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Dan8267 says

You're thinking of the Republicans outing CIA agent Valerie
Plame, whose assignments were to stop terrorists from getting loose
nukes, something that affects the very survivability of the human race.
That's right, Karl Rove and other top Republicans endangered the entire world by
outing the CIA agent who was stopping terrorists and rogue nations like North
Korea from getting nuclear weapons, and the Republicans did it for personal
political gain. That's treason.

Dude - you are not serious. Can't believe you are still banging the Valerie Plame drum.

It was Colin Powell's deputy (Richard Armitage) that inadvertantly leaked her name. Armitage was hardly a neocon or Iraq war advocate. He even let Scooter Libby hang out to dry - further blowing a hole in your conspiracy theory it was all about Bush/Cheney and Rove trying to punish Joe Wilson and his wife.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/leak.armitage/

Speaking of Joe Wilson - factcheck.org shows that it was Joe who was stretching the truth and not Bush.
http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_16_words_on_iraq_uranium.html

The rest of your post is just crazy talk about "million dead Iraqis" and dumb black/white thinking "Mannings/Good - Republicans/Evil".

socal2 says

Dude - you are not serious. Can't believe you are still banging the Valerie Plame drum.

Unlike Republicans, educated liberals don't have such short memories. The outing of the CIA agent most directly responsible for making sure the bad guys don't get nuclear weapons was the greatest betrayal of America and the largest threat to America's national security in all of history.

You need to start getting your info from places other than Fox News and Conservative Radio.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ggs8lyBsFA0
http://www.youtube.com/embed/fXLnFRgO_Kw
http://www.youtube.com/embed/BCHZHFSYmy0

If you truly cared about American lives and national security, you'd be drumming the Valerie Plame drum, too. The current crisis in North Korea is a direct result of this betrayal.

zzyzzx says

The Stylebook no longer sanctions the term 'illegal immigrant' or the use of 'illegal' to describe a person

Partial true.. they are full LEGAL CITIZENS of Mexico. Honduras, China or what ever.
But that will do little to prevent these legal foreign citizens from being shipped back to
their native country.

KarlRoveIsScum says

socal2 says

Dude - you are not serious. Can't believe you are still banging the Valerie Plame drum.

Dude, it's called TREASON!

Do you you need more?

Uh huh - and who actually got indicted on TREASON despite having a special prosecutor spend years on this case throwing journalists and white house assistants in jail?

They found nothing despite their political witch hunt. Fact Check.Org blows apart Joe Wilson's lies about yellow-cake that started this whole mess in the first place.

The "leaker" was Richard Armitage who was Collin Powell's subordinate in the State Department.

There is no there there - except for the dwindling band of foolish troofers who really seem to believe that our country's leaders going back to Clinton made all this shit up about Saddam.

socal2 says

The rest of your post is just crazy talk about "million dead Iraqis" and dumb black/white thinking "Mannings/Good - Republicans/Evil".

yep... that Dan alright.. even though the count of the dead is only 100,000 with half being dead insurgents/ terrorists and Iraqi national forces. But what else do you expect from the propaganda machine ?

Dan8267 says

If you truly cared about American lives and national security, you'd be
drumming the Valerie Plame drum, too. The current crisis in North Korea is a
direct result of this betrayal.

Ha ha! You ARE insane!

I bet you paid good money to watch their movie starring Sean Penn.

Dan8267 says

A public official performing a public job duty for the public using public authority should not have privacy.

now compare that to Dans prior comments that Clinton's impeachment was a witch hunt and Billy Bobs actions were his business and no one else's business what Clinton did...

Hypocrisy..

This thread is proof that nothing gets inside the conservative bubble. Bill Clinton got a blow job from a fat chick in the oval office. Impeach him. Karl Rove and the Republican leadership interfere with CIA operations preventing terrorists and enemy states from getting nukes. Stop banging that drum already.

'Nuff said.

KarlRoveIsScum says

This Bill Clinton thing is officially O.V.E.R!

Is blaming Bush over yet?

