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AverageBear says

Yeah, well Nixon pretty much proposed/invented the EPA around 1970, which was "created for the purpose of protecting human health and the environment by writing and enforcing regulations based on laws passed by Congress", yet I don't see liberals falling over themselves in celebrating Nixon's efforts on this.. 'nuff said.....

Its not like Nixon was totally enthralled with the EPA when it passed. Ever since then the GOP has been trying its damnedest to have the powers of the EPA reduced. So if your narrative is about the supposed good-hearted, well-intentioned Republicans then your point is sort of pointless given how the GOP acts in regards to environmental protection.

Pretty much everything else on your list was in play well before not only the current administration, but well before the last, and the one before that. And so I find it ironic that you are somehow attaching these as things that have been "Un-done" since it wasn't this administrations.... "Doing" in the first place.

As far as the "wealth distribution" bullshit, when will that crap ever die? It never had a premise when it started other than some lame yakking point from the McCain campaign, and it doesn't have a premise now.

lastly, after this latest GOP/Tea Party induced debacle, where the shutdown THEY and THEY ALONE created, and did so despite even members of the GOP themselves saying the shutdown over Obamacare was doomed to fail, this cost the US economy something like over 20 BILLION dollars.

So anyone who thoughtlessly and unquestionably believes and follows every little whim that the GOP or Tea Party says has zero rational grounds to make any sort of claim against Democrats when their party themselves did more to damage the economy and take money out of people's pockets than the make-believe. hocus-pocus liberals they always like to blame things on as a means to detract from their own failings. So you want to complain about Redistribution? The GOP JUST DID THAT VERY THING!

In the end, the historical outcome is the same. Conservative Americans are wrong this time, every bit as wrong as they have always been in this country, and no matter how many times they use the same McCarthy-era scare tactics ( oooohhh! Communists/Socialists!", I personally take comfort in knowing that despite their noise they will lose. every. single. time. Just like they did last night, and just as they will going forward.

The neighbor next to me just recently made some bank selling to a Chinese Own-to-Renter. The seller was older and retired, so her timing was perfect. She listed at $549,000 and the buyer, with 50% down (from a bank in China) swooped in and overbid to $600,000.

Within a week after closing, and with doing absolutely nothing to the house (with dead weed pile in driveway remaining as evidence), put the house on Craigslist for $2,800 per month. He had an open-house and there were many visitors, but it's been two weeks and the only activity I've seen is him there every now and then with various pickup trucks from local engineering contractors. Not sure if he's fixing it up, or just fixing it.

Anyway, this is textbook Chinese investment. Time will tell how good or bad it was.

Nobody needs a mortgage anymore. Everyone (but me) has millions in cash and are buying homes straight-up.

It's different this time.

House flipping remains fruitful in Las Vegas, if not elsewhere

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2013/oct/16/house-flipping-remains-lucrative-las-vegas-drops-a/

Sure, their are fixers, but all flipping really does is take away the disposable income of the middle class, then the lipstick on the house wears off - back to the bank again, for whatever reason.

Mortgage applications did fall off a cliff when mortgage rates jolted upwards about 1 percent. But, this just sounds like the refinancing craze is over for now. To be completely honest, I don't know where people get the money, I really don't.

everything says

To be completely honest, I don't know where people get the money, I really don't.

I have that thought a lot here in San Francisco. Someone will reply, "Tech stocks" or something similar. But I'm looking at the median and average incomes and still wondering!

Many funds lately have exited the housing investments. There is no more money made, "recovery" is over.

That should probably be on the investment forum.

How could anything this awful have happened a full decade before Benghazicare?

bgamall4 says

BTW, Fox News reported about the Israelis taking the day off.

Are you implying that Bin Laden told Israel about the upcoming attack?

tatupu70 says

Are you implying that Bin Laden told Israel about the upcoming attack?

No - I think he is implying the Jooos told Bin Laden to attack the US.

The Jews don't even bother to lie about it. Al Franken was not in his WTC office that morning, and admits "Yep. I got the Jew call."

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Friday, October 18, 2013 __ Level is 98.3

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

Republicans and teabaggers have done nothing but visit monuments with veterans since the government re-opened, right?

finehoe says

Republicans and teabaggers have done nothing but visit monuments with veterans since the government re-opened, right?

Since monuments and air shows constitute the only legitimate activities of government: yes.

tatupu70 says

Are you implying that Bin Laden told Israel about the upcoming attack?

Maybe Bin Laden didn't want to be nuked by Israel.

Why is it that Hydrocarbon's posts come across as sounding less satirical than yours?

This sounds like a different version of this pile of BS: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why is it that Hydrocarbon's posts come across as sounding less satirical than yours?

Why is it that you never have anything of substance to say?

Why is it that you are a conspiracy nut devoid of actual facts to back up your outlandish claims?

bgamall4 says

tts says

This sounds like a different version of this pile of BS:

So, explain Fox News reporting that Jews were told to stay home.

Your source of definitive proof of an extraordinary claim is Fox News? Ha, ha, ha.

bgamall4 says

HydroCabron says

The Jews don't even bother to lie about it. Al Franken was not in his WTC office that morning, and admits "Yep. I got the Jew call."

I was unable to find this. Do you have a link or are you just crazy? If you have a link and are serious, I will apologize for calling you crazy ahead of time. We know many Jews stayed home on 9/11.

He is taking the piss out of you. You are so stupid that you can't even see that he is lampooning your posts.

bgamall4 says

400 out of 4000? Snopes proved nothing. Snopes is an idiotic website.

This is not a rebuttal. Its just name calling and denial.

Also Snopes is a good site because it always links it sources and its sources are usually pretty good 3rd parties.
bgamall4 says

So, explain Fox News reporting that Jews were told to stay home.

