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I would say that you have no point in the real world.

I doubt there is a street/neighborhood with a majority of black Harvard professors.

My point is that even a distinguished black Harvard professor is still an African at heart, but they hide their true nature much better than the average black. Henry Gates knows he let his instincts take over when he began acting uncivilized.

This is another, more comical example:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/m1gUdxOxsKg

So intelligence has nothing to do with it then. You negatively judge all black people irrespective of their individual characteristics. You are simply an out and out racist hiding behind some extremely debatable research on what constitutes intelligence. Thanks for the clarification.

foxmannumber1 says

I judge people by their intelligence. Intelligence is the single most desirable trait in the modern world.

Asians have an average IQ if 107. Whites have an average IQ of 100. Hispanics/latinos/mestizos have an average IQ of 90. American blacks have an average IQ 85. Purebred sub saharan africans have an average IQ of 70. These numbers are genetic and unchangeable by 'nurture'.

There is no benefit for a more intelligent person to associate with a less intelligent person. There is benefit for a less intelligent person to associate with a more intelligent person. These 2 facts create conflict when the more intelligent attempt to avoid the less intelligent.

Many autistic people or those with Asberger's have relatively high IQs, and are able to do things with their minds that are impossible for normal white or Asian people. However I doubt you would find them to be great neighbors or seek them out to be friends. They're usually very self-centered and not good at either conversation or social issues. I don't know crime statistics for this group but I don't think that's an issue.
Psychopaths are also often intelligent, and they use their superior minds to wreak havoc either physical or psychological among the people who encounter them.

Point is: intelligence alone is a poor instrument of divining human worth.
I submit that empathy is a better metric of social compatibility.

By endorsing the top 10% of blacks, you are also endorsing and enabling the negative behavior the bottom 90% of blacks as well. It's simply not worth it to invest in such a small group of 4 million people. You will get a much better societal and personal ROI by putting your efforts solely into Whites.

http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/reflections-of-a-racist-father/

Read this. It's a good article on why whites should never interact with blacks, but more on the personal relationship side.

foxmannumber1 says

By endorsing the top 10% of blacks, you are also endorsing and enabling the negative behavior the bottom 90% of blacks as well. It's simply not worth it to invest in such a small group of 4 million people. You will get a much better societal and personal ROI by putting your efforts solely into Whites.

http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/reflections-of-a-racist-father/

Read this. It's a good article on why whites should never interact with blacks, but more on the personal relationship side.

You know, I'm fairly intelligent, IQ133 at last test, which isn't exceptional by any means but also is well above average. And I find social interactions with well-adjusted black people to be stimulating on an emotional plane. Black people have an easy grace to their social lives that white people and Asian people usually lack. Having had a few good friends who were black and meeting and conversing with black people throughout my adult life, I'd say I'd rather meet a new black person than a new white person. They're more likely to be someone friendly and sociable.
While intellectual conversation is very stimulating, it doesn't reach the heart, which is our truest, most authentic self. I'd rather socialize with someone with a good heart and lower intelligence than someone with high intelligence and no heart.

Quigley says

Many autistic people or those with Asberger's have relatively high IQs, and are able to do things with their minds that are impossible for normal white or Asian people

Using anecdotal evidence provided by small populations with other genetic disorders shows me that you have no argument against the average populations I'm talking about.

foxmannumber1 says

By endorsing the top 10% of blacks, you are also endorsing and enabling the negative behavior the bottom 90% of blacks as well. It's simply not worth it to invest in such a small group of 4 million people. You will get a much better societal and personal ROI by putting your efforts solely into Whites.

http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/reflections-of-a-racist-father/

Read this. It's a good article on why whites should never interact with blacks, but more on the personal relationship side.

You are a very sad example of a human being but at least there's no need for you to hide behind your intelligence 'argument' anymore. You are an unreconstructed racist plain and simple. Own it. You judge people entirely based on the colour of their skin. Intelligence is not the determinant of association for you. It is colour. I presume you have a white wife, possibly (white) kids and white friends. You made the claim earlier that there was no benefit in associating with anyone less intelligent than yourself. Unless you have been remarkably lucky in finding only people of equal or greater intelligence than yourself (and who don't share your views about who to associate with), I suggest that you are utterly full of shit about how you determine who to mix with.

