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Call it Crazy says

Well.... The Screwing seems to be growing!!!

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

Why are you Rushbots spamming this multiple times in multiple threads? Geez... get a fucking life.

Bitcoins arent the future? says

Vicente, I don't quite understand... You're saying that in the case of an asset tax, the value of an item should be determined by how much the owner declares its worth on the insurance? Seems like paying taxes could be replaced by a good security system in this case.

No of course not, most ordinary items have an obvious replacement value. You can't declare your brand-new truck at zero dollars when clearly you bought it for $30K. I was speaking of less obvious items. For 99.99% of assets there are well-established means of assessing the dollar value to replace that asset. This is an underpinning of modern commerce I think. Your life & limb even have dollar values assigned to them.

Bitcoins arent the future? says

No more loopholes, no exceptions, no exemptions.

That has nothing to do with a flat tax. You can eliminate all loopholes and exceptions and still have a progressive tax. The "progressive" part of our tax code is the fucking simplest part of the tax code. That's not the problem and has never been the problem.

Furthermore, the income tax was intended as a tax only on the rich to pay only for social services for the poor to alleviate and end poverty. The income tax should be restored to that and the progressiveness should be a function of the rich-poor gap such that if the rich want to get richer, they have to eliminate poverty. Now that's motivation not to fuck up the system and maybe even improve it.

And yes, a progressive tax is KISS simple. It's every bit as simple as a flat tax. Just get rid of everything in the tax code except the progressive tax rate.

bgamall4 says

Jet fuel does not explode in the lobby. Explosions exploded in the lobby.

Shock waves and the huge fireball from the plane crash can vent down through elevator shafts and out into the lobby. Someone in your video specifically stated that happening.

bgamall4 says

Anyway, if you hear the explosions in the lobby at the first of this video you will see that the popping took place way before the collapse. The poppings were explosions. And everybody said so. Even firemen on the walkie talkies said so

Good grief. The word 'explosions' doesn't have to mean controlled demolition.The initial impact and damage from the shockwaves are 'explosions.' If debris crashes to the ground, then people call the sound it makes an explosion etc. etc. You, however, seem to be under the misapprehension that whenever people say 'explosion' it means controlled demolition. It doesn't. They are trying to make sense of something they have no knowledge or experience of. It has nothing, nothing at all, to do with your claims of a controlled demolition. You are just expanding out your nonsense.

Call it Crazy says

See, Roberta THINKS he can hide his identity under this Egads screen name, but his writing style gives him away......

What style? He has no style.

Dan8267 says

the income tax was intended as a tax only on the rich to pay only for social services for the poor to alleviate and end poverty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States#History

The first income tax suggested in the United States was during the War of 1812. The idea for the tax was based on the British Tax Act of 1798. The British tax law applied progressive rates to income. The British tax rates ranged from 0.833% on income starting at £60 to 10% on income above £200. The tax proposal was developed in 1814. Because the treaty of Ghent was signed in 1815, ending hostilities and the need for additional revenue, the tax was never imposed in the United States.

In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax. The rate was 2% on income over $4000, which meant fewer than 10% of households would pay any. The purpose of the income tax was to make up for revenue that would be lost by tariff reductions.

I would eliminate all income taxes and replace them with import duties.

egads101 says

ok, what does 148,000 jobs = then?

148,000 jobs means nothing, since we need at least 150,000 just to keep up with the growing workforce. Fact is, this has been the slowest recovery in the history of US. We are already 4 years into the recovery, and:

1. Unemployment is still above 7%.
2. 1.5 years of no improvement in involuntary part-time workers.
3. 700,000 public sector jobs lost during the 4 years of recovery.
4. No improvement in length of average work week.
5. Labor force participation still at recession levels.

And this is after over $3T of printing worthless paper. What a joke.

