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Let me start out by saying that I am in favor of gay marriage and equal rights for all LGBT people. Period.

I also grew up in the south and can appreciate a relic. So I think of the Duck Dynasty guy as an oddity that they picked for the show because he is in many ways outlandish. In my mind, it is the package. It is his generation and his culture. It is what makes him both entertaining and offensive. I have known and loved people like him. I did this in spite of their hateful beliefs, not because of them.

I am glad that someone like him will never be president. I am sad when hateful beliefs hurt people. I am surprised that anyone expected him to have beliefs other than what he stated. To me, it is part of the package. If you were entertained by watching all of the other ways he was backward, why would you kick him off the show now?

It is like firing a Kardahian when they say something shallow or sexist. Would you fire them for objectifying women?

bg says

Let me start out by saying that I am in favor of gay marriage and equal rights for all LGBT people. Period.

I am too but they don't want equal rights, they already have that.
They want exceptional rights. The right to tell organization the "Definition" of what marriage even is. The right to be exempt from any criticism and scrutiny while they get a bully pulpit media outlet and are free to bombard anyone they disagrees with, all kinds of unsavory names.

Could you imagine if some televangelist parked out front of Anderson Coopers condo and harassed him to and from his door to his car, and followed him down the street. Waiting to get grunt out of him, so they could inject that he said "Death to all people who are religious, fucking Pope cock suckers..." and the majority of the people would then listen to the video a thousand times over trying to catch where he said that.

Instead of perpetuating that LIE they would call them out on it, if it even got that far. Chances are they all would have been hauled off to jail for harassing and stalking long before it even came to that.

Want legal standing with the American tax code where you're life partner is concerned. Then I have no problem with lobbying for those rights. I would even join in with them. I would support that 100% and have said so, countless times here.

What I don't support is rewarding them the exception right to redefine marriage in the eye's of the world's religions. Especially while they use their bully pulpit talk shows to make slanderous blasphemous remarks against religion and those who practice it.

CaptainShuddup says

Where? Who's persecuting? Are they being persecuted for speaking their minds?

Still waiting for answer on my 3 disliked question.
Nobody likes an honest question I see.

Who said anything about killing people?

Geesh the guy called them a sinner and thinks they are going to hell. Anyone bitching about that already is in hell, if that's all they got to worry about.

When Honey Booboo finds Jesus, the shit's really gonna hit the fan.

These guys have proved resilient to the Liberal hero self destruction formula, and it just pisses them off. That they haven't been able to dig up any past life dirt on them, or any current scandals to destroy them on a media campaign in tweeter and facebook. They didn't make a Facebook post or a tweet, or a sext anyone them selves. Fuck somebody even tried to pass off a Photo Shopped image of Willie Robertsons wife.

And if you think I'm just one mans opinion. Every company that has treaded into the political correct maddness of the GLADD exceptional rights agenda has found them selves quickly back peddling. First of all, if you carry DD merchandise, it is safe to assume you don't have the GLB for your typical clientele. Dare I say the Cracker barrel isn't your local Craigslist MOM hook up spot.

Now that A&E has shot their Golden Goose, multiple networks are falling over them selves to get them on their networks.

Why can't those Robertson's be more like the Cardashians, and those poor saps in those feel good Viral videos where some smug do gooder helps them out in some endearing way. The video is posted on Saturday, by Tuesday they are on every news network magazine segment, by wednesday they are on the talk show circuts, then by Friday the dirt about them surfaces and they are ran out of town by an angry mob with pitchforks and torches, like in Frankenstein.

Why oh why can't they be those innocent boobs, the media sure gets a kick out of eviscerating in front of an international digital audience.

I mean that's MSNBC and Comedy Central advertising gold right there.

They are a private company and can do whatever they want, however that in turn means every employer has the right to discriminate as they see fit. You can't have it one way only, if you support anti-discrimination laws for every workplace then this guy should be able to sue the network as he was wrongfully terminated. If you don't, then you have to be ok if an employer fires somebody for promoting pro-gay/straight/black/white/religious beliefs at their workplace if they deem voicing those beliefs not in line with their workplace. This may be tough to swallow for some, but anybody who does not see it that way is not a true liberal. Note that his only applies for private entities.

sbh says

They bellow and howl about how vile and evil and sinful gays are and then disregard how gays have stood up to beatings, mutilations and murder

OK where is this going on?
We're beyond any spiteful gay bashing, hurting mauling, harming and killing. I would like one single person to point out where this is being promoted anywhere in this country?

Geesh, I mean Phil should count his lucky stars that the DA hasn't showed up at his door to book him for a hate crime.

