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bgamall4 says

Now, if you look, Bigs, you can tell it was pulled down because the floors remained constantly the same distance apart, yet squibs of smoke were still seen.

You clearly see the penthouse collapsing and that progressing across the top of the building obviously because there has been an internal collapse lower down. The rest of the building then follows. No sounds of detonation whatsoever.

bgamall4 says

And if they were thinking about pulling it and it was pulled, truth is it had to be armed previously, and that indeed happened. And if that happened they were all armed previously because they all had the same white smoke of detonation.

You have to laugh.

bgamall4 says

They were thinking about bringing a building down. They were thinking about pulling it. This is continually repeated.

No, it isn't. The video maker is shaping a handful of comments to fit their narrative. People running around at the time of the collapse saying things that you (they) are misconstruing as evidence. From what you are arguing, and as I stated in the long post that you deleted, you are arguing that virtually every Tom, Dick, and Harry running around on that day was in on the conspiracy (seeing as, in your opinion, they knew that a CD was about to take place). Quite the conspiracy that one.

bob2356 says

Ah yes, deleting my post again. The last refuge of the total asshole.

Why don't you want to find out the truth?

It seems he's pulling the trigger a lot today.

Call it Crazy says

homaswong.1986 says

HydroCabron says

My take: Obama should be in jail for Gitmo and the NSA.

Perfectly ok to jail terrorists.. be in Cuba or where ever. Foreigners are not protected by the US Constitution.

Dont bother attacking NSA, its a loser. Foreigners are not protected by the US Constitution.

So, are you saying it's OK to jail Obama because he's Kenyan??

President Obama isnt Guilty of any crime to warrant being jailed.

bgamall4 says

More than a few were told about the pulling of the WTC7 tower due to instability. Of course that is crap because pulling of the towers had to be preplanned. But people said they were told it would by pulled and you can see it was more than one. That is fact and you cannot deny it.

You argue nothing from no evidence. You are as corrupt a human being as I have ever come across. You are a cockroach Bigsby.

Complete nonsense. None of those people ran around and said explosives had been planted and that a CD was about to take place. Your video maker has simply selected a handful of comments out of the presumably many hundreds available because the language used is somewhat ambiguous. From that, you conjure up your nonsense.

And why did you delete my pretty long response to the videos you posted up? I dealt with what was shown.

Call it Crazy says

BoomAndBustCycle says

Hey moron! Humans procrastinate! Of course no healthy 20-somethings have rushed out to buy obamacare. They probably all planned on doing it at the last minute....

Or Not at all...... and pay the penalty instead....

Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.... The article in the OP specifically relates to only the people who need insurance NOW are signing up. These are the people who consume the most of the healthcare and cost the insurance companies big bucks..

The ones signing up for Medicaid will blow up the states, they DON'T pay premiums...

Without the healthy 20-somethings signing up and paying premiums, these companies go BOOM!!

Easy solution... Raise the penalty! Which they will do if enough do not sign up.

bgamall4 says

Hang your head in shame Bigsby you cockroach:

Ha, ha. That must be a world record for the time between a supposed controlled demolition going off and the building then collapsing. Perhaps you might like to explain to me the time line of these reported 'explosions.' And you can give your cockroach comments a rest. Just get back to deleting the posts of those who disagree with you seeing as that is all you are good at.

bgamall4 says

Oh, and notice from the above article, Bigsby/cockroach, that demolitions collapse into their own footprints, which is what happened on 9/11.

Strange then that the WTC buildings damaged so many structures around them.

bgamall4 says

And as to your comment which is a legitimate point unlike all the other crap you post, some buildings are preweakened, so blasts do occur before collapse. Oh, and you may want to read this and notice the demolition has that white smoke that we saw in abundance in the WTC: http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/building-implosion2.htm

And once again (as you deleted my previous reply) so I'm clear, you are now arguing that there was an initial controlled demolition before the 'real' controlled demolition. So presumably that is now 2 controlled demolitions per building for which there is no recorded audio or video evidence. Quite the achievement.

BoomAndBustCycle says

Raise the penalty! Which they will do if enough do not sign up.

NO! That just means we'll turn back into a nation where some 30 to 40% or more of the work population worked under the table and didn't file any taxes. Like it was before Clinton made it easier for the individual self employed and the small business owners to get square with the IRS, and lowered their taxes to some degree.