I am what you consider a racist. I call myself a 'race realist' though.

If you're going back to the 'color of their skin' argument then you haven't read anything I've said.

foxmannumber1 says

Quigley says

Many autistic people or those with Asberger's have relatively high IQs, and are able to do things with their minds that are impossible for normal white or Asian people

Using anecdotal evidence provided by small populations with other genetic disorders shows me that you have no argument against the average populations I'm talking about.

To go general, lower intelligence populations also need jobs to feel good about themselves and be productive and psychologically healthy. Unfortunately we've shipped most of those jobs overseas and replaced them with welfare. The psychopathic CEOs and shareholder-conscious boards of thousands of companies have eliminated jobs and then give political contributions to candidates and parties who will blame the unemployed for their predicament. It's sick and wrong, much like your twisted political philosophy. You take truth and pervert it in an attempt to validate falsehood.

I agree with everything you said except your opinion on my political philosophy.

I take fact and repeat it.

foxmannumber1 says

I am what you consider a racist. I call myself a 'race realist' though.

If you're going back to the 'color of their skin' argument then you haven't read anything I've said.

Oh, I've read what you said. The colour of a person's skin being black is clearly the issue for you irrespective of their intelligence.

foxmannumber1 says

I agree with everything you said except your opinion on my political philosophy.

I take fact and repeat it.

The 'facts' that you state are still highly contentious issues in the academic community.

tatupu70 says

Oh, no. Not any supply creates its own demand guy. Hasn't the supply side cult given up yet? Capital does NOT create jobs. For god's sake, look at the current situation--the country is awash in money. Interest rates are ridiculously low. Where are the jobs??

I am not speaking of QE capital. That's a different story. Because like you and I agreed with the rich or those who have money place their money into stocks. bonds, houses, just assets in general they don't place it in companies (well they do but they do for other reasons) or start up new businesses and etc all which help creates jobs.

tatupu70 says

You're actually almost on the right track there. The wealth gap increases because those with the capital are getting rewarded over those who only have their own labor to offer. The way to fix that is to reward labor over capital.

I guess we can agree some here. But you're about 1/2 right. But as I said previously capital does promote job grow but the problem is it's not promoting the right economic growth. What we have now is a promotion of asset inflation, thanks to once again QE and low interest rates.

tatupu70 says

First--unions don't affect prices. They bargain for wage and benefits. Second--how do you determine what a job is worth? Is it the added value that the job creates? The added value minus some % that goes to the owner?

Oh that's simple, the market. And yes Unions affect prices because they rise cost among workers who have not increased any value to businesses or organization. Prices aren't risen by a lot compared to QE or low interest rates but they do raise when you raise state or national minimum wages slightly. But usually it is sometimes off-set by massive layoffs or cutback in work hours due to high cost of labor. So either way you get higher unemployment, underemployment, or a small rise in prices and QE plus low interest rates just makes matters worst.

tatupu70 says

You really don't get it. In the real world, people are paid based on their negotiating power and how well they wield it. In any event, if the cost of living increases based on easy money, that implies that you should be raising your prices.

Oh you know what you're absolute right. But in reality it's the market that sets the price as employees and employees negotiate salaries, benefits, and what not. Not the damn unions who will literally hold a company or organization hostage if they don't get their way.

tatupu70 says

History disagrees with you. The time period when unions were strong was a great period in US economic history.

Technically, the greatest economic period in the History of the U.S. occurred during the gilded age, a little before the unions became. But even when they arrived during the progressive era economic growth was still strong but the difference then was the central bank was created in 1913 and after that things just began going down hill as purchasing power became less and less as the years and decades went by.

Yes, the gilded age did wield poverty but part of that is also due to the massive influx of immigration to the states. But even with poverty then America's economy was skyrocketing thanks to a ton of businesses and innovations created.