Dan8267 says

The current crisis in North Korea is a direct result of this betrayal.

I'm thinking that the current North Korean crisis is FDR's fault. He's the one that decided that it was OK to give part of Korea to the Soviet Union.

And then the racist KarlRoveIsScum comes along and proves that there are batshit crazy people on the left as well in their own bubble.

zzyzzx says

Dan8267 says

The current crisis in North Korea is a direct result of this betrayal.

I'm thinking that the current North Korean crisis is FDR's fault. He's the one that decided that it was OK to give part of Korea to the Soviet Union.

Well, let's say that's true and FDR should have insisted on an independent Korea. FDR was still 100% right on the New Deal and the Progressive reforms. And isn't that, not Korea, what you really hate about FDR, that he was a progressive and he created the middle class.

zzyzzx says

KarlRoveIsScum says

This Bill Clinton thing is officially O.V.E.R!

Is blaming Bush over yet?

People like Bush and Hitler who commit crimes against humanity should never be forgotten or forgiven. The negative impact they make on the world is never over, so no amount of time can erase their sins.

No person was ever harmed by Bill Clinton getting a blow job from that fat whore Lewinsky. In fact, plenty of people on both the left and the right made fistfuls of cash over this ridiculous scandal. And the fact that it still garners any attention when there are things so much more important in the word demonstrates exactly why America is a stupid, stupid country full of stupid, stupid people. No wonder Honey Boo Boo is so popular.

zzyzzx says

KarlRoveIsScum says

This Bill Clinton thing is officially O.V.E.R!

Is blaming Bush over yet?

Not until there is another repub president to blame...

Liberal: adj. 1. a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

Thank god for that liberal bias or we would all be lighting our kerosene lamps at night warding off vampires and witches.

Dan8267 says

People like Bush and Hitler who commit crimes against humanity should never be
forgotten or forgiven.

People who put Bush and Hitler in the same sentence as some sort of moral equivalence should never be given sharp utensils or be allowed to drive cars.

Why do you keep insisting on sounding like a total loon Dan??! It is just so painfully dumb when you say stuff like that.

Let's say Bush is responsible for every last death in Iraq since 2003 (roughly 100,000 people). Shouldn't that ledger be adjusted by the millions he saved in Africa with his massive HIV/AIDS funding?

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-26/opinions/35487798_1_african-countries-pepfar-antiretroviral-treatment

socal2 says

People who put Bush and Hitler in the same sentence as some sort of moral
equivalence should never be given sharp utensils or be allowed to drive
cars.

Well sort of, comparing Bush to Hitler is an affront to Hitler.

The upcoming presidential election is about pandering to "hispanics". So just to be safe they'll try to not offend any single person out there.

Hillary is going to campaign on a feminist platform of electing women. While both parties are going to try to cater to hispanics. Watch the dog and pony show.

socal2 says

People who put Bush and Hitler in the same sentence as some sort of moral equivalence should never be given sharp utensils or be allowed to drive cars.

Seems like the exact same kind of dehumanization to me. Exactly what is the difference?

FortWayne says

The upcoming presidential election is about pandering to "hispanics".

you mean Mexican citizens who are still the responsibility of the Mexican Govt.

Dan8267 says

Seems like the exact same kind of dehumanization to me. Exactly what is the difference?

the terrorist captured are far worst than anyone of Hitlers cronies. extracting information to capture other members of their organization and leadership was
worth it. these terrorist have no humanity as they were killing men women and children... they are no different than Pol Pot Hitler, Stalin and others that have been stopped. Good let them bleed... let all their victims take vengeance.

the world is a better place today....

thomaswong.1986 says

Good let them bleed... let all their victims take vengeance.

the world is a better place today....

Damn, that sounds exactly what Hitler said about the Jews.

I suppose it doesn't matter to you that the vast majority of those who suffered in Gitmo and other gulags were innocent.

thomaswong.1986 says

these terrorist have no humanity as they were killing men women and children.

And now that America has done exactly the same, do we have no humanity?