It was a blessing in disguise though, what it did was actually made it harder for self employed people to be truly self employed.
You can't even sale carpet and have your friend who might be the best flooring expert in your town take delivery of any carpet or tile from their shop if they aren't full corporations, they have to pay workman's comp, even if they don't have employees, they also have to carry a steep liability insurance. It pretty much forced the older guys that just worked enough to pay their bills out of the business. For them most of what they made a month goes directly to taxes, fees, premiums, and costs. That titan companies can just call the cost of doing business, but for many small timers, it forced them out the competition. Just like every industry these days.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

And once again (as you deleted my previous reply) so I'm clear, you are now arguing that there was an initial controlled demolition before the 'real' controlled demolition. So presumably that is now 2 controlled demolitions per building for which there is no recorded audio or video evidence. Quite the achievement.

There were explosions that preceded the demolition. If you listen you will hear them in the lobby far below and a little before the tower came down. You know that. Who assigned you to this little gig, big oil or big finance, Bigsby?

Duh. My belief in evidence and rational thought 'assigned' me to this 'gig'. 'There were explosions that preceded the demolition,' were there? Why, exactly, do you need to weaken buildings that you claim have been rigged for a controlled demolition? Given what was happening on that particular day, 'explosions' could be absolutely anything - not least large chunks of debris falling to the ground or any number of burning objects exploding. And yet, your claim is that there was a mini controlled demolition before the actual demolition. That is what you are claiming. Ha, ha.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Strange then that the WTC buildings damaged so many structures around them.

Strange that WTC6 was more damaged than WTC7 and didn't come down.

Different circumstances lead to different outcomes all the time. Why do you consider that remotely strange? And more to the point, it wasn't the level of damage from debris that was central to the collapse according to the reports (it being uncontrolled fires that burned for many hours and weakened beams), so what are you trying to argue? Or rather, why are you trying to mislead?

I would much rather shoot your credit card, after using it first (of course)

I never thought I'd have to say this but, don't be a pussy AF! Make it shoot a banker day or just shut up about it already.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

A PatNet Promotional Event Idea: Shoot Your Credit Card Day!

Damn, misread this as Shoot Your Creditor Day. Now I've got to creep down the alley way, fly down the highway, before they come to catch me I'll be gone somewhere they can't find me.

I always glue my card to a banker's forehead before shooting it.

Doesn't everyone?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

A PatNet Promotional Event Idea: Shoot Your Credit Card Day!

Some people take Apocalypsefuck too literally.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/OemHPb5T4tc

http://www.youtube.com/embed/QciFiIbJAM0

Even kids are getting into it.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/7Ps9xjdXiEg

HydroCabron says

I always glue my card to a banker's forehead before shooting it.

Doesn't everyone?

If you are out of glue, you can slide the card between a banker's BUTTOCKS, and then shoot. Stinky Shot-up cards 'n crack.

d503 says

I just felt betrayed when they said I keep my doctor, plan, and I would save.

"They" were talking about employer-sponsored plans. Pay closer attention next time.

"First of all, if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan - you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."
President Barack Obama
7/16/2009

ThreeBays says

Most people will probably pick one of the lower cost options.

...and basically have no insurance at all.

Why do you guys keep dancing around the co-ins and deductibles and the personal or family deductible limits which can be in the tens of thousands a year, for all insured. Yes even especially those with subsidized "PREMIUMS".

bgamall4 says

Hey Bigsby, you should pay Patrick the 5 bucks to quit having your posts deleted. Ah, but then he would know who you are and you obviously want that kept secret to put up with my abuse. You are truly a wretched fellow.

No, I'm just not particularly interested in paying 5 bucks a month to a forum just to avoid being deleted by a conspiracy moron. Enjoy your retirement both from work and from using your brain.
I also notice that you deleted a post that simply asked what that fireman video was, and where he was when he heard the explosions. Why did you delete YOUR OWN POST about the firemen? I guess you've hit a new low of stupidity.

bgamall4 says

I heard them watching the video of the firemen in the lobby. Didn't you hear them? Are you deaf?

And once again, which video, what time in the video, and when did this take place? And just to clarify, you are saying that these 'explosions' are what you claim to be the controlled demolition going off. That's right, isn't it? Just so I know what to listen for. After all, there are plenty of examples of controlled demolitions that I can compare to your supposed example. Anyway, I look forward to your response, or your deletion so you can avoid responding. Whichever.

bgamall4 says

I say you are lying.

I'm stunned. Oh, and by the way, paying 5 bucks to Patrick doesn't suddenly make it public knowledge who you are. On the other hand, linking to a moronic blog as you do lets the whole world know who you are. You seem unconcerned that you make it clear to the world that you're an idiot. I guess that's because you're old and retired and nobody gives a flying fuck about you anymore and most likely never did, so it's your last futile attempt at trying to draw attention to yourself.

