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bob2356 says

They spiked the health care bill because they only wanted a repeal and nothing else was acceptable.

That sure wasn't what RyanCare was about. It was about keeping Obamney Insurance Subsidies alive, still without any cost control mechanisms, with a little extra sweetener of transferring the penalty from the IRS to the Insurance Companies themselves.

Trump is a populist struggling with a Republican Establishment who never wanted him, against a Democratic Establishment that also doesn't give two shits about the middle and working class, only a different set of Oligarchs. I can't imagine the Democrats of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s doing anything but trying to the current H1Bs entirely.

Republicans: "Muh Resource Extractors"
Dems: "But Muh IT Corporations"
Both: "Muh Finance, Insurance and Real Estate!"

If the Dems were "Really" worried about Russian Hacking, they'd turn over the DNC Server (provided it isn't wiped beyond recovery with 10+ passes each using a different method and mechanically destroyed after that) to the FBI, AND great Flynn immunity to talk.

Their interest is to keep their evidence-free, but only effective, smear going.

The reason the Republicans who have total control are allowing the hearings to include Russia is that they'd much prefer Pence than Pesky Populist Trump.

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jazz music says

Moral of the story is to never fall under the mercy of another man who can do as he will with impunity because you will find out, as did the jews, there is something deeply wrong and hypocritical inside people who will run a murderous racket if left unchecked. --and feel perfectly justified about it too.

This is unfortunately very true.

I doubt that the self-righteous assholes who virtue-signal by calling for all criminals to die would apply their sentences to those criminals who murdered the slave babies by feeding them to alligators. Somehow, I think they would let those criminals off the hook.

After watching that video, I'm spending the next hour watching cat and rescue videos on YouTube in order to get the taste of barf out of my mouth.

jazz music says

Oh wait it's CNN, poison the well! Oh and the reporter is black too! Obviously fake news.

"And Waiter, the food is awful!"
jazz music says

When fact checking got involved they found the newspaper: it was the National Enquirer!

"And there's not enough of it on my plate!"

Has CNN been busted with fake news? YES.

Has the National Enquirer ran scoops that are 100% true? YES.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

bob2356 says

They spiked the health care bill because they only wanted a repeal and nothing else was acceptable.

That sure wasn't what RyanCare was about. It was about keeping Obamney Insurance Subsidies alive, still without any cost control mechanisms, with a little extra sweetener of transferring the penalty from the IRS to the Insurance Companies themselves.

RIght, that was exactly what I said. Only a total repeal would be acceptable to the koch brothers machine. Who do you think the freedom caucus is and who do you think paid to put them in office?

Is that Renee Zellweger?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Trump is a populist struggling with a Republican Establishment who never wanted him, against a Democratic Establishment that also doesn't give two shits about the middle and working class, only a different set of Oligarchs. I can't imagine the Democrats of the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s doing anything but trying to the current H1Bs entirely.

Give it up. Trump was 100% behind the new healthcare bill and 100% on board with the Establishment.

Please tell me how his tax plan is populist.
Please tell me how gutting the EPA is populist.
Please tell me how giving up people's privacy (Internet history) is populist
Please tell me how increasing civil forfeiture is populist.

You fell for a shyster in populist clothing.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Donald Trump gets worse marks than Barack Obama at the start of their presidencies

Wow really? You mean in america where nobody will publicly criticize a black person and where it's highly popular to criticize rich WHITE men?

IDIOTS!
It's easier to HATE everyone than focus on a small group.

Yeah because Paris is so much better.

Just think of all the "terror bucks" we are losing, not to mention free demolition of crusty old infrastructure.

Reinstatement of pistol dueling to resolve issues between couples and restore honor to the process.

That all doesn't matter as long as you think he is pretty, really really pretty!

What the fuck do they have against dogs?

>Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

The GOP effort in the 1993 period (the GOP's counter to the Clinton reform proposal) foundered on how to pay for the premium supports for people having to buy insurance.

here's the tax cuts in the AHCA:

It's those splooging dick selfys, you'd think O'Reilly would learn.

These "accusations" are professional get rich quick schemes. Cell phone recordings should be required for proof, everybody knows how to turn on their mic on their phones. Also who takes anonymous calls anymore? Don't take them and you don't have to "suffer" from anonymous phone wankers. Boo hoo.

PCGyver says

Then why did they settle out of court with NDAs?

Because the publicity in the tabloids and "media" for any trial of that nature is far more damaging to a large company than paying a settlement. These extortions happen regularly also in high-tech companies, paying off females that have worked close enough to higher management. Rarely there is any substance to those claims. In fact these payments are already factored in by companies in their expense forecasts depending on what the quota is.

jazz music says

The issue that we are all divided on is you are either for slavery or against it.