Come on Assholes doth protest too fucking much!

sbh says

GI deaths overseas

Oh I see, so you want to hold Phil Robertson personally responsible for what people do over seas to a Soldier in wartime?

But you couldn't come with anything that fits into the context of what's happening over here. Again I doubt those Muslim extremists are watching Duck Dynasty about christian capitalists.

It's natural to be gay if you are gay. And it's natural for those who aren't to take a personal objection to it. Not an objection of the individual, just the right to be get the heebie jeebies at the thought of them personally being gay. It certainly is well with in their right if that's how they feel.

Call it a good day, that's as good as it gets, for those folks to just walk the other way and want no part of it, rather than to be thrust into the mix with them, when they'd just rather not. That's where problems come.

You guys just want to force everyone to eat your Green eggs and ham, with out objection or protest with a big approving smile on their face while they do it, and it's no different than if the religious right were going around(which it could be argued they did and probably still do) trying to force everyone to go to church and repent for their sins and those of their fathers.

To tell you the truth, I like Gays better than this lot that is always trying to make issues out of ones gayness and more importantly ones lack there of Gayness.

All the Gays I know will just tell you to fuck off if you don't like it, they don't make a crisis mode out of it. Unless it was a handsome guy that rejected them. And it's really no secret to them how Phil Robertson feels about Gays, they wouldn't attend a Roberton's BBQ on a bet. Not because they feel dejected by them, but because they feel the Robertson's are beneath their social payscale.

bgamall4 says

He doesn't understand the Apostle at all.

There's as many interpretations as there are religions.
Don't assume yours to be the authority. Especially someone who uses Zionists as much as you do.

Just a few years ago, you would have been on everybody's shit list for that.

No group in history has been as picked on as the present-day American conservative.

Dear Diary

I was in the middle of the parking lot of my school, and a group of cowboys surrounded me...

They took a lasso out and started throwing it around my neck...

...I was able to get it off.
...All I can remember is being surrounded by these people,
...and all I could do was just keep walking.

I just finally was able to break free from them, and got into the school.

There was a substitute teacher for my class, and I told her to lock the door, because I was afraid that they were going to come in, and harm . . . even in front of a teacher. . . . I actually made her like lock the door.

I called the administration from the in-house phones. I was so hysterical I said, "They tried to throw a neck around my rope." I was humiliated. I was embarrassed. sent me home on the same bus as these kids.

I would bet anything the instigator has suppressed Homosexual feelings, and for him/them it was homo erotic encounter, that they pulled off with out having to acknowledge they might be gay them selves.

1) they didn't string up this guy
2) he was very vague about his interaction with them other than the rope and tree.
3) he was able to get away while they are all surronding him with a rope around his neck, what did he use a kungfu chop?
4) he goes to his class and finds a Substitute teacher filling his spot.
5) he makes up a story and calls the cops
6) he mixes his bullshit up, and says "They tried to throw a neck his rope"
7) everyone gets a funny haha and he's made into a laughing stock Victim.
8) He takes the school bus home, but I thought he started out driving into work so late that no one was out in the parking lot to come to his defense when the OZ jailbreak rabble, came calling on him in the parking lot.

Did they at least tip?

But lets say his story is true, and my assessment of who the perps were is true as well.

So you have all of the Males who are totally hetero and don't give gays a second notice other than to have the opinion they are going to hell.
But the ones who are fucked over in the head, and are confused mentally and suppressed sexually and chocked with self condemnation and loathing because they are gay. I'd bet that lot has more to do with violent acts against gays in this country than the other.

Let's say you get everyone to join hands and come sing lets all get gay engaged in a human hand holding chain that spread across the nation, "WORLD" even.

Do you think that would ever stop people from deep psychological issues, who claim to hate gays, and wishes them harm while having gay tendencies them selves?

These guys are sociopaths, they have a lifetime of experience feigning affection and pretending to like someone, smiling all the time around them but pushing them off a cliff the first chance they get alone with them.

Will that STILL be Phil Robertson's fault?

As a liberal, I demand that the cast of Duck Dynasty be forced into homosexuality. Anybody who doesn't know this is what liberalism is about isn't paying attention.

Heterosexuality, Jesus, and goodness must be eradicated!

sbh says

n your dreams. Don't you remember "God hates queers" in respect of GI deaths overseas? This is preached in churches. The killing will continue even if I don't troll the internet to find you the latest links. You'd just pooh-pooh it anyway. It's a myth to you.

you have a very poor link to WestBoro Church.. God Hates Fags....

their membership is only 40 people or so....

are you claiming WBC represents ALL of Christianity...

pretty stupid of you to make such claims....

