a dozen of cruise missiles taking out whatever assets are most valuable for Assad. And one or two into his residence, of course. Just on general principle that use of chemical weapons should be punished. This is what Obama should've done the very first time the "red line" was crossed.

Obama continually pushed for ceasefires from Russia and Assad. With that gone the happy-fun-time weapons are back.

New shift from us is a mass deployment of ground troops to train up Syrian nationals to fight IS.

If it's me, I cruise missile me some responsible air bases. But I likely do it after pulling in some DDGs and other naval assets, and telling Putin and Assad, "do it again and we take further steps, which include strikes, against those responsible."

Similar play with China and N Korea. "We don't want to deploymisdile defense systems. We don't want to preemptively strike. How can you help us?"

But Trump is a big zero in diplomacy.

Rew says

If it's me...we take

Those would be acts of war by the United States against Syria, a country that has not even threatened us with acts of war in a very long time, maybe since the Barbary Wars ~200 years ago. (Some accuse Syria of involvement in Pan Am Flight 103, but America decided to blame Kadaffy, and besides the DEA had reportedly a role in weakening security on that flight, so that may have inhibited investigation.)

I propose a new rule regarding wars against countries that have neither attacked us nor threatened to do so. If people want to get involved in yet another foreign war, then let them pledge personally to pay for it and to serve in it. If corporations and foreign governments want it, then let them pledge money too. KSA and Turkey have been arming and financing "anyone who would fight against Assad," including al-Qaeda. The sum pledged and deposited becomes the total budget for the war proposal, and the Senate can decide whether to declare it. If the Senate declares it, then the President as commander-in-chief can decide whether to fight it, with the stipulation that the TOTAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE will be strictly limited to the budget and volunteers pledged personally by supporters. No borrowing, no conscription, and no tax increases for unnecessary wars.

That might shut up some of the sadists who get their rocks off by blasting other human beings apart and seeing the blood on TV.

YesYNot says

the real story remains Trump and the investigation of potential deals with Russia.

Nonsense.

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

I'm with curious, NOTHING (without arming the rebels) is the right policy here. Not criticizing Obummer for doing nothing (he got that right IMO even though he shouldn't have made the red line comment in the first place), but for arming the rebels.

jazz music says

Strategist says

You think people like them who have no ability to keep their wealth, have an ability to make wealth? No, they are doomed to perennial failure because the lack what it takes to be successful. Don't blame the capitalist system for the lack of common sense most people have.

Ehh, wealth can happen, so can poverty, illness, you feel wealthy, good for you: Start showing it instead of using it as a club to beat people. Make a difference.

Wealth doesn't just happen. It is created. Same goes for poverty. If you can't make it in America, try making it in Venezuela. Illness happens, you got something right.
Lazy Welfare recipients who are able bodied deserve to be criticized. You want to congratulate them?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Drop Rosie O'Donnell on ISIS.

Whoa easy here, never heard of the Geneva convention?

jazz music says

And if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Oh ninja puh-leeze

That's true.
We don't live in a Muslim country. A communist country. A dictatorship.
Everyone is equal in America and has the equal protection of the law.
Why do you think we are the number one destination for immigrants. Why deny you appreciate what you have that 80% of the world does not have.

This shit has got to stop.

Our broad surveillance net needs a public backlash. Too bad dems are distracted by their partisan narrative to care about enforcing limited govt power.

Dems today = repubs in 2006. Selling out our freedoms to the next administration because govt power creep pays off as long as we're in office. Its pure idiocy.

This story has just started to break.

jazz music says

Some of the best doctors I ever had have been muslims.

Some of the best doctors I ever had have been mexican. Great prices too. And they will actually take the time to talk to you. And give you the best treatment for what ails you instead of giving you best treatment that will protect them from a potential lawsuit, however ineffective it is.

What's next? The whole FBI investigating since like, I dunno, July?

It's almost as if there are security concerns around the Trump administration.

Rew says

What's next? The whole FBI investigating since like, I dunno, July?

It's almost as if there are security concerns around the Trump administration.

Yet nothing comes up. This whole thing was a ruse, to spy on trump. if proven-Obama is pure evil and the most dangerous President in our history.

Tim Aurora says

The Chinese government has granted preliminary approval for 35 Trump-related trademarks in businesses ranging from mining and construction to restaurants, hotels and golf courses.

Trump is making America great again by monetizing the office of the president of the United States. Now that's innovation. And he's created many jobs for his family members.

Obama still in French Tahiti.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/where-in-the-world-is-barack-obama/

He's staying until this blows over or doesn't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/fact-check-trump-syria-obama.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-strong-words-after-syria-attack--but-what-next/2017/04/05/d37064a4-19d3-11e7-8598-9a99da559f9e_story.html?utm_term=.aba84f67d0f0

I wonder if he will tweet that nobody knew this was so hard.

bob2356 says

Grab you socks son this is really going to hurt.

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape. Sounds like it stems from firsthand knowledge. It's certainly not funny, and I have a dismal view of anyone who would find child rape anything to laugh about.

Quigley says

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape.

Wow! You read that and thought of child rape? You better get some religion, son. You might be in need of some help walking the straight line. I'll try to remember not to bend over and touch my toes in public. You never know what someone like you will think.

