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Thousands flee Philippine city after Islamic rampage
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2017 May 25, 2:47am 21,169 views 47 comments
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curious2
2017 Jun 17, 7:15pm
What tactics to use on an ideology....
I think PatNat has good suggestions for that, but they lack political will at this time. The Muslim ban, denouncing Islam itself, promoting Charlie Hebdo cartoons and other blasphemy worldwide, and encouraging Muslims either to drop their counter-productive religion or to return to the religions that worked better for their ancestors prior to being forced to submit to the hateful fraud of the dead charlatan Mohamed.
Instead, American policy compounds the problems of Islam. We empower Wahabis, we claim to "respect" Islam, we celebrate and fund supposedly "moderate" Muslims (including the Clintons' Saudi clients), and we wage war all over the world. In terms of actual killing in recent years, those killed by American wars outnumber those killed by Islamic terror attacks. It's a revenue model to exploit Islam, not a strategy to defeat it. The point is to enlarge the fight rather than win it. At least in WWII, the shooting war was accompanied by constant denunciation of fascism and Nazis. Nobody opined about empowering "moderate" Nazis and fascists. That could have been treason.
I worry that until another horrible Islamic attack occurs, 9/11 or something bigger, the current inertia will continue. America will wage incoherent wars across the Islamic world with no strategy for winning, until we go bankrupt and get blamed for every problem on earth. Even if a horrible attack kills millions of westerners in the name of Islam, the publicity/PR machines and politicians will probably continue bleating that we mustn't blame Islam, nor those who advocate and spread it.
I had hoped that the election of President Trump might change course, but that has not happened yet. Republicans are objecting to the Muslim ban, and subverting it, rather than even trying to denounce a totalitarian ideology that commands believers to kill us wherever they find us.
Strategist
2017 Jun 17, 8:31pm
Grand Imam Idah Ali of the Lanao Islamic Center in Baloi, just a few kilometres from Marawi, refused to denounce the militant movement saying speaking out could upset stakeholders in the conflict.
“I cannot do anything about IS,†he said. “These people have a personal interest. I cannot say about this because if I talk about them, what will happen? Maybe they will be angry at me.
“If I say something, maybe the government will be angry with me, maybe the people of Marawi will be angry with me, maybe the majority of people in the Philippines will be angry with me.â€
How about saying something that is right for a change, you fucking terrorist supporter.
Strategist
2017 Jun 17, 8:33pm
Once again the dazzling mind of HEY YOU is proven correct.lol
Be careful who you piss off!
The problem is not knowing why they are pissed off.
Why they are pissed off is irrelevant. If they target babies they should be exterminated.
curious2
2017 Jun 18, 2:36pm
The Philippine army...
has the same hopelessly misguided strategy as the American military: trying to distinguish between "radicalized" Muslims (who have started doing what Islam commands) and "moderate Muslims" (who advocate Islam but haven't yet started doing what it says). No amount of skill or resources could make that possible. Just as America fails in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, the Philippinos fail in the Philippines. The reason is because they lack the will to denounce Islam itself: ban the mosques, publish blasphemous cartoons, etc.
I bet the Saudis are quite happy with the results of their madrassas in the Phillipines:
A US diplomatic cable leaked by Wikileaks dated 2005 would state:
Philippine officials noted their continuing concern about Saudi-origin terrorist financing coming into the Philippines under the cover of donations to mosques, orphanages, and madrassahs. Although three Saudi nationals suspected of being couriers had been detained on separate occasions, Saudi Ambassador Wali had intervened in each case to secure their release.
America's support for Saudi Arabia is largely responsible for what is happening in the Philippines.
Good thing Trump is taking them to task. We wouldn't want the kind of leader that would be kissing Saudi royalty while accepting gifts and large amounts of money, all the while pretending to be dealing with Islamic terrorism by only addressing other, far less consequential, countries in the Middle East
Why they are pissed off is irrelevant.
More of your pretzel logic.
Your value system is trumped by the pissed off ,killing people.
Did your value system do anything to stop the shooting of Scalise?
People can thump their bibles & /or their ideology.
How did that work on 9/11?
I have no problem with exterminating killers.
It's the stupids that think "I'm right." and can't stop the pissed off from taking action.
If these assholes are so smart why aren't they capable of stopping terrorism & killings in general?
Because they have nothing but ideological talk. "We ought to do this."We ought to do that." BULLSHIT.
Strategist
2017 Jun 18, 5:57pm
It's the stupids that think "I'm right." and can't stop the pissed off from taking action.
If these assholes are so smart why aren't they capable of stopping terrorism & killings in general?
Because we give terrorists human rights, which they don't deserve. It makes it impossible to wipe out terrorism.