HydroCabron says

No group in history has been as picked on as the present-day American conservative.

By the group of Liberals who are the most uninformed and blinded by facts.
Truth is not important as long as they full fill their agenda.

thomaswong.1986 says

HydroCabron says

No group in history has been as picked on as the present-day American conservative.

By the group of Liberals who are the most uninformed and blinded by facts.

Truth is not important as long as they full fill their agenda.

Yes, "blinded by facts."

By the way, have you had homosexual sex today? The liberal agenda demands it!

HydroCabron says

Yes, "blinded by facts."

By the way, have you had homosexual sex today? The liberal agenda demands it!

See my comments above if you want to dig up real facts..
to counter the hype your side likes to spew out..

thomaswong.1986 says

HydroCabron says

Yes, "blinded by facts."

By the way, have you had homosexual sex today? The liberal agenda demands it!

See my comments above if you want to dig up real facts..

to counter the hype your side likes to spew out..

I apologize... I had forgotten that you read The National Review. Since they vet their subscribers so carefully, it would be futile to engage you in debate.

HydroCabron says

I apologize... I had forgotten that you read The National Review. Since they vet their subscribers so carefully, it would be futile to engage you in debate.

The liberals have twisted what Phil Robertson stated... your sided painted him
as a racist and a homophobic, but neither are true. All you elitist have already labeled
middle America as backward hicks.. uncultured and uneducated in the ways of the new order.!

Show us the WMD... Words of Mass Discrimination...

when do we start the invasion of Duck Central ?

sbh says

Someone is willing to commit felony murder and the worst you can say about them is that they're probably a faggot. You're a swine.

Where was murder commited in your link. Sounds like a fabricated story where the guy couldn't keep his shit straight. He came to work late and got upset that they called a sub to do his job.

Secondly yeah, I'd wager that 90% of violent crimes committed against gays, is from one of their Own. I don't see how what Phil would or not say, would affect those people either way.

sbh says

and the worst you can say about them is that they're probably a faggot.

I didn't say that you just did. You don't have any repressed feelings we should know about do you?

bgamall4 says

“For the sake of the Gospel, it was worth it,” Phil tells me. “All you have to do is look at any society where there is no Jesus. I’ll give you four: Nazis, no Jesus. Look at their record. Uh, Shintos? They started this thing in Pearl Harbor. Any Jesus among them? None. Communists? None. Islamists? Zero. That’s eighty years of ideologies that have popped up where no Jesus was allowed among those four groups. Just look at the records as far as murder goes among those four groups.”

He made an anecdotal observations it's not like Liberals aren't constantly guilty of that. I don't see Phil saying that, any different than the Elitist Liberals who suppose that if they weren't born rich they'll never be rich. Or that poor people are of lower intelligence than the well off Gated Community class.

sbh says

Maybe you should ask it of Phil since he's such a hero to you.

I doubt he would talk to me, as I am a sinner and a dope smoker, I bet he has less hope for me, than he does for gays. He doesn't think I'm any different than those who commit bestiality.

But I damn well respect his right to his opinion, and has my blessing to blab it to any tabloid he damn well chooses.

sbh says

Someone is willing to commit felony murder and the worst you can say about them is that they're probably a faggot. You're a swine.

And back to this guys bullshit story, that was posted with out a date the incident occurred or the community in which it occurred.

Where in the hell do you find "Cowboys" in a school parking lot?
Were they on horses, and wearing chaps? Were they sporting ten gallon hats? How do you take a story like that at face value without asking at least... "What makes you say there were Cowboys?"

Why is this not considered "Stereo typing" even in his lie?
I mean it wouldn't be the first kind of this story where a Gay person fabricated a news event that didn't happen. At least this guy didn't get crowd funded donations.

bgamall4 says

Check these out and maybe you will change your mind about me Captain:

I don't have no mind about you. You post crap about a Zionist conspiracy, and I just roll my eyes about it. I certainly don't think you should be silenced because you have those opinions.

I just don't agree. The Rich liberal gay Jews are running the world, not Zionist in a country who's only export is opposing religions.

That can't possibly sound any more ridiculous than what you say all the time.

bgamall4 says

At least the liberals try to help the poor.

You don't help the poor by indefinitely cutting them a check.

I'd be sending you fist bumps and high fives, had this administration spent as much energy on creating policy that encouraged more middle training and jobs.