Whatever Republicans do will be a failure.
WALL?
REPEAL?
BETTER & AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE?
JOBS?
35% TARIFFS?

One 5 time draft dodger can destroy the credibility of the Office of POTUS.
The gullible,failure,low paid,unemployed white men will regret their stupid votes.
WTF= WHITE TRASH FUCKERS!

This is impossible. Fake news! All white men love Trump whether they know it or not. Trump 2020! He's such a strong decider - a real man of action.

Trump will be the hottest selling action figure in 2017. They are working on the molds as we speak... in China.

Pennsylvania avenue has to be cleaned twice a day to hold back the flow of pussy juice from all of the tourists lining up for a quick grab.

Lol, those same polls showed he could never be elected!

Now wiretapping is OK, but its the Unmasking that matters.

Tell me the lawyers that ran the Obama admin aren't smart devils......

CBOEtrader says

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

True. The opposition party (which is indeed the MSM) still has nothing.

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there, which they can maintain with their control over mainstream headlines.

interesting. i was gonna liquidate a large CD later this month and dollar-cost average it into my vanguard index funds

What comes first, the investigation or the proof? The congressional investigation hasn't even really gotten started, because the process has been totally politicized. Nunes is not sharing evidence and holding up the hearings and Nunes/Trump want to focus on an accusation of a Democrat that they cannot prove (they cannot prove the intent). One Democrat (Schiff) is saying that there is direct evidence of collusion. Another (Castro) is saying (with nothing to back it up) that several people on team Trump might end up in Jail.
If a reasonable person would conclude that there was some evidence (but not necessarily proof) of collusion between Trump team and Russia, then the unmaskings were justified for national security reasons. The Dems and Repubs are not likely to agree on what a reasonable person would conclude, and nobody without top secret security clearance is going to get to see the evidence, so we'll never know whether Rice was justified or not.

CBOEtrader says

Our broad surveillance net needs a public backlash.

Continued Islamic murder of random Americans will ensure that the government will maintain nearly unlimited power to monitor everyone. And then the government will use that info for political purposes, of course. It's a pretty elegant system in a way, making terrorism useful to government.

But Trump is a wild card. He may well blow the cover off of massive public surveillance programs we have not even heard about yet. He cannot be counted on to play along or to shut the fuck up. Kind of amazing that our owners have not managed to get rid of him yet.

www.youtube.com/embed/RyQ1RoEotPk

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

Trump/ Russia is the story of treason. Leaking is a side story/distraction.

False equivalence. A felony leak occurred. The only question is who leaked? We also know Trump associates were unmasked in most uniquely biased circumstances, which deserves an investigation.

Trump/Russia is a conspiracy theory w no hard evidence. This is a distinct and obvious difference to anyone but the most partisan.

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

https://patrick.net/1304704/2017-04-04-problem-isnt-russian-meddling-in-our-election-the-problem-is-that-somebody-revealed-russian-meddling-in-our-election

Yawn.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence. At this point, either the Obama admin had hard evidence of Trump admin being a potential criminal threat to national security, or Rice broke the law.

All we now for certain is that a felony leak occurred. This leak does indeed look like a targeted political attack on Trump though. This is a potentially huge political scandal.

I own a Vanguard index fund and it does seem to track the S&P 500 pretty well, though not exactly:

rando says

True. The opposition party (which is indeed the MSM) still has nothing.

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there

Like Obama being born in kenya? I wonder what orange person spent years harping that story?

CBOEtrader says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence.

An army lt colonel is fox's expert? Seriously? Lt colonels aren't even water boys at this level of intelligence. Why didn't they ask the mail room boy also?

CBOEtrader says

Rice broke the law.

Which statute makes it illegal for the NSA to read intelligence reports and ask for the names to be unmasked? Just post the relevant section, not the entire statute.

Because trump says so doesn't count.

Tim Aurora says

You do not have a case

LOL! There is no case!

No Russian Conspiracy Theorist on this board has yet answered the question:

Why hasn't the DNC Turned over the Server for Forensic Examination by the country's counter-intelligence and Cybersecurity Agencies, backed by the best Cybersecurity Contractors, and their employees, in the world?

"The Russians hacked the election."
"What does that mean."
"uhh, umm... RT and Sputnik"
"Almost nobody, relative to the other major media outlets, watches that. And Der Spiegel, BBC, The Guardian, Le Monde, etc. etc. all aggressively pushed Hillary and have more reach. Too say nothing of the overwhelmingly negative coverage by almost every domestic outlet from ABC to NYT to MSNBC to WaPo"
"well I mean the DNC hack."
"Great, pressure the DNC over the server to the Government for Forensics and let's see if we can find a smoking gun."
"Well, uh, I oh, ummmm."

You know damn well why the DNC won't turn it over. There's probably a ton of shit on there that isn't on the up and up, Creamer Style, that could be recovered (even inadvertently. The DNC themselves don't trust the FBI, and they know already there isn't any conclusive evidence. They want to use "Russia done hacked the election" as a political club, the last thing they want to do is conclusively establish that the evidence is either inconclusive or even non-existent in an official investigation.

Yup.