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mmmarvel says

Dan8267 says

Serves them right. They should have considered the possibility of a Trump administration when they threw Bernie and his supporters under the bus.

Bernie would have been EASY to defeat. All Trump would have done is keep saying Venezuela, over and over and over again.

I don't think that many people in this country are as confused about democratic socialism as you are. You're not alone, but not everyone is so simple

Check out the schmendrick on the far right

"Trump stole my bicycle-- and he eats meat!!!"

mmmarvel says

Bernie would have been EASY to defeat. All Trump would have done is keep saying Venezuela, over and over and over again.

Feel free to keep lying to yourself. Hillary lost because she was an establishment candidate in an anti-establishment election.

Like the Hillary supporters, you are underestimating the impact #BernieOrBust had.

Dan8267 says

mmmarvel says

Bernie would have been EASY to defeat. All Trump would have done is keep saying Venezuela, over and over and over again.

Feel free to keep lying to yourself. Hillary lost because she was an establishment candidate in an anti-establishment election.

Like the Hillary supporters, you are underestimating the impact #BernieOrBust had.

Bernie has an 85% approval, as a Senator in a Senate with an 11% approval rating.

Bernie has a plan to fix healthcare (do away with private health insurers as they are completely unnecessary), and that alone would have been enough to get him elected.

Parlayed with all his other stances, he would have crushed Trump.

errc says

Parlayed with all his other stances, he would have crushed Trump.

Maybe. The "frail old guy who is a commie" attack would have been strong with dark overlord Trump. I wanted him in too ... but with Bernie, I was a single issue voter really: put Citizens United in the cross hairs.

FortWayne says

They are still Americans. Nothing wrong with them. We will build a better future tomorrow as one United people. No more liberal race baiting.

There are more of those sad faces than happy around the nation and world right now.

The nation tips toward conflicts from the extremes now, more than ever. There are brave faces and talk from the leadership. I do not see this healing well at all. It would have been this way with Clinton too. These are not the unifying candidates we were looking for.

Trump likely regrets his four years by the end of it.

How Deplorable These Peoples Are!!!

Oh My!

freespeechforever says

How Deplorable These Peoples Are!!!

Got it wrong ... those are bad hombres and nasty women in the pictures above.

Commentary on article's site is priceless.

Last night in Portland

www.youtube.com/embed/_PW1LknhvvY

Dan8267 says

My point exactly. It's literally impossible to run any society without socialism, so opposing socialism is advocating literal anarchy.

As long as you admit to being wrong. As to anarchy, this country was founded without a standing military(see private), and defeated the most powerful empire in the world with volunteers who went home in the middle of the war because they had put in their year and needed to tend to their farms. Didn't your mom ever tell you, too much socialism rots your brain!

I'll concede the communist socialist contain differences argument. I hate when people water down language by saying two words are the same. Communism is a more controlling form of socialism. Glad I didn't mis-speak and water down Colonial Sanders, Jillary Clinton, or Ronald McTrump's positions by calling them mere socialists.

Dan8267 says

Anyone who thinks socialism is inherently bad is a fool.

Like the citizens of Venezuela? I wouldn't say that to their faces, they're pretty busy trying to not starve to death right now.

NuttBoxer says

As long as you admit to being wrong.

I have no problem admitting I was wrong if someone shows good evidence that a position I took was wrong. I won't stay wrong because upon hearing compelling evidence, I'll change my position immediately. I'm not married to any idea.

However, you have given me no reason to believe I'm wrong about anything I've said in this thread. But hey, go ahead and convince me. What exactly am I wrong about and what evidence do you have to support your assertion?

...but She had the "H" thing Logo?

What did Trump have? NOTHING, Jack Squat that's what!

NuttBoxer says

I'll concede the communist socialist contain differences argument.

Concede? Not good enough. If you want me to respect your opinions about either communism or socialism then you should be evangelizing that the two are completely different things. This is not something you can brush off as a minor and subtle difference, some technicality.