And I said post up the video you were directly referring to that included the sounds of explosions and the location in the video of said explosions. That is what you are claiming after all. Not just that firemen used the word explosions.

Gold and Silver doesn't look too great. Caterpillar has reduced profits and expectations, Mining companies aren't expanding operations.

bgamall4 says

I know that isn't good enough for you. I don't know why it isn't. But I will find the other one, don't worry. You saw it, so why don't you try to find it?

I didn't see it. That is the point. You were the one who referenced it, so post it up. You claimed audio. A handful of firemen using the word 'explosions' is only 'proof' of a CD to someone like you because you don't care how flimsy the 'evidence' is as long as you think it supports your argument. For you to actually think that is proof (definitive proof to you) of your extraordinary claim is just utterly ridiculous.

CaptainShuddup says

Why do you guys keep dancing around the co-ins and deductibles and the personal or family deductible limits which can be in the tens of thousands a year, for all insured. Yes even especially those with subsidized "PREMIUMS".

Insurance has ALWAYS had deductibles and co-pays. ACA sets LIMITS on those. The deductibles will be LESS now. Plans that have extremely high deductibles will not be allowed anymore. Even maximum out of pocket cost is capped.

I can't decide if you are deliberately obtuse or just stupid.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

An oligarch buys the very last business in the world and disbands the last union and sends the last job to the Chinese gulag and then everyone in America volunteers to suck him off for the chance to wash his car for a tip or a piece of cheese.

Then everyone eats each others' faces.

Basic Adam Smith.

When not sucking, the plebes sit in the toxic effluent from the baron's gigamansion, high-fiving one another because abortion is now punishable by death, and because they are free to own as many guns as they can afford (0).

The Professor says

I think the government should provide healthcare for citizens but ACA seems to only provide money for insurance companies.

No, it also provides money for health care and pharmaceutical companies like the ones which spent $150M passing the bill.

Insurance companies just don't like it yet because they're conservative companies based on actuarial science, can't predict how many previously uninsured healthy people will be buying insurance to pay for the ones with pre-existing conditions that will sign up, and can't safely profit from the law.

That will change once we get solid data since the law lets them markup spending for individual and small group plans by 25% regardless of what that is. Spending $100K more on some one with a pre-existing condition will let them charge $125K more in premiums and keep $25K more for overhead and profit.

The Professor says

What exactly is going up? What are ALL the people outputting?

Methane.

ThreeBays says

US Medicare tax: 2.9% (covers old & poor)

France health insurance tax: 5.25% (covers everyone).

Actually, Medicare only covers the old and disabled.

Medicaid which covers poor people is a separate government program.

In terms of purchasing power parity the United States Government spends more than places like France which insure everyone. In 2010 we spent $3967 per person versus France's $3061 and the UK's $2847.

The Professor says

What exactly is going up? What are ALL the people outputting? Can someone
please help me understand without calling me stupid?

Output is GNP most likely. Ouput per hour would then be GNP/total hours.

The Professor says

Can someone please help me understand without calling me stupid?

I think it means the corporations / oligarchs, as an example, begrudgingly hire 2 people to do the work of 10. Making them work 60 hours a week, etc. I believe it is a proven fact much fewer workers are producing more than ever before. As in the chart, 'real output per hour'.

Yup, real gdp divided by total non-farm payroll looks pretty close.

?g=nOG

Duckman said: 5. If you let capitalists decide the allocation of labor, they will hire the fewest number of workers possible and let everyone else starve.
Don't worry, socialists from overseas are bringing their ways to America: VW says it wants German-style "works council" at the plant to get employees input. The councils meet on issues such as work rule disputes in order to improve plant efficiency.
VW, which has the best profit margins of any global automaker, has the works councils at more than 100 plants around the globe -- all except those in China and its sole U.S. factory.
But U.S. labor law makes it difficult to set up such councils without participation by a union.

Interesting. So how do you reconcile your chart with the attached (or are the two issues unrelated)?

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/10/workforce-population-jobs-by-age-group_2546.html

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Like I said, socialize medicine KILLED everyone in Canada. There are no survivors. I checked. Every Canadian has been dead since Alberta adopted HitlerCare in 1950.

Well put.

This is exactly why I hate Obamacare more even than Benghazi, and almost as much as I despise the closing of war memorials.

It's like Whitewater plus the Travel Office firings plus Kosovo all summed together and then squared.

There is no one alive who hates Obamacare as much as I do.

drew_eckhardt says

That will change once we get solid data since the law lets them markup spending for individual and small group plans by 25% regardless of what that is. Spending $100K more on some one with a pre-existing condition will let them charge $125K more in premiums and keep $25K more for overhead and profit.

Huh?