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Deanrite, I, too, have been curious where my values and beliefs put me in the political spectrum. I do shy away from labels due to their limiting factors but curiosity led me to a few surveys though 'Tea Bagger' wasn't an option. I find myself to be just left of center and somewhat Libertarian.

Now I'll watch kentm's link and see if I'm a Tea Bag.

Looking at this video from DC tax day protest, I am NOT a Tea Bag

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/new-left-media-at-the-tax-day-tea-party-protests/

Other than a few areas, it turns out I am a Deanrite Party follower. About 85% match.

Bap33 says

Other than a few areas, it turns out I am a Deanrite Party follower. About 85% match.

Yeah, I'm like a 95% match. Deanrite for Prez!

Ha!

Well just elect me creator of the universe.

Any of you hear of the Coffee Party?

"A key difference is in our emphasis on the democratic process, on respectful and civil engagement with one another and with our elected officials. In the current climate, too many Americans are afraid to participate, and find the process itself too alienating, because it is dominated by people with extreme opinions and extreme tactics. It's hard to speak up when others in the room are screaming. So in the end, we may want some of the same things, but we our hoping our journey getting there will be very different."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Party_USA

Leigh says

Any of you hear of the Coffee Party?
“A key difference is in our emphasis on the democratic process, on respectful and civil engagement with one another and with our elected officials. In the current climate, too many Americans are afraid to participate, and find the process itself too alienating, because it is dominated by people with extreme opinions and extreme tactics. It’s hard to speak up when others in the room are screaming. So in the end, we may want some of the same things, but we our hoping our journey getting there will be very different.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Party_USA

Oh crap! Now Starbucks will put one on every corner! Oh, wait...

elliemae says

Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!

LOL! Sure, I don't get to Utah much though (at all... the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let's go out for drinks 'n such.

simchaland says

elliemae says
Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!
LOL! Sure, I don’t get to Utah much though (at all… the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let’s go out for drinks ‘n such.

Just amazing! Even in internet forums, every chick swoons over the gay dude. Completely off topic: what is it abuot gay dudes that makes straight chicks love them so much? A more difficult question: what is it about straight dudes, that makes lesbians hate them? I have never been able to figure that one out.

CBOEtrader says

simchaland says

elliemae says
Simcha - I think I love you! You can hang out in my crib anytime!
LOL! Sure, I don’t get to Utah much though (at all… the last time I was there was when I drove the 80 from Iowa to move here). If you come to visit your family, let’s go out for drinks ‘n such.

Just amazing! Even in internet forums, every chick swoons over the gay dude. Completely off topic: what is it abuot gay dudes that makes straight chicks love them so much? A more difficult question: what is it about straight dudes, that makes lesbians hate them? I have never been able to figure that one out.

It's not that he's gay that makes me swoon. It's that he caught some pretty obscure movie references (including the mention of the word "crib.)" That gets me every time. I love a man whose sense of humor goes to eleven.

I think that the stereotypical woman swoons over the stereotypical gay dude because he knows how to dress and is a sensitive man. But not every gay man knows how to dress or cares about being sensitive, nor is every woman attracted to every type of man.

IMHO some militant lesbians hate straight men - not all lesbians hate men. But my observations aren't based on personal info, because I live in a very sexually repressed area of the country where a gay man is welcome to be gay as long as he "acts like" a straight man - and a militant lesbian (or any lesbian) is welcome to be a militant lesbian as long as she doesn't act "militant" and doesn't act like a lesbian. All they have to do is act like they like the opposite sex and then we won't have to think about the abhorrent things that they do with people whose parts are like theirs.

Meanwhile, we still practice abhorrent stuff in our bedrooms, but we do it behind closed doors and with people of the opposite sex (or a couple of people?). In some communities, we do it with minor children who have been assigned as a second, third or fourth wife... But that's okay, because it's not with people whose parts are the same as ours.

FYI, most people in Utah do not practice polygamy nor do they believe in it. Polygamy was denounced by the church in the late 1800's or so because of political pressures. It's interesting to note (at least to me) that there's a church sponsored program called "evergreen" that helps homosexuals overcome abhorrent thoughts & behaviors. A friend of mine says it's the best place for him to pick up men...

http://www.evergreeninternational.org/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_would_the_Mormon_church_denounce_polygamy_if_the_Mormon_founders_taught_and_practiced_polygamy

Ha! Kookie Mormons. Why don't Mormons make love standing up? Because they're afraid someone will think they're dancing. Here at the holiday inn- all week.

for future reference, I am a male lesbian.