You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to the respect of others if your opinions are founded on ignorance, misinformation, or misunderstanding. If you want me to take your opinions about ideas seriously, you must demonstrate to me that you thoroughly understand those ideas.

Serves them right. They should have considered the possibility of a Trump administration when they threw Bernie and his supporters under the bus.
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If you remember one of the leaked Podesta emails, Bernie may have been complicit. Something about the "deal they had." That would explain his Zen-like response to all this when anyone else would have been pissed as hell.

NuttBoxer says

Dan8267 says

Anyone who thinks socialism is inherently bad is a fool.

Like the citizens of Venezuela? I wouldn't say that to their faces, they're pretty busy trying to not starve to death right now.

The citizens of Venezuela are not starving because socialism is inherently bad. If that were true, then the citizens of America would be starving just as much. Social security, medicare, the army, the roads, the sewers, the police, the fire fighters are all socialist programs. Your assertion that socialism causes starvation is empirically false. The fact that you would assert such a ridiculous thing is a huge red flag. It is also the most grotesque example of oversimplification I've ever read.

I'm the official retitle..er.

"Gallery of the DELUSIONAL"

To see the whiny reaction of these leftists makes me embarrassed to be human. It's honestly like watching a 7-year-old spoiled brat throwing a tantrum. What a bunch of pathetic pussies....Trump will grab 'em.

Leftists, not liberals. Noam Chomsky is a liberal.

Dan8267 says

Leftists, not liberals. Noam Chomsky is a liberal.

Fair enough. Changed.

Dan8267 says

The citizens of Venezuela are not starving because socialism is inherently bad. If that were true, then the citizens of America would be starving just as much. Social security, medicare, the army, the roads, the sewers, the police, the fire fighters are all socialist programs. Your assertion that socialism causes starvation is empirically false.

Just as you pointed out with Communism, there are levels to socialism. And from what I've heard from those who have lived afar, we are one of the least socialist countries out there. I think your assertion is, how'd you put it:

Dan8267 says

is also the most grotesque example of oversimplification I've ever read.

NuttBoxer says

there are levels to socialism.

Wrong. Economics isn't a glass half full of socialism, a quarter communism, and a quarter capitalism. Economics is a bridge with structures that are socialist and other structures that are capitalist. You don't measure bridge design in percentages or levels. Furthermore, you are still basing your entire world view on an irrational emotional reaction to words and propaganda from the mid-20th century. Luckily this delusional word view of yours is not shared by Millennials. You try to pull that cold war bullshit on Millennials and they'll look at you like your crazy.

I used a trigger word, because I knew you would bite, and because you are under the delusion that socialism is good. Your "bridges" postulating is BS. I'll use something real, and not abstract. The government run grocery stores in Venezuela are socialist. Fixed prices that don't reflect market value, leading to massively inefficient delivery of goods where you stand in line all day for nothing. Free market(also called black market) stores. Accurately priced, and you get your goods immediately. Both exist in the largely socialist failed state of Venezuela.

What did you just do again...?

Dan8267 says

the most grotesque example of oversimplification I've ever read.

NuttBoxer says

I used a trigger word

If you think you are succeeding at trolling you are wrong.

NuttBoxer says

you are under the delusion that socialism is good.

So you think we should completely defund the military, the police, the fire departments, all public roadways, the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA? Unless your answer is a resounding yes, you are contradicting yourself and being hypocritical.

NuttBoxer says

Your "bridges" postulating is BS.

Contradiction is not counter-argument. I could just as easily simply respond to everything you say with "that's b.s.". You are adding nothing to the conversation, and so there is no need for me to respond to your baseless contradiction.

NuttBoxer says

The government run grocery stores in Venezuela are socialist.

Straw man argument. No one has ever argued that socialism should be used for everything.

Furthermore, government run stores with fixed prices are exactly NOT socialism. If individuals are paying for goods and services for themselves and no one else, that's CAPITALISM. It's just that the owners in Venezuela is the government. The people aren't collectively owning the goods. The government is owning and controlling the goods no different than a corporation with a monopoly. In effect, the government is a corporation and a private owner that controls the market. That's exactly what capitalism is.