If you are against slavery that atuomatically puts you in the category of being a John Locke LIBERAL Since you are subscribing to his philosophy and I quote:

Slavery still exists?
Please, no-one remind Jazz what century we live in. You can't even buy this kind of entertainment.

Marxist commie propaganda. The Demcorats were the slave owners.

Hey Jazzhands, Read the Bottom Capitalized part of the Caption.

Where in Dixie is Ceylon? And why are the Negro Slaves wearing Indian-style Sari-type things?

jazz music says

You right there are actually trying to normalize the fact that Trump saw Cruz' father involved with JFK murder AND REPEATED THAT publicly, knowing that he read THAT IN THE ENQUIRER? And he even covers it by saying "I read it in the newspaper?"

How many Journalists repeated the lie that Russia hacked the Power Grid? And that to deny that was to deny a proven fact?

America just had it's first Black President, and gave him 2 terms, proving that we're a Racist Country.

Truth about Immigration and Refugees: It's about crushing wages and using a Strategy of Tension.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

PROFESSIONAL OBSCENE PHONE CALLER BILL O'REILLY COST FOX $13 MILLION TO BUY OFF HIS VICTIMS

This gives me a business idea. Is O'Reilly into dudes?

Yah good thing America does not use alligators to kill black babies anymore.
That duty has been outsourced to Planned Parenthood. MUCH more humane to get them earlier. 🙄

jazz music says

We hear a lot about holocaust but we do not hear about Nazi regimes vast slave labor camps and I imagine that is because it not only dilutes the jewish agenda of genocide awareness BUT it also sheds an indecent light on THE CORPORATIONS THAT INVESTED IN BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR AND CAME OUT AS THE BIGEST WINNERS STILL TO THIS DAY. I guarantee you those same corporations have not forgotten the riches they accessed by supporting Hitler's regime and the vast network of slave camps.

Who's the big winner when Obama sells Cluster Bombs for Saudi Arabia to drop on Yemeni Marketplaces and Town Centers?

jazz music says

The only defense you have against all of these atrocities happening to YOU is to make it unthinkable that they should ever happen to anybody.

Did you know that the Egyptians enslaved the Nubians after killing every adult male? Apologize for the Pharaohs, Sisi!

When will Saudi Arabia apologize for 9/11? For their continuing legacy of slavery?

Lefties only concerned about Slavery that Anglo-Saxons ended (first civilization in world history to end slavery) 150 years ago.

STUDIOUSLY IGNORE slavery in Qatar, Mauretania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait TODAY. Because Brown People dindu Nuttin' Wrong.

Why isn't there an investigation as to why FIFA allowed Qatar to use slave labor for their World Cup Infrastructure?

Where are the Sanctions on Saudi Arabia for murdering Witches, denying Human Rights to all Women, and lashing gays and rape victims?

Where are the reparations for millions of Slav(es) sold into Slav(-ery) by Persians, Turks, and Arabs. Pay up Algeria! Pay up Iran! Apologize, Turkey!

Free yourself of the narrative.

jazz music says

Hey thanks for proving my point

Now, please explain why NOBODY in the Democratic party is calling for an arms embargo on Saudi Arabia.

Why Nobody is talking about taking the World Cup from Qatar.

At the very least! These should only be first steps pending total sanctions on all imports and exports. We need to use the British and American Navy to again embargo the Slavers. And demanding the return of Constantinople from Turkish Imperialist-Colonialist, and reparations for the Ethnic Cleansing and Slaughter of the Greeks in the 1910s and 1920s. That was even worse than the Armenian Genocide.

Turkey should be suspended from NATO until they start paying reparations. The Germans did. Why should Turks get a pass? Because they're a shade darker, they dindu nuttin wrong?

It's funny that the Europeans were the least slavers of the past millenium - they didn't have any slaves at all for the first half of it and were the first to end it by law - but we never hear about the massive Slave Empire of the Muslims that stretched from Morocco to India and beyond.

jazz music says

Hey thanks for proving my point

What point? That you never mention any non-White atrocities? That you never point out Anglo-Saxons in particular ended slavery for the first time in history? That you don't mention Obama's incredibly deadly civil wars he instigated in Libya, Syria, and now Yemen that have already killed 10,000X more people than any gator baiting did?

No payoff for dude on dude accusations.