Tenouncetrout says

simchaland says

The pictures speak for themselves.

The pictures say people know how to use photo shop and take pictures.
They don’t tell me if they are true or not.
I remember after the Chinese Olympics people were posting pictures they got from a blog that got from Google, of signs of Mal worded signs, most of them were photo shop alters.
Again though note the first picture, the sign directly over his head.
Liberals are so far out of touch that you choose to group everyone as a whole based on a the outspoken, and not the silent angry ones that are obviously listening to this extreme right wing rhetoric. Why? Oh maybe they are taking their chances over the Extreme Left bipolarization that is going on in Washington.
Both Parties are Off their Meds, lets be perfectly clear here.
All I’m saying, you’re not going to win that other 80-90%, that aren’t racist ignorant inbreds over by calling them as such, while not at least acknowledging the follies of this administration. There’s no common ground other wise. This 2 party system you guys demanded, is poised to bite you in the ass.
NOW you want to call the other party a bunch of Nimka Poops.
Democracy making, sure is hard work ain’t it?

When is the last time you been to a liberal rally with such racist themes?

These were not one off incidents and cannot be overlooked as if the entire party is not a group of southern rebels who are on a white power movement. Fortunately for us they hide behind the rallys and dont take this behavior to the workplace or do they.....you think anyone of these people would hire a black, Jewish or Mexican?..I doubt they would. We need to ride America of this type of hatred.

kentm says

Are you a teabagger? I dunno, how do you respond to the following links?
TAX DAY TEA PARTY 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbyFeFhUTmI
Newt Gingrich: Tea Party Turning Into The ‘Militant’ Wing Of GOP
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/newt-gingrich-tea-party-t_n_548250.html
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/thepublicsquare/2009/11/11/authoritarianism-in-america/

The tea party is composed of the arch conservatives to the far right and the so-called rich (100k - 200k) business owners who have fooled themselves into thinking they are running at the same level as Goldman Sachs. For the members to be claiminig that there taxes have increased although the facts show different is a testament to their stupidity and hatred.

The Tea Party is about nothing more than the fear of a black president. Period.

4X says

When is the last time you been to a liberal rally with such racist themes?

These were not one off incidents and cannot be overlooked as if the entire party is not a group of southern rebels who are on a white power movement. Fortunately for us they hide behind the rallys and dont take this behavior to the workplace or do they…..you think anyone of these people would hire a black, Jewish or Mexican?..I doubt they would. We need to ride America of this type of hatred.

Brace your self Jr.

There's no solid proof in not one damn one of those photos that say exactly where they were taken.
I can't tell if they were taken by one Republican telling a Right winger to hold his beer while he took a pose, or if two Liberal revisionist made some nifty signs and out fits and went on a photo shoot.
They are pics taken from the internet.

As far as I know that's you in those pictures.

That's a good point. My guess is that the pictures were taken by aliens trying to pose as angry white Republicans. The ruse was well done--those aliens even misspelled some of the signs in the same way the redneck, racist, tea party activists would have. I need to find me some of those glasses that Roddy Piper wore...

And in this video of the protests in DC on tax day the librul media hired a bunch of actors to play stupid. Did you see this?!?!!?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/new-left-media-at-the-tax-day-tea-party-protests/

When questioned about their concerns the person would just rattle off a bunch of bumper sticker phrases. When the reporter mentioned that Obama has actually cut taxes for 95% of the population some would pause and then say "LIES".

You can't make some of this stuff up.

Do you think they found the most coherent ones to talk to?

You folks make GREAT subjects. You take anything you see as exactly as it's presented with out question.

While OBAMA and this administration LIES to you hourly and you don't question it once.

Tenouncetrout says

4X says

When is the last time you been to a liberal rally with such racist themes?
These were not one off incidents and cannot be overlooked as if the entire party is not a group of southern rebels who are on a white power movement. Fortunately for us they hide behind the rallys and dont take this behavior to the workplace or do they…..you think anyone of these people would hire a black, Jewish or Mexican?..I doubt they would. We need to ride America of this type of hatred.

Brace your self Jr.
There’s no solid proof in not one damn one of those photos that say exactly where they were taken.
I can’t tell if they were taken by one Republican telling a Right winger to hold his beer while he took a pose, or if two Liberal revisionist made some nifty signs and out fits and went on a photo shoot.
They are pics taken from the internet.
As far as I know that’s you in those pictures.