But unlike today we have the wealthy getting rich but economic growth is still sub-par nothing like how it was in the gilded age. We haven't made or created anything new (other than Facebook and internet companies), national infrastructure is the worst as its ever been, and I bet the people are in higher poverty today more so than we were in the gilded age. However; a lot of the numbers are hidden because we do have social programs (Most of them we cannot afford) that doesn't truly tell us how bad things really are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_United_States#The_Gilded_Age:_1865.E2.80.931900

Oh let me just add one other thing. We do have our government subsidizing corporations or industries (e.g. Banking, Energy, Oil, Higher education, etc), that is something we also need to be rid of as it shifts capital from labor to these crappy businesses that really needs to left alone to fail or thrive on their own.

So you see yes we need capital but the capital that goes into labor, that goes in to job creation, that goes into businesses, that goes into Manufacturing, that goes into R&D, and not capital that promotes asset inflation which is what we have now and where all the capital is going to. You have the idea that money needs to go to labor, job growth and etc but you have it all wrong. The real culprit is the central bank, government, and the demanding of unions who will shutdown operations if they don't get their way.

People like spydah want us to return to the bad old days of 1890-1910 when work days were 12-14 hours, pay was so small that both parents and their children had to work to keep the family fed, conditions were absolutely squalid, and the rich robber barons ran the country with an iron fist.
Theodore Roosevelt began the change by standing up to the rich bullies like Rockefeller. That age was only gilded for the wealthy super minority.

Bigsby says

The 'facts' that you state are still highly contentious issues in the academic community.

IQ tests are repeatable and predictable across all socioeconomic spectrums. Poor whites outperform rich blacks all the time. IQ tests are the best test for intelligence that we currently have.

Academia is overrun with liberals who want nothing more than to close the achievement gap. After trillions of dollars, preferential treatment and outright cheating(Atlanta Public Schools is just the tip of the iceberg), that gap has not closed.

There is no evidence to suggest that the intelligence gap between Whites and blacks is not genetic. Publicly claiming this will ruin your career though, which is why some call it contentious.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/22/wide-racial-gap-persists-in-testing.html

Quigley says

People like spydah want us to return to the bad old days of 1890-1910 when work days were 12-14 hours, pay was so small that both parents and their children had to work to keep the family fed, conditions were absolutely squalid, and the rich robber barons ran the country with an iron fist.

Theodore Roosevelt began the change by standing up to the rich bullies like Rockefeller. That age was only gilded for the wealthy super minority.

Yeah right I do... Since i am you know rich and all and control you peons.... *rollseyes*

Quigley says

Now, due to their social nets being wider and deeper, blue states also have much higher numbers of the poor they must feed and house and provide medical care for.

Apparently you've never lived in some of these red states. I'm originally from one of them. The poor in places like this aren't fewer...just ignored. On the contrary, they are more numerous per capita. Ever been to Louisiana or Alabama?

foxmannumber1 says

There is no evidence to suggest that the intelligence gap between Whites and blacks is not genetic. Publicly claiming this will ruin your career though, which is why some call it contentious.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/09/22/wide-racial-gap-persists-in-testing.html

So post up the research that proves that blacks have less innate intellectual ability than whites as a consequence of genetics.

Your initial question is dishonest.

Your question should read 'hypothetical' circumstance. There is no proof that a such street exists in the real world.

I addressed your hypothetical question in this post:

http://patrick.net/?p=1230637&c=1013820#comment-1013820

The short answer is it's not worth the personal and financial cost for a White to interact with any black.

The only fear I have of blacks is being a victim of their violent crime. Blacks are far more likely to commit violence overall, and far more likely to commit violence against Whites than Whites are to commit violence against blacks.
This suggests that blacks are targeting Whites for their violent crimes because they are White.