Let's agree on some facts. US Healthcare is very good - it is generally fast, high quality, etc. US People are getting very unhealthy as anyone can see just walking around in public, every 3rd person is a walking diabetic time bomb and heart disease patient. The US does spend more than other countries on healthcare for two reasons 1) we don't ration and we don't have long lines. 2) we have better equipment and care.

Obamacare does limit the profit of Insurance companies. Anyone that thinks they will see a refund check of any meaningful amount is not thinking clearly. Limiting the profit of Insurance companies also means that future competition is also limited because new insurance ideas and lower cost treatments now have no profit incentive. This is why the stocks of insurance companies have skyrocketed as we get closer to implementation and medical devices manufacturers have not done as well. Insurance companies love 15% guaranteed profit, guaranteed customers, and little competition - think of their stocks like a 15% yielding bond.

Medical insurance companies formerly Republicans are now squarely in the pocket of Democrats - so don't expect any more bashing about how evil they are from the left. Health care in the US will gradually decay pretty quick as the system is clogged with the obese and addicts (aka pre-existing conditions). Gov types are now deciding the what care is covered and when - so if you thought insurance companies were bad wait till you see how great those former postal employees are at deciding what care you get.

Bitcoins arent the future? says

But how could you track every single asset? It seems difficult.

Should be easier to track than income, which can come from many sources and is subject to all sorts of credits and deductibles.

Really, if you can't value an asset than our whole economy is based on falsehoods.

Bitcoins arent the future? says

But how could you track every single asset? It seems difficult.

I believe land alone is more than 50% of all assets and it's very hard to hide.

Stocks and bonds are also hard to hide.

Reality says

Shall we then tax physical beauty?

Don't taller and more attractive people have higher incomes?

Call it Crazy says

CameronCrazy says

egads101 says

File this under more retarded shit from dumbass smaulgld.

egads101 says

you are just too dumb

These comments remind me of a robertoaribas. He disappeared after allegedly making comments most identifiable to that of a rapist.

See, Roberta THINKS he can hide his identity under this Egads screen name, but his writing style gives him away......

Yeah, he's trying real hard to hide his identity. That must be why he keeps mentioning his purchases, life in Phoenix, what he's going to do with his profits etc. etc. He changed his name because some sad fuck on here tried to get him into trouble at work, but it's not as if it is some well kept secret who egads is.

bgamall4 says

And Bigsby, you never commented on the structural steel being sheared off like demolitions are supposed to do. You saw the picture of ground zero. You know that those columns were sheared off and that is what they do as explained by how stuff works.

'As explained by how stuff works.' Arf. You have a picture of one steel beam and you think that is proof of a controlled demolition? How many thousands, millions, of beams do you think there were and the different stresses and pressures that were put on them, and you look at the result on one and go 'LOOK it's a controlled demolition.' Arf.
How about you post up that video with the fireman and the audible controlled demolition? Still can't find it I take it. How about you don't claim that a woman says in one of your recent videos "boom boom boom and then the plane hit" when she makes absolutely no mention of it being BEFORE the plane hit? How about you stop claiming videos contain proof of controlled demolition when all they contain are snippets of terrified people talking about 'explosions?' How about you just give your false descriptions a rest altogether?

bgamall4 says

Many people reported the building shaking and explosions in the basement area before the plane hit. Many people. They were very clear and precise about it.

Then post up those videos. The ones you've posted up already are anything but clear about what they show, precisely because the people involved had no knowledge or experience of what they were seeing or had just experienced and were simply trying to give an extraordinary event some kind of meaning. That confusion and terror is being used by some sad conspiracist to stitch together a narrative that is full of little out of context sound bites and is utterly devoid of any real proof.

egads101 says

So, if had falling prices, but lots of sales, that would be an excellent recovery???

The real recovery would be with both falling prices and falling sales. As it stands, the housing market is sick as a cancer patient, being propped up by FED manipulation and hype.

Call it Crazy says

Well.... The Screwing seems to be growing!!!