TOT .. excellant post .. and like most excellant posts that do not make the leftisits on PatNet feel warm and fuzzy, it will be ignored. Again, great point.

Question: Since the ILLEGAL immigration law in Az has been challenged by Mexico, are we racist conservos allowed to suggest that America's ILLEGAL immigration issue is also Mexican based?

Tenouncetrout says

Do you think they found the most coherent ones to talk to?

Do you think they had to look very hard to find these guys?

Some of my facebook friends will post things like, "they are taking away our freedoms," re: health care bill, or "insurance companies are the problem." So I take the opportunity to engage in conversation. I ask about their concerns and I ask about ideas for solutions.

You know what? I have yet to hear any concrete solutions. The closest I got was 'insurance companies need to be regulated." No details, ever. Just a lot of terms like 'socialism', 'taking away our rights'.

I'm an RN. I see healthcare in action 36hrs per week then there are my own personal experiences.

If folks think Glenn Beck et al have all the anwers then why can't they repeat them? Why can't Sarah Palin take the time to tell us how to get 'small government'? Where should we make the cuts.

Show me where I can find the answers the folks on the right think they have but aren't 'coherent' enough to elaborate.

So I'm searching Fox archives to find out what Glenn Beck offers for solutions and here is my 1st hit:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589808,00.html

I'm not sure of the references to NBC or MSNBC and I really don't get this whole rant. Anyone care to interpret?

And then I hear Beck compare health care reform to Flight 93 on 9/11, Pearl Harbor, Chamberlain meeting Hitler, and Hindenburg?!?!?

And then I hear the Rush Limbaugh threat, and I paraphrase, "I'll move to Costa Rica if this bill passes" where he will partake in their socialized medicine? Maybe the oxy is easier to get on the black market?

This is painful.

Yes Glen Beck is a super huge Douche only over shadowed by the news Commentary staff of NPR. Then a close third comes Rush.

Just so we're straight, on the hierarchy of Jibber Jab talking heads, of who, and who should not, be taken seriously.

When questioned about their concerns the person would just rattle off a bunch of bumper sticker phrases. When the reporter mentioned that Obama has actually cut taxes for 95% of the population some would pause and then say “LIES”.

Obama hasn't raised marginal taxes yet, but his campaign promise was that he wouldn't raise any taxes on those earning under $250k per year and he has. In fact, he promised a middle class tax CUT, didn't he? He also promised a "pay as we go" economic policy during his campaign. More lies. Shortly after taking office Obama raised cigarette taxes 150%, and the recently passed Obamacare bill raises numerous different taxes on people making under $250k. This short youtube video names them specifically http://ur.lc/irr . So it appears that the Tea Party folks are better informed than their detractors. The youtube video guy and Leigh's criticisms being typical case-in-point examples of this.

More importantly, the current deficit spending is too massive http://ur.lc/fkx to continue without tax increases. Tea Partiers instinctively know these deficits will lead to tax increases whereas their ill-informed detractors keep parrotting talking points about how Obama promised not to raise taxes... as if those promises mean anything given the realities of the deficit spending.

The Tea Party is about nothing more than the fear of a black president. Period.

Tiny, tiny little minds

Did you see this trailer for I.O.U.S.A?

http://www.iousathemovie.com/

Yes, we are screwed. And I think that documentary underestimates costs of war, VA/TriCare costs. It will take an increase in taxes AND massive budget cuts to get where we need to go.

So the tax increases in the middle class in the hc bill, are you speaking of the tanning bed tax?!?

"...and the recently passed Obamacare bill raises numerous different taxes on people making under $250k..."

Which taxes do you speak of?

When you speak of "Commentary on NPR" which shows do you speak of? News Hour with Jim Lehrer? Frontline?

Amazing that the middle class is paying less taxes than ever, yet some of them PERCEIVE that they have been raised? This is just sorting out those who cannot comprehend simple math. I got a bigger refund than ever before this year.

Vicente says

Amazing that the middle class is paying less taxes than ever, yet some of them PERCEIVE that they have been raised? This is just sorting out those who cannot comprehend simple math. I got a bigger refund than ever before this year.

When I had my interest on mortgage and property tax deduction on top of my child credit and child care deduction my federal income tax rate was 2.9% per Turbo Tax! And I ain't poor. Who the heck is paying for these wars, etc...oh, that's right, the federal credit card in action.

And in 2009 47% paid ZERO in Federal income tax!!! oh, but we are being taxed to death!

And this year, no federal tax on inheritance...let's see how that plays out in December!