This thread is utterly irrelevant to the politics and policies of this millenium. All it does it remind people that humans all over the world have done, can do and will do sick shit, esp. if backed by the government. Look no further than South Africa where white farmers have been brutally persecuted, disowned, many bludgeoned and killed over the years (with government approval!). Moreover SA has gone to shit with ultra-high crime rates. This is today, not over 100 years ago like your favorite tearjerkers. When it comes to majority rule by race you can bet that modern (Chrisitian) whites are the most advanced and just people wrt human rights for everybody because they were the first ones to establish basic human rights and diplomatic principles following all the world-wars and many other skirmishes where they were involved in, learning from their own mistakes (colonialism, slavery etc.) and atrocities. It's completely disingenuous to accuse the Caucasians and Christians of today even of a hint of racism (everybody is inherently a little racist) while omitting that the vast majority of race, gender and religiously motivated atrocities in today's world are either committed by non-Whites or non-Christians.

jazz music says

Great, now I feel guilty wearing Polo shirts.

It's all Obama's fault!!!
Trump will fix this!!!

jazz music says

Dan8267 says

now I feel guilty

heheheh, well I hope you feel motivated some day soon to activism and promote decent treatment of all people

I was being facetious. I feel no guilt because, one, my ancestors didn't do any of the horrific things in America's history. Two, even if I had ancestors who did, I would not condone, whitewash, or celibate their actions. So, to be serious, I don't feel guilt but rather disgust at the actions and people referenced in this thread.

I'm all for promoting rights and justice, but quite frankly, there's damn little the common man can do except
1. When serving on a jury, be ethical.
2. Don't vote or support bad politicians.
3. Spread good ideas through discussions.

I don't see how activism and protesting actually do any good. Perhaps I'm cynical, but it seems that all the movements out there don't amount to a hill of beans. The common American citizen has basically no power to change the system.

The only hope I have in change is that if good ideas are discussed enough in public, the ideas will percolate up to the people who actually count.

Interesting. How do you propose to go about it? I think they have tried it in many states-with some success-but if there is a movement, I would love to join.

Another addition, in CA I believe 10 years makes you liable for lifetime support and the court can come back any time and open your marriage up. Max should be 5 years after which spouse is free and clear.

Probably never going to clear, but property should not be communal-a lady married to a Mcdonalds employee is a harder working wife than a woman married to a movie star with private jets, cooks, shopping trips etc-in the world of equality, property should not be split up. When they choose to move on, or during the marraige-these rich women need to become independent and live within their means.

Dan8267 says

I don't see how activism and protesting actually do any good. Perhaps I'm cynical, but it seems that all the movements out there don't amount to a hill of beans. The common American citizen has basically no power to change the system.

The only hope I have in change is that if good ideas are discussed enough in public, the ideas will percolate up to the people who actually count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

jazz music says

@Dan8267 feel this: we are being herded like cattle to make optimal profit a possibility for people who speculate on everything. This optimization is SUPPOSED to come into direct violation of human right, decency and lives.

I can agree on that statement although somewhat broad and generalizing, however you need to stop obsessing, because it has nothing to do with it. People who profit off of others (malaise) DO NOT care about race, gender, or religion. Money has no color.

jazz music says

Look at the death statistics from pollution right now and they way the polluters engage in preemptive management of their privilege. THEY ARE ONLY GETTING WARMED UP.

This is way too broad. Almost every form of energy has a clean and responsible way of mining it and there are pros and cons to each. Obummer's ban on coal was purely ideological and put many miner families out of work. Clean coal does exist. Same goes for cars. The combustion engine with modern filters has become so clean that all-electric cars have worse footprints now than hybrids or even many combustion cars. That's because the batteries, brakes, clutches, metals during manufacturing, and whatever else is used in the cars besides the engine are not responsible for more a bad footprint than the engines themselves. Some of the most polluted cities are highly leftist cities with employers and employees insisting on driving their cars to work every day although most of the tech work could be telecommuted these days. There are useful and idiotic environmental regulations. If you buy a Tesla and then rant about pollution you are part of the problem.

I like this: "despite zero percent interest rates."

The fact that we got to a place (so called liquidity trap) where federal reserve "stimulation" was no longer possible, except with desperate alternative maneuvers such as QE, should tell you something about underlying conditions.

I'm not sure whether the ongoing zero % interest rates were due too much wealth inequality or deflationary pressures, or both (and or other factors), but these have been anomolous conditions for many years now that are hard to blame the President for. It's not over yet either.

Fucking White Male says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Wikipedia is propaganda and means nothing. I will not pollute my mind with its dribble.