If I was a dictator, terrorism would be long gone, because terrorists and their fucking supporters would all be dead.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jun 18, 11:15pm
Good thing Trump is taking them to task. We wouldn't want the kind of leader that would be kissing Saudi royalty while accepting gifts and large amounts of money, all the while pretending to be dealing with Islamic terrorism by only addressing other, far less consequential, countries in the Middle East
Right. Hillary, the only practical alternative to Trump in the last election, has no history of carousing with Saudi Arabia and Qatar and accepting gifts from them and for her Foundation.
Good thing Trump is taking them to task. We wouldn't want the kind of leader that would be kissing Saudi royalty while accepting gifts and large amounts of money, all the while pretending to be dealing with Islamic terrorism by only addressing other, far less consequential, countries in the Middle East
Right. Hillary, the only practical alternative to Trump in the last election, has no history of carousing with Saudi Arabia and Qatar and accepting gifts from them and for her Foundation.
Are you saying that Hillary made Trump do it, or are you just pointing out that Trump is very similar to Hillary?
Yours is a false premise, because Bernie was the only practical alternative in the 2016 election cycle. Which is why the media went all in on defeating him, even if it meant fucking the entire country straight to hell with Trump.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jun 19, 7:56am
Are you saying that Hillary made Trump do it, or are you just pointing out that Trump is very similar to Hillary?
Hillary won the nomination and was the only candidate that could have beat Trump. Indeed, the Media had her in the lead and aggressively predicted her inevitable victory.
Bernie dropped out and encouraged his supporters to vote Hillaryin the Summer, months ahead of the General Election..
Yours is a false premise, because Bernie was the only practical alternative in the 2016 election cycle. Which is why the media went all in on defeating him, even if it meant fucking the entire country straight to hell with Trump.
The DNC rigged the election to make sure Bernie lost. TWO (2) DNC Chairpersons resigned over being caught rigging the Election for Hillary, and the DNC's defense to lawsuits from Bernie Donors is that "Impartiality" in their bylaws is a contractually unenforceable clause.
zzyzzx
2017 Jun 19, 9:37am
Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marawi
According to the 2015 census, it has a population of 201,785.
On May 23, 2017, a pro-Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group called the Maute group attacked the city. The battle is ongoing as of May 25. CNN Philippines reports that the militants have about 500 men. Philippine President Duterte has declared Martial Law on the island of Mindanao, where the fighting is taking place
If I were in charge, I would have all those 500 dead in a day or two at the most, with their dead bodies decapitated or nailed to crosses on all the roads coming into and out of town.
Strategist
2017 Jun 19, 9:50am
On May 23, 2017, a pro-Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant group called the Maute group attacked the city. The battle is ongoing as of May 25. CNN Philippines reports that the militants have about 500 men. Philippine President Duterte has declared Martial Law on the island of Mindanao, where the fighting is taking place
The armed forces of a country cannot defeat 500 militants? Fucking losers.
If I were in charge, I would have all those 500 dead in a day or two at the most, with their dead bodies decapitated or nailed to crosses on all the roads coming into and out of town.
I would support you with no questions asked.
curious2
2017 Jun 21, 3:51am
There were no casualties and no students were taken hostage, Brigadier General Restituto Padilla said, discounting earlier reports some children were being held by the fighters.
However, he said the military was investigating whether the five civilians were still with the militants.
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"They've withdrawn, they are no longer there. The school area is again safe. The troops are in pursuit mode.""
If I was a dictator, terrorism would be long gone, because terrorists and their fucking supporters would all be dead.
If I were in charge, I would have all those 500 dead in a day or two at the most, with their dead bodies decapitated or nailed to crosses on all the roads coming into and out of town.
Walter Mitty rides again in the chicken hawk brigade. So your plan is to level the city I guess. A medium level nuke would do it. "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
curious2
2017 Jun 21, 9:54am
Philippines authorities yesterday described the early morning raid by several hundred gunmen from the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters on a neighbourhood militia patrol post as “opportunisticâ€, and possibly an attempt to draw military away from the intense battle to recapture Marawi city from two other ISIS-affiliated local groups that has entered its fifth week.
But the latest attack will do Âlittle to allay regional fears that ÂIslamic State may be gaining a foothold in Southeast Asia through the Philippines’ restive Muslim-majority south.
Contradictory reports coming out of Cotabato suggested there could be as many as 12 civilians being used as human shields, Âincluding six primary school children."
zzyzzx
2017 Oct 3, 6:34am
Pussies! They should stay and fight!
Strategist
2017 Oct 3, 9:07am
Is the Philippines up to the task of handling the latest wave of Islamist terrorism?
They are not. I don't think any country really is up to that task. How do you fight people who are only too eager to die? To fight them you would need to abuse their human rights, and the privacy of all the citizens. And the moment you do, the left will come down on you hard. Even most countries will oppose anything you do.
Tenpoundbass
2017 Oct 3, 10:03am
Tenpoundbass
2017 Oct 3, 10:04am
zzyzzx
2017 Oct 3, 11:57am
How do you fight people who are only too eager to die? To fight them you would need to abuse their human rights, and the privacy of all the citizens. And the moment you do, the left will come down on you hard. Even most countries will oppose anything you do.
