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The Original Bankster says

they are reduced to being sexual objects only

Oprah, Martha Stewart, Marissa Mayer, Meg Whitman, Janet Yellen, Hillary Clinton, Mary Barra....

Yep, all reduced to being merely sexual objects

There are exceptions but Asian women are overrated.

Peter P says

There are exceptions but Asian women are overrated.

Sure they are...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/-KVPA-9hofw

Tell me what other woman in the whole world could take a pile of rubbish and make something so beautiful, and look so exquisite while doing so?

While being over 50!?!?!

Again, there are exceptions, but most Asian women are unfunny.

Feminist propaganda really can fuck up a perfectly good woman. Most women have no idea (intellectually) what they want out of life, but they all know emotionally what they need. Cater to their emotional needs and ignore the other bullshit that comes out of their mouths about what they "like" in a man. Being a real man is about confidence, power, and humility. I know, many of you won't get that last part, but it's what separates the men from the sociopathic assholes. Humility is being willing to serve, a deliberate restraint of innate power. It's the dividing line between man and monster.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I mean, come on. This is really, really hilarious that I am seriously arguing about some of these crazy statements but at the same time its really sad that some people seemingly actually believe what they're typing too. Holy shit!

edvard2 says

I actually knew someone who did that and while I don't care who anyone marries or where they get married, in this case as soon as they came back to the US and she was legal she dumped his ass.

Yup, I have had heard of this, too. Also, foreign wives are often murdered by their domineering, narcissistic husbands because the husbands think they purchased a chattels and become enraged at the slightest hint of assertion. Conversely, some of the foreign wives murder the overbearing husbands.

I bought a foreclosure from a white male who had a Filipino wife for about a year. She was never happy and eventually went back home to be with her family.

I see men at the beach, usually older white men, with younger asian dates who obviously don't even speak English. The men seem really twitchy and insecure types. They engage in odd peacocking and self puffing with these women who either don't or barely understand what the men are even saying. The men also seem pathologically jealous and hovering.

The men with foreign wives I have known personally seem to suffer from a male dominance personality disorder, and they treat their foreign property, for want of a better comparison, as incestuously owned daughters.

In some societies with low divorce rates it is often due to religious institutions such as catholicism where divorce is really frowned upon. In small towns in other countries where everyone knows each other it's even possible to get excommunicated from the church for divorce. Hence the reason why people stay put. However, it is no reflection on underlying happiness of the parties involved.

komputodo says

No reason to cry...laughing is ok though...no reason to feel sad either..If you are content with your situation, you should be happy as hell..Millions of others aren't so count your blessings.

There is a missing element to this whole " debate" which like I said- isn't one to start with: It takes two to tango and if there are a lot of divorces, well its not just the women who cause it. Hmmm... could it also quite possibly be because of.... the men too? Gee wizz!

Sad. Just sad.

In our society we are about skills specialization regardless of gender. If someone needs something done and they are unable or unwilling to do the work themselves, they can hire a contractor to do what needs to be done. This is regardless of gender.

Some of the reasons that there appears to be a double standard is because dudes have not held women accountable. For example with liberation certain chivalrous acts such as opening car doors shoud have been done away with. Mentality that men should pay for dinners out, etc should have been done away with it. To the extent that men continued to do these things they have played a key part to contributing to presence of some women who act like they want to have their cake and eat it too. If men wouldn't do these things, then women would not get reinforced for conduct that leads to these actions so things could have been put to rest a long time ago.

komputodo says

50'ish women in mexico having a get together: listening to music, playing a
board game, drinking sodas, snacking, laughing and cackling, having a good ol'
time.

What you are omitting from the 50s women in mexico is the fact that many of them don't know how to drive, have never worked a day in their life outside of their home (serial babymaker/homemaker), were under financial thumb of their husbands (and likely put up with good machismo beating as a result) and are likely to grow resentful when they witness their college graduate chicana daughters start earning a paycheck and move out (aka the white way). And then bitterness really sets in...