1. No, I would not move to this fictional street with those black professors because the risk/reward ratio is not in my favor. Even well to do blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

2. Skin color is the primary indicator of race and race is the primary indicator of intelligence. If in some bizarro reversed world where the races were reversed, I would be against the less intelligent whites.

foxmannumber1 says

Q tests are repeatable and predictable across all socioeconomic spectrums. Poor whites outperform rich blacks all the time. IQ tests are the best test for intelligence that we currently have.

Whole lot of ignorance going on in this post. The smartest guy in my all male high school was an African American, even more than the rich white guys that went to Yale and Brown in our class. He ran circles around the rest of us intellectually. Got a full ride scholarship to Johns Hopkins in Biomedical Engineering, even though his parents were well off. Today, an orthopedic surgeon. He could have gone anywhere, independent of his race.

The year before, our all state QB (African American) got a full ride at Harvard and his parents were poor. He is now a high powered attorney. The year before, another African American went to Stanford and was the general counsel of an NBA team.

You don't get into those schools if you aren't smart, even with affirmative action.

It's all about environment.

Anecdotal evidence is worthless.

No one is saying all of those that are predominately sub saharan African are unintelligent. Just the vast majority of them.

I would also say that the products of miscegenation are more intelligent than the sub Saharan African parent.

and your IQ is 4
foxmannumber1 says

I judge people by their intelligence. Intelligence is the single most desirable trait in the modern world.

Asians have an average IQ if 107. Whites have an average IQ of 100. Hispanics/latinos/mestizos have an average IQ of 90. American blacks have an average IQ 85. Purebred sub saharan africans have an average IQ of 70. These numbers are genetic and unchangeable by 'nurture'.

There is no benefit for a more intelligent person to associate with a less intelligent person. There is benefit for a less intelligent person to associate with a more intelligent person. These 2 facts create conflict when the more intelligent attempt to avoid the less intelligent.

foxmannumber1 says

Anecdotal evidence is worthless.

Good one! So is your race-based hypothesis. Take two kids, one Caucasian and one African American, and make one rich and the other poor. The rich kids nearly always outperform the poor.

Your eugenics argument was used by many, including the Nazis and has debunked over and over again by science.

It's proven that poor whites and Asians outperform rich blacks in intelligence tests.

I agree than a good intelligence test score is not a guarantee of good life performance though.

foxmannumber1 says

No one is saying all of those that are predominately sub saharan African are unintelligent. Just the vast majority of them.

My wife is from Europe. The greatest percentage of immigrants gaining entrance into med school where she lived were from...sub Saharan Africa.

You take people from one background, put them in a certain environment, and they excel, while others in the opposite fail.

Didn't you ever see Trading Places?

Europe, huh? That's like talking about North America in some general way: worthless.

spydah_hh says

I am not speaking of QE capital.

Huh? There is no distinction between "QE" capital and non-"QE" capital. That makes no sense.

spydah_hh says

But as I said previously capital does promote job grow but the problem is it's not promoting the right economic growth. What we have now is a promotion of asset inflation, thanks to once again QE and low interest rates.

Again--that makes no sense. With low interest rates, capital should flow toward productive opportunities and fund new businesses. The fact that it isn't happening proves that those opportunities don't exist. And that's because consumers have no money, and therefore no demand.

spydah_hh says

And yes Unions affect prices because they rise cost among workers who have not increased any value to businesses or organization

The market sets prices. Cost is independent of price.

spydah_hh says

But in reality it's the market that sets the price as employees and employees negotiate salaries, benefits, and what not. Not the damn unions who will literally hold a company or organization hostage if they don't get their way.

So, negotiating wages is OK as long as the company has the upper hand?? When employees band together to try to even the playing field, that's holding an organization "hostage"?? Givem me a break.

spydah_hh says

But even when they arrived during the progressive era economic growth was still strong but the difference then was the central bank was created in 1913 and after that things just began going down hill as purchasing power became less and less as the years and decades went by.

Real wages increased steadily until the Reagan--when labor took a back seat to capital and the supply side BS began.spydah_hh says

You have the idea that money needs to go to labor, job growth and etc but you have it all wrong. The real culprit is the central bank, government, and the demanding of unions who will shutdown operations if they don't get their way.