Seems like the exact same kind of unrestrained blood-lust and dehumanization of the enemy. Thank you for proving my point.

So Hillary was an afterthought in all of that..
Spoken like a true misogynist...

Dan8267 says

No person was ever harmed by Bill Clinton getting a blow job from that fat whore Lewinsky

SoftShell says

So Hillary was an afterthought in all of that..

Spoken like a true misogynist...

What a laugh. Like you have anything but the greatest animosity towards Hilary Clinton. Hey, how about you vote for her when she runs in 2016.

Oh, and Hilary's political career was helped by the whole Lewinsky scandal. She came out looking like a sympathetic and in control person. Notice that her career has skyrocketed since.

Dan8267 says

I suppose it doesn't matter to you that the vast majority of those who suffered in Gitmo and other gulags were innocent.

"vast majority" and that would be by "your standards" i guess.

Dan8267 says

And now that America has done exactly the same, do we have no humanity?

Seems like the exact same kind of unrestrained blood-lust and dehumanization of the enemy. Thank you for proving my point.

you mean your rooting for the other guys.. no doubt you see them as some heroes.

nope.. no surprise coming from Dan on that one...

I'm rooting for humanity and rationality. I suppose those principles would be the enemy to someone like you who maintains a Stone Age tribal mentality. Such narrow-minded thinking is the greatest threat to the continuation of our species in modern times. There's only one tribe on this planet: humanity.

Dan8267 says

I'm rooting for humanity and rationality. I suppose those principles would be the enemy to someone like you who maintains a Stone Age tribal mentality. Such narrow-minded thinking is the greatest threat to the continuation of our species in modern times. There's only one tribe on this planet: humanity.

where was your so called "humanity and rationality" when George Zimmerman shot Trevor Martin in self defense.. all you showed how narrow minded you were attacking Zimmerman from day 1.

you were here on PNET posting lies if not spreading lies, calling the whole incident racist... calling Zimmerman a murder, stalker, liar, white racist and many other things.

And a month later photos were released and evidence of attack was provided to the public.

Like so many things.. you have been wrong time and time again...Oh you just couldnt help yourself! Check with the North Koreans.. they might have a job for you !

thomaswong.1986 says

where was your so called "humanity and rationality" when George Zimmerman shot Trevor Martin in self defense..

You mean when he stalked Martin like an animal, chased after him, and then lied to the police about it? You mean how Zimmerman, the only armed person in the situation, was unable to keep Martin at a distance when he chased after Martin, and how Zimmerman had to shoot in self-defense while Martin was screaming for help from anyone?

If Zimmerman were black and Martin white, you'd switch sides. I wouldn't.

Oh, and by the way, I called for the arrest and open trial of Zimmerman, not his torture.

http://www.businessinsider.com/witnesses-told-police-george-zimmerman-chased-trayvon-martin-down-before-shooting-him-2012-5

George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin before shooting the "skinny" 17-year-old and any scuffle was over by the time a shot was fired, according to some witnesses.

Two women who heard someone screaming for help before Martin died told Florida investigators Zimmerman followed the teen before killing him.

"And I can tell you there was no fighting going on at the time the gun went off," one of the women, identified only as W16, told police. "And the fight that happened started way down the sidewalk. Now the kid got shot way down here, you know, 5 doors down."

Never let facts get in the way of your hate.

While the biased liberal media continually discusses the death of 1 black, thousands of blacks and a disproportionate number of whites have been murdered by blacks since Trayvon died. It would be racist to mention this fact though.

Trayvon Martin died because he made verbal threats to commit murder and committed a plausible attempt to get the gun to murder George Zimmerman. Anyone forfeits their life when you attempt to steal a firearm and say "You're going to die tonight motherfucker" after beating him and pinning an armed person on the ground.

If there were 2 different locations between the assault and shooting, there would be physical evidence being shown on the biased liberal media to prove it, not the account of 2 witnesses.