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

From NBC News

The debate was widely covered in the press in 2010, so it’s unclear what exactly the NBC investigation unit has uncovered. Individuals can keep the plans they have if those plans remain largely the same. But individuals receiving cancellation notices will have a choice of enrolling in subsidized insurance in the exchanges and will probably end up paying less for more coverage. Those who don’t qualify for the tax credits will be paying more for comprehensive insurance that will be there for them when they become sick (and could actually end up spending less for health care since more services will now be covered). They will also no longer be part of a system in which the young and healthy are offered cheap insurance premiums because their sick neighbors are priced out or denied coverage. That, after all, is the whole point of reform.

bgamall4 says

So there may have been subsequent explosions, but many people from the videos above said that the plane hit after the explosions on the lowest floors.

I've watched the videos. Those people interviewed at the time don't make that claim. They talk of explosions. They are clearly scared and confused for good reason. That video where you claim the women said 'boom, boom, boom and the plane hit' is a perfect example of you lying about the content of the videos that you post up. She simply didn't say that. I watched that entire video. The people in it aren't claiming that what they heard happened before the planes hit. That is your claim.

Just to make the addled minded author of this article "vile American- R asses" sleep a little better, I did a generic pole. Results 98% thought O bumbler is doing a great job, 99% thought Republicans were Satin, 96% thought Hillary C. was a virgin, and 100% thought that their right to food stamps, free phones, and section 8 housing was guaranteed by the Constitution. I conducted my poll on the West side of Chicago between a welfare office and a liquor store. Sweet dreams cup cake.

The Republicans have grown weak.

To remedy their electoral fortunes, they must be strong and purge all RINO's and comsymps from their party. Then run the most conservative possible candidates, well to the right of Michelle Bachmann.

Then they will gain control of the presidency and the senate.

zzyzzx says

The first income tax suggested in the United States was during the War of 1812.

Looks towards the Woodrow Wilson administration for the original intent of the modern federal income tax and the establishment of the Federal Reserve.

I believe land alone is more than 50% of all assets and it's very hard to hide.

For you muggles maybe. Unplotability spell

1. Elements of the plan were originally conservative ideas.
2. Real health insurance is expensive - especially when it is disconnected from life style choices. Charging thin people the same rates as obese, addicts at the same rates as non-addicts, gays at the same rates as heteros, crazy sports nuts at the same rates as non-thrill seekers ... drives up the cost in major ways. 80% of healthcare costs are consumed by a small fraction of people. In my family, my mother (350lbs+) has consumed so much healthcare it is outrageous (fatty tumors, multiple hernias, foot surgeries, colon problems, etc.) why should my children's college be threaten so I can pay her medical bills and millions of folks like her who feel no obligation to control their diet. And trust me I've seen her eat so much it is insane all the while trying to convince others that she has a slow metabolism and many more excuses. I used to secretly throw away food in my house to try to get her to control her weight.
3. Single payer does nothing - probably makes it more expensive as the government are less efficient than insurance companies. The real problem is people are completely disconnected from medical cost vs. life style choices. I'm all for group paying for birth defects, cancers, etc. that are a random result of life - but stop asking me to pay for completely irresponsible folks. You want to get fat, fine with me but pay for it for yourself.

bgamall4 says

1. This was originally a Republican plan from the Heritage Foundation.

...

3. Single payer would have been cheaper, but the Republicans refused.

Enough with lame excuses. Dems own this shit and you know it.

i’m still wondering what her crowd had to do with the murder of george moscone.

She covers up for NSA constantly which makes me feel uneasy about her. I don't think she's going to leave anytime soon. She is too rich and too well connected.

She'll die of old age before she leaves that cushy gig of hers.

bgamall4 says

She must be unseated in the next election, preferably by the Democrats.

What's the point? The new one will be exactly the same as the old one.