As long as you are coming down on foreigners, this shouldn't be an issue.
justme
2017 Nov 4, 8:03am
Strategist
2017 Nov 4, 8:45am
“The pro-IS groups are trying to stage another Marawi-style attack in other cities. They have lots of money to fund more attacks as they looted billions of pesos from Marawi during the siege,” a senior security source told Channel NewsAsia.
Dear Philippines,
Please hunt down and slaughter every ISIS supporter you can find. Do not respect their human rights, they don't deserve any. We will look the other way.
Concerned Strategist.
Tenpoundbass
2017 Nov 4, 8:57am
Dear Philippines,
Please hunt down and slaughter every ISIS supporter you can find. Do not respect their human rights, they don't deserve any. We will look the other way.
Concerned Strategist.
I say put them in a cage and dunk it. Throw some off buildings but bury them all in a Pig Pen 3 feet beneath Pig Shit.
Sooooo - Duterte is going to crush them again - probably not the strongman you want to emulate - just sayin.....perhaps using something other than his mouth might work but I see this spreading northward in the Philippines and branching out to join up with the other groups in nearby countries.
Military says at least 18 killed and 83 wounded at twin Catholic church bombings on Sunday in southern Jolo; the Islamic State-aligned Abu Sayyaf is the chief suspect
http://www.atimes.com/article/philippine-church-bombing-points-to-abu-sayyaf-terror-group/
And in Indonesia...
Democracy and terrorism a wicked mix in Indonesia
Jailed terror leader Abu Bakar Ba'asyir is held in austere and closely watched prison conditions, officials tell Asia Times, but the aging cleric still has political pull beyond his cell (they were going to release him but reconsidered)
http://www.atimes.com/article/democracy-and-terrorism-a-wicked-mix-in-indonesia/
Will someone kindly inform Potus ISIS and similar have not been defeated.
small numbers of delusional extremists may call themselves ISIS, but they are meaningless in the larger order of things.
Watch and learn in Southeast Asia - they will be back as a force to deal with in the not too distant future in the Middle East.
Patience grasshopper, patience
While Islamic State has taken responsibility for Sunday's lethal twin blasts, the obscure Adjang-Adjang Group stands accused of actually carrying out the attacks
http://www.atimes.com/article/the-real-culprits-behind-the-philippine-church-bombing/
curious2
2019 Feb 8, 12:42pm
extremists may call themselves ISIS
No one has ever called themselves "ISIS". That term is a confection by western MSM.
The Islamic State was abbreviated "ISIL" (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) by the U.S. military and the Obama administration. MSM and Donald Trump called them "ISIS". In reality, Isis was an ancient Egyptian goddess, and is the given name of many living females and some corporations.
Muslims call ISIL "daesh" (bigot).
Islamic groups can change names and flags as easily as people change clothing: Al Nusra, Al Qaeda, Islamic State, whatever. As per Islam, they strike terror into the enemies of Allah (Koran chapter 8) and kill disbelievers (Koran chapter 9, among others). Islamic State caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was a Muslim born to a Muslim family in a Muslim community in a Muslim country; he had a PhD in Islamic studies, and Islamic State terrorists made a point of justifying everything they did on the basis of scriptures that 90% of Muslims hold sacred. They were not "extremists" in terms of their beliefs. They simply put into action, immediately, what most Muslims believe should happen eventually.
It's like the difference between dogs and wolves. Wolves eat their kill immediately. Dogs are domesticated, bred for less adrenaline, so they can wait, but they can also go feral.
ISIL and KSA have the same agenda, but KSA works more patiently, using Petrodollar corruption to hijack NATO from the inside.
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"Thousands of civilians fled fighting in the Philippines on Wednesday as troops tried to fend off Islamist militants who took over large parts of a city, capturing Christians, seizing and torching buildings and setting free scores of prisoners.
Islamic State claimed responsibility for the rampage via its Amaq news agency, and President Rodrigo Duterte defended his decision to declare martial law on Mindanao, the Muslim-majority island where Marawi City is located, to prevent the spread of extremism in the impoverished region.
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[President Duterte] said Islamic State must be repelled from the Christian-majority Philippines and he would use all means possible to crush the Maute group and the allied Abu Sayyaf, whatever the consequences.
"Anyone now holding a gun, confronting government with violence, my orders are spare no one, let us solve the problems of Mindanao once and for all," said Duterte, who is from the island, after cutting short a visit to Russia and returning to Manila.
"I might declare martial law throughout the country to protect the people," said the President, at a news conference in Manila, Wednesday.
"I had to declare martial law in the Mindanao group of islands," said Duterte, who cut short a visit to Russia to come home to deal with the violence. "It is our constitutional duty to enforce the law and provide security."
The current martial law order -- which covers both the city of Marawi and the wider island of Mindanao, of which Marawi is a part -- came after deadly clashes broke out between Filipino government troops and Islamist militants Tuesday."
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