We do need a marriage reform. Men should not be prejudiced against in a divorce. There should be no alimony and/or child support to the initiating party.

A woman ought to have absolute control over the pregnancy. In this case, if she decides to proceed, she must assume completely responsibility over the offspring.

komputodo says

I don't know where you got those ideas from..TV??

Real life, I know many latinos and I have seen these scenarios play out. And it is very interesting for me to observe the pivotal changes that college grads make as they are able to achieve financial independence that make me believe that some of the "traditions" were not really based on choice but more out of necessity.

Heraclitusstudent says

I suspect a majority of women are S. They dislike politics, theoretical discussions, or discussions about abstract subjects like religion. They prefer practical matters and tangible reality.

Likewise a majority of men are N. I would say a majority of people on this board are N.

Most women I know like to talk about politics and religion.

Currently, I am an ENFP, but I have been an INTJ and ENTJ, before. So, yes, I am definitely an N.

I can be extremely introverted or extremely extraverted depending on my mood.

The best way to conquer your fear of public speaking is to imagine that people are sheep. You herd them with your words.

Folks, the fact that two-thirds of divorces in this country, are initiated by women, is not exactly encouraging.

Divorce reform is very simple. The person initiating the proceedings does not get primary custody, unless they prove a preponderance of evidence there is abuse or the divorced is a clearly unfit parent.

komputodo says

edvard2 says

Lastly, I've got news for some of you geniuses who think all problems, women-wise can be solved by running off to some 3rd world country and getting hitched or whatever, well guess what? I actually knew someone who did that and while I don't care who anyone marries or where they get married, in this case as soon as they came back to the US and she was legal she dumped his ass.

And there is the rub...I too have seen that happen numerous times..He should have stayed in her country.

These fools think they can bring her to the USA and continue their life as normal. Going to work and leaving her at home alone with no friends, no family, etc and expect her to be happy..That's a recipe for disaster..Another mistake they make is marrying someone that's way too young for them

Eddie Murphy said it best:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/i5mIL3F5QDA

thunderlips11 says

Divorce reform is very simple. The person initiating the proceedings does not get primary custody, unless they prove a preponderance of evidence there is abuse or the divorced is a clearly unfit parent.

Yep. And no funds either.

edvard2 says

Sad. Just sad.

If you look at the statistics, they are pretty clear. Less and less marriages, men dragging their feet, but of those who are married the vast majority of the divorces come from the woman. Introducing no-fault divorce was a big mistake as it removes the skin in the game. These are statistical facts. It's great if you are happily married and most of your peers are, the majority of my peers aren't and divorces are everywhere. Lastly, you cannot eradicate a genetic blueprint reigning for thousands of years with a fiery speech about feminism and how great women are. Genetically women are supposed to stay home more, spend more time with the kids than the man and cook and take care of the household and that's how they are happiest. There's no doubt that throughout history there were times were women have been treated unfairly and those mistakes have been long corrected, but if you think that they are overall happier today, then the data does not match your thinking.

How did we come to modern women and the current situation?
check this:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-21/abe-needs-to-lean-forward

This highlights clearly the real reasons, though the consensus was this was to 'liberate' women.

A rabbit in a cage, looks out at the Scientist, and thinks
*I know that rabbit better than he knows himself*

mell says

there are tons of genetical

Really? Has the specific set of genes responsible for staying at home and raising children been identified yet?

It shouldn't be hard to find, X marks the spot...

errc says

Canada on your list, do tell!

Montreal but shh, don't tell the missus!!!

Fwiw, the few dudes I know who have done the overseas wifey thing have been dudes who couldn't get laid if their life depended on it. Guys who were losers in nearly every aspect of life...even financially barely treading water.

New Renter says

mell says

there are tons of genetical

Really? Has the specific set of genes responsible for staying at home and raising children been identified yet?