And this is shifting goal posts which is a fundamentally dishonest method of discussion.

But to answer your question: Fox News lies occasionally and has sued, and won, for the privilege to do so: http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why is that you are a conspiracy nut devoid of actual facts to back up your outlandish claims?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/11/24/fox-host-napolitano-is-a-9-11-truther-it-couldn/173763

That is what you take as evidence? Paint me utterly unsurprised.

A news host who is a 9/11 Truther and goes on Alex Jones' show to talk about it is not proof of a conspiracy.

That is at the very best hearsay.

bgamall4 says

Even Rivera, and the coach from the Seahawks can't believe the government explanation of WTC7 Wigsby.

OK never mind he has to be trolling us.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

He is taking the piss out of you. You are so stupid that you can't even see that he is lampooning your posts.

I don't give a crap what he is doing. I don't give a crap that you can't see WTC7 was loaded with explosives. I don't give a crap that you don't know about the Yinon Plan of regime change.

You forgot to mention that you don't give a crap about actual evidence as well.

bgamall4 says

Even Rivera, and the coach from the Seahawks can't believe the government explanation of WTC7 Wigsby.

The quality of your 'evidence' sure is impressive.

tts says

A news host who is a 9/11 Truther and goes on Alex Jones' show to talk about it is not proof of a conspiracy.

That is at the very best hearsay.

bgamall4 says

Even Rivera, and the coach from the Seahawks can't believe the government explanation of WTC7 Wigsby.

OK never mind he has to be trolling us.

Sadly, he isn't.

bgamall4 says

We have provided proof on this forum and it is there for everyone to see.

I looked at the "proof" the other 9/11 Truthers were presenting years ago and came away convinced these people were about reasonable as the TP'ers who push "black helicopter", chem-trail, and FEMA death camp conspiracies.

bgamall4 says

Snopes does not know. I will not click on a snopes link. They are discredited.

You want proof?

Now, three explosions with people injured prior to any tower falling.

Eyewitnesses, and Dan Rather was an eyewitness and he said it was explosions. These firefighters confirm he was telling the truth.

Perhaps you'd care to put that in context. What/When/Where? How does their claim relate to your claims etc. etc?

And by the way, eyewitness accounts are not proof, most especially when they fly in the face of all other evidence.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

The quality of your 'evidence' sure is impressive.

You rejected the real evidence. It is just that conservatives are starting to believe what the liberals and libertarians have been saying about 9/11. Just because your masters won't allow you to speak the truth doesn't mean others are no longer afraid.

Conspiracy nut gobbledygook.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

eyewitness accounts are not proof

Only in a court of law. Of course they are proof.

You are making an extraordinary claim and trying to use context free eye-witness reports from a couple of people as definitive proof. Of course it isn't proof, most especially when evidence from any reputable source directly contradicts your claims. Look, if you want to claim that a ridiculous Fox News report, a few puffs of smoke, and some out of context eye witness reports by traumatized individuals support your claims, then feel free to make that assertion, but don't try and pretend that that constitutes proof because it doesn't.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Your source of definitive proof of an extraordinary claim is Fox News? Ha, ha, ha.

Fox News is actually owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns popular mechanics. It is also the boss of William Kristol, a neocon who was privy to the false flag prediction on the PNAC website in 2000. That website said it was necessary to have a new Pearl Harbor. So when Fox people start going against Kristol and the neocons it is significant. Damn you are thick as a brick.

Damn, you are so far into your befuddled conspiracy theories it is staggering. I bet you watch Ancient Aliens on the History Channel and nod your head in total agreement.

bgamall4 says

bgamall4 says

If you don't start providing something of substance I am going to delete you. Doesn't the FBI pay you enough to fork over the 5 bucks?

Just kidding, don't get your panties in a wad, Bigs.

Except you aren't joking, you clown. You post that ridiculous shite about me all the time. Apparently anybody who doesn't lap up your idiocy must be paid by the government because you obviously can't comprehend the alternative possibility that most people who read your posts consider them to be laugh-out-loud nonsense.

To think the Mossad didn't know about 9/11 before hand is an insult to their intelligence.

Of course they did.

To think, BY FAR, the greatest intelligence agency in existence didn't know about 9/11 beforehand is quite frankly unfathomable and insulting to any thinking human being. Not possible. Not a chance.

If you think 9/11 was reported accurately by the 9/11 commission you are an idiot. Clearly things are not what they seem.

We deserved it. The US is a terrorist nation who got what it, sadly, deserved.

Dislike it all you want sheep.

CrazyMan says

Dislike it all you want sheep.

Perhaps Bgamall might also like to ask you to offer up some kind of evidence for your assertions. I somehow doubt he will though.

Oh come on. Do you really think we're innocent in all this? Do you really think Israeli intelligence didn't catch a word of something this big coming? Really? Come on.

We're the asshole in this world. Once you understand that it makes things much easier to understand.

CrazyMan says

Oh come on. Do you really think we're innocent in all this? Do you really think Israeli intelligence didn't catch a word of something this big coming? Really? Come on.

We're the asshole in this world. Once you understand that it makes things much easier to understand.

Evidence for your claims? You know, actual evidence that Israeli intelligence knew in advance. Merely stating something as your belief is not exactly persuasive. Just look at Bgamall's claims.

There's a ton dude, you'll just dismiss it as hyperbole.

Read up on it sometime http://lmgtfy.com/?q=israeli+intelligence+9%2F11

You're right though, they knew nothing.

They were completely oblivious.

NSA doesn't exist and our piece of shit govt. and businesses just do happy nice things aroud the world. They're all fucking saints.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Christ.

So let me get this straight, you link to a conspiracy website in an attempt to prove your conspiracy....