The biggest issues are wealth disparity and the trade imbalance. Fix those and things would look up pretty quickly. Blaming unions is a ridiculous assertion brought to you by the Koch Bros. (among others). Strong unions are exactly what we need right now.

People say Jewish and Asian people are very smart and have high IQs. That's BS. I can show you slackers in both groups that dispel this notion.

Each group places a high amount of emphasis on education and working hard. It's culturally ingrained, which is environmental, not genetic.

Ironically, foxmannumber1 illustrates why so many red-state people want to secede. It's been over 150 years since the Civil War and the slave states are still obsessed with race. One and a half centuries and America is still divided along the same damn lines.

Same damn map.

You can show more anecdotal evidence while ignoring the other 99.9% of the population.

Dan8267 says

Ironically, foxmannumber1 illustrates why so many red-state people want to secede. It's been over 150 years since the Civil War and the slave states are still obsessed with race. One and a half centuries and America is still divided along the same damn lines.

All those southern red states are 30-40% black as well, who vote democrat 99% of the time.
It's as if Whites living around blacks makes the Whites conservative.

foxmannumber1 says

Europe, huh? That's like talking about North America in some general way: worthless.

No, it isn't at all. Europe is much better equipped to offer educational opportunities to the poor than the US. I had this discussion last night at the bar with my friends from Spain.

When you get nearly a free education at universities in Spain vs paying $100K over 4 years here, that comparison isn't worthless. It is environmental.

As a percentage, the average immigrant has a much higher percentage likelihood of getting a college degree in Spain or Germany than the US.

Dan8267 says

Who generated the electoral map? Rootvg?

foxmannumber1 says

You can show more anecdotal evidence while ignoring the other 99.9% of the population.

My anecdotal evidence is better than any legitimate study that you can offer (which you can't because you would be laughed off stage at an academic conference).

Obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/VYy77IGsBFc

The average immigrant does not go to college at all. More anecdotal evidence. Those immigrants who do go to college drop out at a rate higher than the White native.

A current citizen, not the immigrant, is paying for that education attempt. It is not free.

Money in education causes the potential student to be discriminated against due to their intelligence. They will only get the education if they show merit, making it financially worthwhile to even attempt.

Waitingtobuy says

My anecdotal evidence is better than any legitimate study that you can offer (which you can't because you would be laughed off stage at an academic conference).

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GA0XLxG2o2E

Rushton stood proud and delivered his well researched facts. Suzuki used emotion and produced no logical argument.

All you need to know about that "professor" is in this article:
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/06/leading_race_scientist_dies_in_canada/

Intelligence and genital size are inversely correlated.

Brilliant!

foxmannumber1 says

The average immigrant does not go to college at all. More anecdotal evidence. Those immigrants who do go to college drop out at a rate higher than the White native.

A current citizen, not the immigrant, is paying for that education attempt. It is not free.

Money in education causes the potential student to be discriminated against due to their intelligence. They will only get the education if they show merit, making it financially worthwhile to even attempt.

California State University is about $5500 per year plus books and parking. JC is less. A person who is disciplined can graduate with 4 year degree in a major that allows them to be easily employed and student loans that amount to less than a car payment.

The argument that college is free in European countries is disingenous, irrelevant, and a non starter.

foxmannumber1 says

Waitingtobuy says

My anecdotal evidence is better than any legitimate study that you can offer (which you can't because you would be laughed off stage at an academic conference).

Rushton stood proud and delivered his well researched facts. Suzuki used emotion and produced no logical argument.

Rushton is 99.99% correct and he's not the only one who has published his research on this subject.

the 0.01% is his theory on the root cause of the differences in IQ. it's not the cold weather. Africa is a much tougher environment to live compared to Asia and Europe (namely the lack of water, fertile land and disease free areas) that it makes the cold weather a minor issue.

btw, Suzuki only said that to look good and to promote his status among academic communities. deep down he knows what the truth is. same with other black defenders in this thread.