It shouldn't be hard to find, X marks the spot...

It's not that simple.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/nesting-during-pregnancy_n_3949873.html

http://www.insidescience.org/content/male-birds-nice-nests/976

The last one is an opinion piece with some research backing it though:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1394595/Has-equality-destroyed-sex-life-A-controversial-book-claims-feminism-rise-new-men-killed-womens-libidos-.html

It is the laws that are the problem. Woman wanted equality- so be it -they need to embrace it and accept their responsibilities. Get rid of alimony and unreasonable child support. if a woman can't support her children financially-then the dad can-no need for the state to grab money and give it to the woman-and nowadays in some case vice-versa. The state only needs to get involved when both parents can't take care of the kids.

Transitory allowance-which might including sharing the apt/home, free food and utilities for a few years after divorce is ok-but anything beyond that is not right. The laws encourage women and now a small but growing population of men to be nothing better than whores, with the gubmnt as the armed pimps/thugs. If gubmnt gets out of this multibillion dollar divorce industry-then people will make choices on their personal circumstances and not on how much money they can extract.

mell says

It's not that simple.

Why not? There is just one chromosome which distinguishes male from female. Find the differences in the genes contained between the X and Y chromosomes and you should find the "happier to stay at home and nest" gene...

Unless its not actually genetic but something else.

Peter P says

There are exceptions but Asian women are overrated.

many American men marry Asian women who grew up in this country thinking they have found a "gem" hahaha. surprisee!!!

if you want the REAL Asian women you need to go to certain Asian countries (not Singapore).

i live in Socal. i can't remember when was the last time I cooked. Food deliveries 100%. for groceries and household items i also order deliveries through Vons. every weekend there's a Mexican maid coming over to clean, wash the pile of dishes and do laundry.

when i'm in the mood for "romance" i call the local escorts. sometimes i feel adventurous and visit a massage parlor. although single i probably get more sex than most married men. and last but DEFINITELY not least, there are always new cuisines on the menu.

these things cost money. but with the divorce rates at 50% and the average length of marriage is 5-7 years and a divorce would cost over half of my money, i get the most bang for my buck this way.

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83I9El6C47A

After reading the tease, I must say: What an idiot!

monkframe says

After reading the tease, I must say: What an idiot!

you sound angry. you must be stuck with an obese hair bitch who don't give you enough sex and nag all day long. fuck off.

Throughout my life, I often heard women complaining that the decks are stacked against us. I never believed it. In my experience, people (men and women) always treated me fairly. I never earned less than my male counterparts. I was promoted fairly. If someone else got a job instead of me, it was because he/she deserved it. The men I dated, treated me like a lady. Ye Gods! They opened doors for me and paid for dinner. Not because my arms are painted on or I couldn't afford my own meal, but because they are gentlemen. They wanted me to feel special. They never made me feel that my opinions didn't matter. They appreciated me for what I had to offer. And I appreciated them, and as a younger person looking for a mate, I had the highest hopes with each guy that we would forge a lasting friendship.

Lately, there have been several threads of a similar theme to this thread, that have shown me how lucky I am to have never run into most of you in real life. YOU are the very people these women who claimed the decks were stacked against them were talking about!

You love to say that "women should be this" and "women now are that." But have you ever stopped to think about why women were what they were and why they are now what they are? Do you think about why women in less developed countries are what we used to be?

The western world emerged from the dark ages strongly guided by Christianity. Like it or not, Christianity wasn't especially kind to women:

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"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)

"Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)

"Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)

"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)

"The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)

"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)

"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)

"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach." (Eccles. 42:13-14)

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There are more passages, but I think this is enough to illustrate what I am talking about. Passages like these are what dictated life for western European women after Constantine. Make no mistake, this was law for much of our history.

Do you believe that women had a choice about this? Do you believe that they were able to evolve as nature intended despite the "hand of God" hovering over them?