Yes, capitalism and communism are the exact same economic model when taken to their logical end and purist form. The only difference is nomenclature. Do you call the owners government or corporation? The owners differ in name only.

A socialist system would be one in which no one pays for his or her individual food, but rather taxes are used to subsidized agriculture. This is exactly what Republicans do every year with the Farm bill (or Agricultural Act). If you really think that socialism is a terrible way to fund food, then petition Republicans to end all agricultural subsidizes. I'll support you on that. The Farm Bill is exactly an example of bad socialism and it should immediately be revoked.

However, the possibility that a strategy can be employed in inappropriate circumstances does not imply that there are no appropriate circumstances in which to employ said strategy.

NuttBoxer says

Fixed prices that don't reflect market value

Fixed prices have nothing to do with socialism. Once again, you are exposing your ignorance about the basics of the subject matter.

The largest socialist program in all of human history is the U.S. military. Are military costs fixed? 'Nuff said.

You really need to cut out all this foolishness.

NuttBoxer says

Free market

Free markets cannot exist under capitalism because the capitalists will always seek to control the markets in order to maximize their profits. Free markets are NOT markets in which the players are free to rig the market. The word "free" modifies the word "market", not the word "player". Free markets are markets free from any manipulation by any party including corporations.

So if you want free markets, you have to abandon capitalism.

Case in point: mortgage back security derivatives. Under capitalism, these were never "accurately priced". Your assertion that capitalism creates prices accuracy is empirically false. If observations of the universe contradict your theory, then it is your theory, not the universe, that is wrong.

NuttBoxer says

the largely socialist failed state of Venezuela

All states are socialist. America employs the tactic more than any other state in history. We spend the greatest percentage of our wealth on socialist programs, most particularly the military.

You should like those photos. You should savor these images of democrats feeling hurt, feeling despair.

After all, that was your real biggest reason for wanting Trump to win. Amiright ?

Revenge is sweet, yes ?

Making America Great Again ! Yeah !

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

I can't believe my boy with the baseball cap backwards supports clinton....he's just thinking he might have a shot with the fat bitch next to him..

marcus says you made your bed says

You should like those photos. You should savor these images of democrats feeling hurt, feeling despair.

After all, that was your real biggest reason for wanting Trump to win. Amiright ?

Revenge is sweet, yes ?

Making America Great Again ! Yeah !

Go easy Marcus. Trump supporters have a right to celebrate, especially after the polls guaranteed Trump would lose.

komputodo says

I can't believe my boy with the baseball cap backwards supports clinton.

I'm surprised he's not dressed as batman.

Strategist says

Trump supporters have a right to celebrate, especially after the polls guaranteed Trump would lose

Polls guaranteed ? 538 and the money had Trump at 30%. That's way better than they had Romney in 2012 in the days before the election.

Be honest. Say in 2020 there is a well contested race, and Trump or whomever the republican is predicted to win in a fairly close race, but the democrats win. Can you imagine liberals gloating over photos of crying republicans ?

marcus says you made your bed says

Polls guaranteed ? 538 and the money had Trump at 30%.

Yeah, but the polleters were paid and/or bullied into rigging the polls.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Yeah, but the polleters were paid and/or bullied into rigging the polls.

This is a ridiculous assertion. Consider:

A) THe polls showing CLinton ahead, may have helped her to lose.

B) And this is very much related to (A), the reason for the discrepancy between polls and outcome is obviously tied to turnout on the democrat side. In other words, the polls reflected accurately the percentage of people that would vote for HIllary over Trump, but they did not accurately reflect how low voter turnout would be among some (Hillary voting) cohorts.

See Logans threads on this, and stop being such an idiot.

Besides, what does this have to do with assholes getting pleasure out of seeing liberals crying ?

Found another reason Trump won...