Zimmerman said that Martin asked, "You got a fucking problem, homie?" Zimmerman replied no, and then Martin said that he did now, and punched him.
As they struggled on the ground, Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top of him, Zimmerman yelled for help "probably 50 times." (See Background sounds of yelling for help in 9-1-1 calls) Martin told him to "Shut the fuck up," as he hit him in the face and pounded his head on a concrete sidewalk.
When Zimmerman tried to move off the concrete, Martin saw his gun and said "You're going to die tonight motherfucker!" Martin grabbed for the gun, but Zimmerman grabbed it first. He said after firing his weapon at Martin, he wasn't sure at first that he had hit him, so he got on top of him in order to subdue him.
Bystanders and police arrived shortly after Martin was shot.

Police reports state Zimmerman "appeared to have a broken and a bloody nose and swelling of his face."

I understand...
If i was a mysogynist i'd try to laugh it off and change the subject too....
You are guilty as charged.

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

So Hillary was an afterthought in all of that..

Spoken like a true misogynist...

What a laugh. Like you have anything but the greatest animosity towards Hilary Clinton. Hey, how about you vote for her when she runs in 2016.

Oh, and Hilary's political career was helped by the whole Lewinsky scandal. She came out looking like a sympathetic and in control person. Notice that her career has skyrocketed since.

Dan8267 says

Never let facts get in the way of your hate.

Nothing you stated were 'facts'.
In both sides, it seems like "facts" that support each others claim.
Sure did seem to trickle in Johny come lately.
I mean we see, Zimmerman's bloody face, months after the police station video showed a reasonably neat appearing Zimmerman getting out of the squad car. I'd like to know when the photo's of his bloody face was taken. If it was taken inside of the police station, after he arrived then that's bullshit.

That being said...

As for Witnesses, their memory of recounting the event, sure improved as time wore on. It's amazing how embellished it became with each retelling.

Washington had no damn business, politicizing the event. Obama using the sad event as campaigning fodder. Running around the country riling people up, peeling the scab back on race relations in this country and letting the whole thing bleed out. All the while ignoring his obligations, and responsibilities to perform his duties. Oh like creating a budget, and steering us from the financial cliff.

The whole fucking thing is and was botched from start to finish. So much so, if I were the judge, I'd throw the whole case out.

What difference does it make at this point? Southern California is now Mexico whether the Hispanic population is legal or illegal, the culture is here. I bought an English/Spanish dictionary so I could try to communicate with some of those beautiful Latin women. "como estas benita"? : D

Dan8267 says

If Zimmerman were black and Martin white, you'd switch sides. I wouldn't.

That's how we test our own objectivity, n'est-ce pas? I feel like the right always wants to thugify the victims when they're minorities. And in the case of undocumented workers, calling them "illegal" can justify all sorts of inhumanity.

Do folks who wants an end to "illegals flooding our borders" picture brown-skinned people? Asians? Canadians?

I knew a few Germans/Austrians who let their visas expire. I don't think the right is targeting them as criminals.

CL says

I don't think the right is targeting them as criminals.

I had a good Isreali friend who over stayed and was eventually deported.
I also knew a lady, who had a British boy friend he was deported.
And unlike Hispanics, who only come up for deportation, when they are snagged in some other police action, traffic citation ect... In both of these cases, the INS showed up at their house and whisked them away.
It happens every day, there's just no body speaking about the "injustice", because there was no bloody injustice. They were "Illegal Aliens" at that point.

There do you feel better now?

robertoaribas says

yes it would be racist. Because it has nothing to do with this particular
case, and rather is used to imply that all blacks are dangerous thugs...

My statement was meant to draw attention to the fact that blacks kill blacks all the time yet 0 of them ever make front page news for more than a year like the Trayvon Martin death has. It is also a fact that this would not be national media news if TM was not black or the media initially thought GZ was not white.