Men had the luxury of evolving relatively unfettered by such rules. Women did not until VERY recently in western history. We haven't changed. The fact is you haven't a clue what women are. Up until very recently, we've not been allowed to be anything but what you men said we must be.

Without naming names, you say things like, "men created all the technical advances that we enjoy today; women can't/won't do it" and "women are going against some genetic need to be subservient."

What choices did we have when it was considered a SIN to teach a woman to read or for her to give the mere appearance of putting herself above a man?

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women! (Since we emerged from dark ages.)

Just know that these "rules" made it impossible for any of us to know what women really are. It's only been about 50 years that we've been allowed to develop by our own volition. I have no doubt that you admire women from developing parts of the globe. But make no mistake... They suffer from the very affliction that western women suffered from prior to the 1960s. Men made the rules and those women haven't yet realized the profound unfairness of it. They will.

turtledove says

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women!

Try three-thousand, at least!

Indiana Jones says

turtledove says

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women!

Try three-thousand, at least!

Definitely. I was just focusing on post dark ages since many inventions were lost during the dark times.

Indiana Jones says

turtledove says

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women!

Try three-thousand, at least!

I would say 6 millions years.

komputodo says

You have some strange ideas about how women are in the developing world..This is 2014, even in their world...They have TVs..They see how americans live. They aren't subservient against their will..

What they don't have is need to compete with men..They don't want to be like men. They are above all that crap. They don't need to go out and work "twice as hard as men" to prove anything. They don't need to see shrinks to talk about their feelings...They don't have the need to try for the impossible dream of "having it all". They don't put their "career" above everything else..(neither does the husband)..

Just watch one of those shows like "THE REAL HOUSEWIVES of ____"....Those women are a joke compared to a unselfish, loving, family oriented,strong, hard working woman..I'm talking about latin america BTW..

1) Latin America is pretty Catholic, therefore quite influenced by traditional church teachings.

2) A couple of seasons of "The Real Housewives..." isn't going to derail lifetimes of societal expectations.

3) Evolutions of the mind don't happen overnight. Furthermore, they require education and means, both of which are somewhat lacking in developing countries.

Indiana Jones says

turtledove says

I'm so impressed that you invented stuff. Men only had a thousand-year head start on women!

Try three-thousand, at least!

Typical excuses. You know there are a gazillion drunks-men-who sit in the bar and say the same thing and tell tall tales of how they would run the country if they were given the choice.

One thing I notice in successful men/women is that they do not use excuses and live in alternate realities. They take charge and get things done . Do you ever hear meg Whitman or even Sarah Palin complain about it being tough for women. When you pass gender based laws like Obozo's equal pay-expect to be judged by gender. If you are willing to stand as a person-expect to be treated as a person. Can't have it both ways.

New Renter says

mell says

It's not that simple.

Why not? There is just one chromosome which distinguishes male from female. Find the differences in the genes contained between the X and Y chromosomes and you should find the "happier to stay at home and nest" gene...

Unless its not actually genetic but something else.

There are more differences, also it depends on gene expression and silencing which can vary from individual to individual and is also influenced by environment and nutrition.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050323124659.htm

What's your explanation for the past thousand years of male and female behavioral patterns?

turtledove says

Without naming names, you say things like, "men created all the technical advances that we enjoy today; women can't/won't do it" and "women are going against some genetic need to be subservient."

What choices did we have when it was considered a SIN to teach a woman to read or for her to give the mere appearance of putting herself above a man?

I think everyone agrees that women should have equal access to science and perform any job they want like they have been doing for quite a while. The problem is with laws giving an edge such as affirmative action as well as with putting down women who like to stay at home or halt their career for raising children. When you read articles about rising divorce rates and falling birth rates in other cultures blamed on patriarchy you have to keep in mind that it works still much better over there than here. If the goal is to discourage marriages and kids (some say we are overpopulated anyways), then modern America is certainly doing something right.