And when I say "Middle Class" I don't mean for only the middle class, I mean policy that will create more middle class from anyone interested. Also if they didn't gloat about every part time job that was created. Which bt fucking w, there really wasn't any minimum wage part time jobs created. What corporations did was made a Sunday night backroom deal with the Obama Administration to Cut hours of those working 32 or more hours, to 17 hours. Essentially destroying 5 jobs where a couple working one each, could at least manage to scrape by until they moved on to better employment. To create 15 jobs that hopelessly waste people's time, and in many instances, the job paid less than the gas and other expenses they paid out, made economic, to make sense to even work that job.

In return these corporations got to be exempt from Obamacare.

It's not that so many of these jobs are added every week, it's that making a living from these jobs is so impossible that the turn over rate is high.

The average lifespan of a part time employee in 2013 was less than 3 months.

Bite my ass, the Liberals help the poor.

"We're from the Government we're here to help!"

Beware indeed!

sbh says

You keep going back to Phil in order to hide your own ignorance about abuse of gays in America. But since you look up to him so reverently I'll tell what I think of him. He himself would not abuse gays, but his condemnation of them is the foundation that promotes the abuse in others. His vocalizations of condemnation draw criticism from Liberals, and conservatives come breathlessly running to his support. You did. Suddenly poor Phil is suffering more than the queers ever did even though gays have been killed simply as a matter of pride. Could you imagine the carnage that would transpire if one straight guy in the south was beaten to death by a gang of angry gay men? It's such cowardice to bray about freedom of speech and religion, and to claim you're being abused on a level equal to that visited upon the people your speech and religion vilify.

Pure projection.

Anytime a liberal occupies the white house, your process below is hastened..

sbh says

This country is going to hell.

Plenty of straight guys have been beat to death by a gay person with repressed feelings. Remember Gacye, Dalmer, Bundy should I give you the California death row roster for the last 50 to 60 years?

Gay bars around here have a reputation of being tough, meaning not even the biggest baddest homophobes would dare go in there and talk shit. Less they want to end up on the receiving end of Jailhouse justice?

So yeah, they are repulsed while at the same time, scared that if they went looking for any trouble, then they might get turned out.

Oh yeah, speaking of which, where was all of the fake outrage against HBO, when they created OZ which pretty much outlines exactly what goes on in most prisons in the United States and the world. That makes it seem jail is full of Gays and Queers?

CaptainShuddup says

Oh yeah, speaking of which, where was all of the fake outrage against HBO, when they created OZ which pretty much outlines exactly what goes on in most prisons in the United States and the world. That makes it seem jail if full of Gays and Queers?

I read somewhere in history books that homosexuality in old Roman empire was a sign of dominance. Where old men would seek out young men and do what they thought was a sign of privilege. Today these groups pretend it's about rights, in reality it's just a bunch of sick and vile old pedophiles seeking to abuse young boys.

They are sick people I tell you.

CaptainShuddup says

Plenty of straight guys have been beat to death by a gay person with repressed feelings. Remember Gacye, Dalmer, Bundy should I give you the California death row roster for the last 50 to 60 years?

One night on Boylston Street, I just got off work from a store near Yawkey Way, and this Italian Guy comes walking from a gay club down the street - all angry as hell.

He runs up to me and says "Those guys tried to FUCK me! Can you believe that shit? They tried to fuck me!!!" half-drunk and in a rage. Then he jumps in the street and smacks a passing car's side mirror.

Now this guy had a little twinkle in his eye, and you have to be a mega-idiot not to comprehend "Ramrod Night". That and the club is festooned with gay and drag posters outside, and almost everybody on line is male. I think he went in, did a little dirty dancing, but when somebody grabbed his crotch he flipped out due to all the family/religious crap.

But yeah, lots of angry repressed gays in the world still. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

sbh says

The outrage was churning in the tortured psyches of America's conservatives who are just too repressed to don the mantel of free speech and express their alleged minds. I thought that was what you're all about, you know, being the downtrodden demographic and all. I'm surprised you asked.

So you're saying that only Liberal social artists are allowed to create gay themed subject content? And everyone else should just pretend the don't even exist, other than answer "YES" to what ever they ask or say, the quickly just look back down.

"Don't make eye contact, don't make eye contact... Ah man you screwed up now that is considered bigoted homophobia, I hope you don't have a talk show buddy!"

sbh says

When they tied that poor kid to the fence and stoned him to death I bet they thought he was trying to suck them off the whole time. I mean really, did they have any choice? A guy's got his pride, ya know?

SBH, I think you're taking my post the wrong way.

It's about some Boston Italian kid struggling with his own demons about being gay. In no way justifies some Wyoming kid getting beaten up for being gay.