ZippyDDoodah says

So it appears that the Tea Party folks are better informed than their detractors.

No, not so much. If you have to resort to tanning bed and cigarette taxes, then you don't have much to complain about. What I don't understand is where these Tea Party activists were during the Bush tenure? He inherited a balanced budget and then proceeded to put the country so far in debt that it will be almost impossible to dig out. Why the sudden anger?

Obama has managed to avert a depression and gotten the economy seemingly on the right path in ~ 1 year. He tried to get a commission formed to address the deficit but it was the Republicans that said no. What were they afraid of?

Which taxes do you speak of?

I named them in my post and referred you to others in the video. Can you read? Which "tax cuts" were you referring to, unless you're twisting "one time rebate" for some into something called tax cuts.

You come on here posting as if the Tea Partiers are a bunch of easily led dupes whereas you and others are so enlightened by lecturing them on the 'realities' of tax cuts, yet when it's pointed out to you that the Tea Partiers know very well the situation with regards to their concern over deficit spending and the taxes that will inevitably lead to (not including taxes already raised which were pointed out to you), you agree that the Tea Party has a legitimate gripe in their #1 concern - extreme deficit spending. So if you agree that the Tea Parties have it right on their single most important issue of concern, then on what basis are you claiming that they are wrong and misled as you have written upthread?

What I don’t understand is where these Tea Party activists were during the Bush tenure?

They were screaming over his spending policies. Do you have any evidence we/they weren't? It is simply a lie to assert that these same people were not pissed off over Bush's spending. However, Obama has taken a bad situation and made it 10x WORSE http://ur.lc/fkx , and that's after Obama campaigned promising a "pay as we go" "net spending cut" economic policy. That Obama took such sweeping big spending actions just 3 or 4 months after making those promises makes it clear that Obama never intended to keep those promises. Obama is simply not an honest man and cannot be trusted. His proponents defend and excuse his lies. Are you one of them?

tatupu70 says

tenure

Ah, So that's how. Spell checker never finds that word for me.
Thank the Liberal elite or the rest of us would ever know what in the hell we are talking about.

Well what I don't get, is how is the "Health care bill" supposed to cost so much damn money, if every one is supposed to be on the hook to pay premiums. If this scheme wasn't a huge money maker for the Already greedy insurance system we have, then there wouldn't be insurance companies being the number one driver of medical bills.

Why is so much tax dollars going to this sham?

And I'll tell ya when I start getting 1,200 every month deducted from my paycheck, along with the rest of the taxes I'm already paying. That will definitely be worst tax hit I've ever had.
I'll need a shower every pay day.

"Obama hasn’t raised marginal taxes yet, but his campaign promise was that he wouldn’t raise any taxes on those earning under $250k per year and he has. In fact, he promised a middle class tax CUT, didn’t he? He also promised a “pay as we go” economic policy during his campaign. More lies. Shortly after taking office Obama raised cigarette taxes 150%, and the recently passed Obamacare bill raises numerous different taxes on people making under $250k. This short youtube video names them specifically http://ur.lc/irr . So it appears that the Tea Party folks are better informed than their detractors. The youtube video guy and Leigh’s criticisms being typical case-in-point examples of this.

More importantly, the current deficit spending is too massive http://ur.lc/fkx to continue without tax increases. Tea Partiers instinctively know these deficits will lead to tax increases whereas their ill-informed detractors keep parrotting talking points about how Obama promised not to raise taxes… as if those promises mean anything given the realities of the deficit spending."

ZDD, is there another post you are referring to or where in this post do you elaborate on the tax hikes in the hc bill on those making less than $250K?

"Well what I don’t get, is how is the “Health care bill” supposed to cost so much damn money, if every one is supposed to be on the hook to pay premiums. If this scheme wasn’t a huge money maker for the Already greedy insurance system we have, then there wouldn’t be insurance companies being the number one driver of medical bills. "

Excellent point, TOT! That's why single payer AKA KILL THE HC INSURANCE INDUSTRY is the only solution I see.

ZippyDDoodah says

They were screaming over his spending policies. Do you have any evidence we/they weren’t

lol--were they screaming in a soundproof room? Because I don't remember seeing any tea partiers making any noise about Federal spending until Obama took office.

ZippyDDoodah says

However, Obama has taken a bad situation and made it 10x WORSE

How do you figure. He inherited an economy in free fall, at the brink of implosion and managed to stabilize it, then get it seemingly on the recovery track in 1 year. How exactly is that making things worse?