John McDonald says

Single payer does nothing - probably makes it more expensive as the government are less efficient than insurance companies.

Then why do all the single payer systems around the world cost half the US private insurance system?

I don't know who was involved, but my feeling is that some very wealthy and powerful people planned this. Shouldn't be too hard to find for FBI, to see who benefited. But I also feel that since they have been so busy covering it up until now, there is no reason why they'll let the truth out.

Call it Crazy says

We know.... The truth HURTS when the facts start coming out about this disaster of your favorite health care program.....

But, keep cheer leading it right off the cliff!!!

I don't think anything's gone off a cliff yet. When they were saying there would be minimum standards for insurance 3 years ago, what did you think that meant? When they were saying high-deductible catastrophic plans would no longer be allowed, what did you think that meant? What "facts" have just come out that we didn't know 3 years ago? Are you seriously going to sit there and tell us you were completely unaware that ACA included a provision for minimum standards of coverage? I wouldn't if I were you; that would make you look pretty stupid.

The repukes tried to kill this law 40 times. They shut down the government to try to kill the law. They put all their eggs in the "oppose ACA" basket. Now they are fucked, and they are going to grasp at any straw they can to try to "prove" that the law is a failure.

Obama lied!!! Waaaahhhhh!!!!

tax assets.. let's go the French way.

What about less liquid assets? Like my human capital (my sills)..
Or my kidneys ...

Here is the Kaiser Family Foundation's take on grandfathering.

The purpose of grandfathering: As provisions of the ACA go into effect, grandfathering provides for a smoother transition by allowing health plans to remain as is and not be required to implement certain aspects of the law’s new rules and protections.

Bigsby says

That and delete people's responses to try and support your paper thin reasoning.

I don't know of any paper that thin.

CaptainShuddup says

...and basically have no insurance at all.

Why do you guys keep dancing around the co-ins and deductibles and the personal or family deductible limits which can be in the tens of thousands a year, for all insured. Yes even especially those with subsidized "PREMIUMS".

That's basically CANCER coverage... or bad car accident coverage... It's expensive yes.. but it's better than nothing. It allows you as a family to not have to pull the plug for monetary reasons. At least giving the family time to weigh their options, without going bankrupt.

Feinstein no longer even makes a pretense of her and hubbie's robber baron ways, arrogant.

The Appropriations Committee has been re-named the Feinstein Self-Appropriations Committee.

Too bad, Kennedy was probably planning on stumpfing some really big hair gals on that trip.

FortWayne says

She covers up for NSA constantly which makes me feel uneasy about her. I don't think she's going to leave anytime soon. She is too rich and too well connected.

She'll die of old age before she leaves that cushy gig of hers.

Word. She's great at pretending to be against War and in favor of Civil Liberties, while voting the opposite way, usually with some "But I modified it to be less offensive" bullshit story.

Now Feinstein is trying to define Journalist as "Only somebody who works for a Media Megacorp, and maybe PBS, but no one else".

Just look at her donors.

1 PG&E Corp
2 JStreetPAC (pro-Israel and pro-unconditional, unlimited MIC Aid for Israel group)
3 General Atomics
4 Edison International
5 General Dynamics
6 BAE Systems
7 Diamond Foods
8 Intl Alliance Theatrical Stage Employees
9 Wells Fargo
10 Northrop Grumman
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2014&cid=N00007364&type=I&newmem=N

bgamall4 says

Ceffer says

Too bad, Kennedy was probably planning on stumpfing some really big hair gals on that trip.

You misunderstand the respect with which JFK was given by the American people. Instead we have murderers taking his place. You should be ashamed.

Why should I be ashamed because the American public has such poor judgment?

I have only minimal issue with a govt sponsored social
Safety net provided there are time limitations and work requirements attached.

My grandfather dug fire breaks and hiking trails. I dare you to try to get people to do that work. Dare ya.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Tuesday, October 29, 2013 __ Level is 100.0

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083