Some gays, like some heterosexuals, get violent when dealing with their issues, whatever they might be, sexual or from a history of child abuse or emotional or whatever. Pointing this out shouldn't be heretical.

If I had a dollar for every guy who threw a beer bottle or broke something when their inner demons get loosed from alcohol, I'd be richer than Gates.

sbh says

What bugs me is guys like the Captain who prop up bigotry simply in a knee jerk support of anyone on the right, and do so using what the neo-rightist have employed the last two decades: calling lefties racists guilty of reverse discrimination or some such blather. When you recall the contortions people went through to fabricate justifications for "their side" in the Martin/Zimmerman debate you see how weary the conservatives are of wearing the jacket of prejudice and bigotry. They undertake any gymnastic to put it on a mannequin that sits on the left. That's the Captain in spades. Say anything, anything at all, and be sure to call your opponent guilty of what you've been stuck with for years.

I bet it tasted good, I was looking for a good recipe of Irony Soup.

You're not going to trump my "Racebaiting" card, with your "Race" card.
Go fish!

Oh Huessien he was this know it all PoliticoFact paid schil that likes to come around every election season, post Liar Liar pictographs that with out any other proof, he uses to say how great the Tampa Times endorsed politicans are while bullying everyone else who dissgrees.

For you, when you're acting like him, he's just a Name I use to throw in an empty Pringles can along with a few screws and marbles and rattle it around until you shut up.

You're quite lucid today as well, I see my therapy has helped.

Oyevay!!!!

You of all people I don't owe anything.

I'm sure most here would call me a racist, but I would also bet that I respect people of all race, religion and cultures more than anyone here.

I celebrate people's differences you people want to put us all in a Liberal sausage grinder and spit mentally and sexually confused liberal servants and wards of the State.

To me you people are no different than the Dukes, Sirs and Viceroys in Ireland in the middle ages who rapped all of the women because they wanted to breed out the Irish.

The way a NPR segment narrator, can present his point of view about cultures from South America while calling "Chicha" music of detergents, gets a free pass, because some overly educated shit head is projecting about culture on the tax payers dime again.
But catch to White GOP senators discussing the American black culture and their music using the same semantics, and the sound byte will be taken out of context and blasted all over the social media calling them racists.

You might call me a racist, I don't care really, but you'll never be able to call me a hypocrite, and all of my colorful friends will agree with me on that. At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me. Are my friends and how they view me, not you basket full of fruitcakes from the west coast.

As long as my friends like Magic and Tim and Peto says I'm cool, that's all I'm worried about.

They are coming over in a bit for to jam some music and drink a few beers, would you like me to ask them anything?

I respect all cultures and races, and don't think anyone is inferior nor superior to the other.

What I don't like is this Uniculture of confused misguided souls that has no heritage, tradition, values, or identity. With all of this missing from everyone regardless of race, the world is loosing a lot more than a few John Earl's in East Mississipi.

All of those things are missing in this modern Uniculture.

Regardless of race or culture those things were always present, and universally across the board. The only thing that changed was the attire for the occasions and the decorations.

With this Uniculture people wont know their boundaries, or respect for any implied boundaries. We'd all be no good sons of bitches no better or worse than each other. But more importantly lack the home upbringing to know the difference.

I'd rather live in Mongolia in a Yurt, or a Lima on the side of a dirt hill in a makeshift shack, that to live in the America where we/and much of the International world is headed.

At least if I were living in those places they would know I'm laughing with them and not at them.

So in closing I probably don't like you, but I love all races and cultures.

CaptainShuddup says

I respect all cultures and races, and don't think anyone is inferior nor superior to the other.

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CaptainShuddup says

With this Uniculture people wont know their boundaries, or respect for any implied boundaries. We'd all be no good sons of bitches no better or worse than each other.

Trying to wrap my mind around what's going on here.

Are you in a flame war with yourself, or have you just not thought your opinions through yet?

CaptainShuddup says

It’s all now about not offending some victim group.

Do you have any idea how many things one can't say for fear of offending white Christians in this country?

sbh says

That must be the Uniculture Cap was spewing about. I wondered what he meant. He wanders around amongst sentence fragments and unfinished thoughts

The cap has an amazing ability to post at least 6-8 half finished and/or totally incomprehensiible contradictory thoughts all at the same time, sometimes in the same paragraph. It's a true talent.

HydroCabron says

Do you have any idea how many things one can't say for fear of offending white Christians in this country?

what has been said already for decades... no not offended at all

you say "white" Christians.. seems you left out a whole lot of other Christians out there..

or is this another race thing for you ?