There are far more numerous and unfathomably brutal crimes committed by blacks against whites(knoxville horror for instance) that receive 0 national attention. You'd be hard pressed to find a torture killing of a black by a white though.

robertoaribas says

AND zimmerman can't start a fight

All GZ said was the word "no" in response to TM's profanity laden greeting and was assaulted. This is not starting a fight, it is called being a victim of assault. GZ also spoke to a non emergency police dispatcher, not the "police" that night. "We don't need you to do that" is not an order, lawful or otherwise. GZ was smart to follow his best judgement at that point in time.

To his reason why TM assaulted a stranger, there is strong evidence that TM was going to get high and this encounter would get in the way of that.
TM's parent and his girlfriend were out of the house and he was in possession of drug paraphernalia at the time. Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail is a popular drug among blacks when mixed with liquid codeine. It's called sippin sippin/sizzurp/purple drank. There was no iced tea and the TM family lawyers knew this but created a lie about the sizzurp ingredients.

CL says

And in the case of undocumented workers, calling them "illegal" can justify all sorts of inhumanity.

Do folks who wants an end to "illegals flooding our borders" picture brown-skinned people? Asians? Canadians?

I knew a few Germans/Austrians who let their visas expire. I don't think the right is targeting them as criminals.

that already happened before they stepped foot across the border. Another way looking at the illegals is they are victims of human trafficking that goes on by Mexican criminal organizations pulling in $3-5 Billion every year.

Crime
‘The New Mafia’: Human Trafficking Along U.S./Mexican Border Produces ‘Startling Pattern of Torture, Rape and Murder’

Brutal crimes crossing over the U.S. southern border from Mexico is the latest dangerous import threatening America’s cities. Growing cases of human trafficking, drug smuggling and violent acts are overwhelming law enforcement officials from Texas to California in scenes reminiscent of the days of organized crime waves orchestrated by professional criminal syndicates.

Is there a “new mafia” in America today?

The Daily:

A brutal new crime wave from Mexico is hitting America’s suburbs. Drug cartels and their heavily armed henchmen are moving into the house next door, torturing and imprisoning victims for profit in middle-class neighborhoods. Law enforcement agencies from Texas to Northern California report being overwhelmed by the surge of violence.

“Mexican drug cartels are in well over 200 cities here in the United States,” Gil Kerlikowske, the White House drug czar, told The Daily. When his boss, President Obama, meets with President Felipe Calderón of Mexico today in Washington, violence from the drug war will be at the top of the agenda.

One of the most disturbing and least discussed aspects of this new crime wave is the “drop houses” — rented homes that function as makeshift prisons where criminal gangs and human smugglers hold large numbers of victims for ransom. The phenomenon is centered in the Southwest, often in foreclosure-devastated suburbs, but is spreading across America.

“What we’re talking about is nightmares, the stuff of nightmares,” said Los Angeles-based special agent Jorge Guzman of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ”[It’s] playing out in suburban America — playing out all over America.”

Human Trafficking: Putting an End to Modern Day Slavery
Why is Human Trafficking Being Readily Ignored by Governments Around the World?

Human trafficking is a multi-billion dollar criminal empire, and most of it's victims are women and children. The U.S. state department estimated that nearly 1 million people (approximately 800,000) smuggled across international borders including the United States from Mexico. This is one of the biggest criminal enterprises that has literally taken over an entire planet making it an ever growing epidemic. The Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Albanian, and Mexican mafias (styled after the Italian mafia as far as organization and level of illegal business dealings) have their hand in this ever growing business of modern day slavery.

I take GZ's account to be accurate because it is plausible that TM did exactly what GZ said TM did. As a middle class white person, you're thinking its impossible to punch someone in the face. To young black males, it is a normal way of life.

It is not plausible that GZ planned to murder a stranger and called for police to show up right before pulling the trigger. This is illogical.

Given the fact that TM punched a bus driver and his since deleted degenerate online postings, it is a good bet that TM was a violent petty thug who bit off more than he could chew.

I hear no accounts in the media from TM's peers, friends and others who dealt with him at school/the neighborhood about what type of person he was. You only hear from his parents stating that he was a good boy who couldn't possibly hurt anyone, which is fairly typical banter from the relatives of dead black criminals.