Nomograph says

ZippyDDoodah says

They were screaming over his spending policies. Do you have any evidence we/they weren’t? It is simply a lie to assert that these same people were not pissed off over Bush’s spending.

If they were upset, the sure kept it too themselves. Furthermore, anyone who questioned Bush’s radical spending was labeled a terrorist-coddling traitor. Them’s was good times, so shoo fly don’t bother me now.

You'd think the librul media would have given the Tea Party all the air and print time they wanted if they were critical of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Ashcroft.

Hmmmm, maybe the media ain't so librul?

Tenouncetrout says

Ah, So that’s how. Spell checker never finds that word for me.
Thank the Liberal elite or the rest of us would ever know what in the hell we are talking about.
Well what I don’t get, is how is the “Health care bill” supposed to cost so much damn money, if every one is supposed to be on the hook to pay premiums. If this scheme wasn’t a huge money maker for the Already greedy insurance system we have, then there wouldn’t be insurance companies being the number one driver of medical bills.
Why is so much tax dollars going to this sham?
And I’ll tell ya when I start getting 1,200 every month deducted from my paycheck, along with the rest of the taxes I’m already paying. That will definitely be worst tax hit I’ve ever had.
I’ll need a shower every pay day.

I'd respond to your posts more often if I could ever tell what the heck you are talking about...

10 oz trout, what solutions do you think of when pondering the health care crisis?

And for those that don't think of it as a crisis think of your premiums and then go get sick and see how much out of pocket you have to pay. I just got word of my ER visit for my toddler's broken clavicle in SF. Luckily we found an in-network hospital. We owe $450.00 and that's WITH insurance.

ZDD, is there another post you are referring to or where in this post do you elaborate on the tax hikes in the hc bill on those making less than $250K?

This is the 3rd time I've pointed it to you: http://ur.lc/irr . Specific tax hikes on those making less than $250k are named starting 39 seconds into the 1:10 minute video. There are excise taxes on medical equipment, taxes on health care premiums, a tax on prescription drugs, a tax on on "cadillac" health insurance plans. But most importantly, the inevitable taxes that this extreme deficit spending is leading towards. You agree that the deficit spending is "screwing" us, but you don't want to be associated with those icky slack-jawed Tea Party supporters because you're too enlightened.

The HC bill will wildly exceed it's projected costs with countless unintended consequences just like Medicaid and Medicare, leading to even larger deficits. If you sum total the profits of the largest 10 health insurance companies in the US, that total is less than 1/2 the annual fraud which takes place under Medicare each year, because the govt. has little incentive to control waste or fraud, wasting needed resources with little accountability. This is what we have to look forward to on a massive scale with the new HC bill

Don't have access to video at this moment. You asked if I could read so I assumed it was in your post using vowels and consonants.

I have never been for this health care bill, I am a single payer fan. My problem with the Tea Party is that they don't know what they are angry about.

I have yet to have a Tea Party interaction when someone has given me details. I can't even find it on their websites. No details! No solutions!

I have never been for this health care bill, I am a single payer fan. My problem with the Tea Party is that they don’t know what they are angry about.

Either you're not listening or you're dishonest. It's clear as day to anyone paying the least amount of attention the the Tea Partiers are angry with the extreme growth in government deficit spending and the increases of govt intrusions into our lives.

And for those that don’t think of it as a crisis think of your premiums and then go get sick and see how much out of pocket you have to pay. I just got word of my ER visit for my toddler’s broken clavicle in SF. Luckily we found an in-network hospital. We owe $450.00 and that’s WITH insurance.

Regarding ER costs, this NY Times article http://ur.lc/irw points out several misconceptions:

Emergency Room Myths
By FREAKONOMICS

The overutilization of emergency rooms is often cited as a dangerous symptom of America’s broken healthcare system. But a new Slate article from Zachary Meisel and Jesse Pines offers a rosier picture of emergency room usage, and dispels several pervasive myths. They write that E.R. care represents less than 3 percent of healthcare spending, only 12 percent of E.R. visits are non-urgent, and the majority of E.R. patients are insured U.S. citizens, not uninsured, illegal immigrants. Meisel and Pines also point out that E.R. visits don’t necessarily cost more than primary care visits: “In fact, the marginal cost of treating less acute patients in the ER is lower than paying off-hours primary care doctors, as ERs are already open 24/7 to handle life-threatening emergencies.”

Devastates the pro-HC case that emergency rooms are a primary culprit of runaway healthcare costs