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RC2006 says

After this one I will never go to theatre to see star wars again. With all the bad reviews I went to see tlj with only my oldest son usually I would take the whole family. I saw all the originals when I was a kid and not wasting my money taking my kids for this gatbage, and I'm sure I'm not alone. 49% on rotten now and its not hackers or bots leaving long pissed off reviews like liberal news is portraying.

I already refused to see the latest after suffering through that Rogue One dreck at year or so ago.

They will never get another dime from me.

On IMDB, Last Jedi is ranked only above Phantom Menace (which featured Jar Jar binks), and slightly above Attack of the Clones. So it's obvious even Star Wars fans themselves are universally split on the film.

As far as I'm concerned, it's only the original Series for me. Everything else is BS. As a kid I read some of the extended universe stuff which wasn't bad. I put up with Lucas' prequels, where better dialogue and a stupid yet confused plot can be better found on a bad Daytime Soap. I assume the Disney ones are horrible.

So far from the original "Mythic Hero" set up. Should have put a real fan like Kevin Smith in charge.

RC2006 says

Jar Jar Finn

How did I miss this.

This encapsulates how I feel about Finn.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

As far as I'm concerned, it's only the original Series for me. Everything else is BS. As a kid I read some of the extended universe stuff which wasn't bad. I put up with Lucas' prequels, where better dialogue and a stupid yet confused plot can be better found on a bad Daytime Soap. I assume the Disney ones are horrible.

So far from the original "Mythic Hero" set up. Should have put a real fan like Kevin Smith in charge.

I can't consider The Last Jedi canon unless Episode 9 is so damn good it makes everything make sense.

Another thing I just thought about with Last Jedi.

In ROTJ, Luke refuses to kill his father. He even tosses his light saber to the ground because he senses that there is still good in Vader/Anakin. Anakin is responsible for killing most of the Jedi (including younglings), and probably has killed millions during the war with the Rebels.

YET in Last Jedi, he's ready to slice his nephew in half due to some vague vision of him engaging with the dark side?

It's like Rian Johnson never saw Episode 4-6 at all!

Goran_K says

No one is blaming this on a president

I know. I didn't. I said "suppose."
Goran_K says

They introduce her as some battle hardened general who has won spectacular victories in space

This is true. And then you come to the conclusion thatGoran_K says

she comes out looking like a Pussy Hat wearing protester at a Hilary Clinton rally.

I don't disagree with this whatsoever. Our bookmarks are on the same page here. I was just responding to what had become political, your meme, based on a science fiction movie.
Goran_K says

I'm glad you thought this movie was great and entertaining, a lot of people did not.

Never said great. Even a shitty Adam Sandler film can entertain me sometimes, but not all the time. Watching a 747 land can be entertaining. Eating lunch on a sidewalk cafe and people watching can be entertaining. None of these activities are great necessarily.
Goran_K says

The movie is freaking terrible and a huge part of why it's terrible is because it's full of SJW heroes that make zero sense, and a plot that's meandering with SJW messages about "big bad rich people" who keep "child slaves" to take care of majestic animals that just want to be free, the whole thing seems lost at points. Throw in the SJW forced femi nazi crap forcing viewers to think about traditional feminist/male roles and you get a 49% fan rating.

Again, it's your opinion and that's cool. I was entertained enough while watching it. I was with my kids and will reassess when I watch it in my basement.

I get what you're saying, but there are far more actual overreaching instances of SJW behavior. There are real battles to go after and I just don't find a scifi movie to be one of those battles. If you feel the movie is bad because of that, the SJW aspect, then that's cool. I really don't care. Not saying you're wrong. I just think, for example, some feminist studies professor is doing far worse harm to our society then a movie that's watched by 80% men. 100% of women going through that professor are going to be brainwashed. Multiply that by every single college in the country with a class of 20 students and I think you get what my concern is. Based on your nickname for the character that is kind of central in this thread, we are on the same page. We just have different styles.
Goran_K says

If this is irritating you maybe you should find another thread to post in instead of engaging in borderline personal attacks as a mod?

On this one I don't think I've touched the border of any line of personal (in this comment or previous). The Joshuatrio thread (back in SF after 2 year), sure. If we're going by the use of the word "you" as Patrick outlined a couple weeks back, then patnet doesn't exist if we follow that to a T. You have to be able to say you in written/typed text. See.

So you know my previous comment was addressing multiple people and society in general. Men are becoming soft and SJW's are making it more that way. I'll be honest, if you thought in my comment I was projecting (not sure if that's a personal attack on me or not), then you may also be projecting.

You can hate the movie, I certainly won't defend it on my end from an artistic standpoint. My main point is don't (anyone) get caught up in this movie being some SJW propaganda flick. Keep the eye on the prize. Fight the actual societal SJW types so it doesn't warp an entire generation. Make sure these people don't have influence on Hollywood or more importantly your kids in high school or college.

Making a long story short, don't get caught up in Star Wars being an SJW movie. That's what they want. They win. They attract your attention over here, while they're brainwashing a new round of fembots and frankly idiots.

WookieMan says

You can hate the movie, I certainly won't defend it on my end from an artistic standpoint. My main point is don't (anyone) get caught up in this movie being some SJW propaganda flick. Keep the eye on the prize. Fight the actual societal SJW types so it doesn't warp an entire generation. Make sure these people don't have influence on Hollywood or more importantly your kids in high school or college.

Making a long story short, don't get caught up in Star Wars being an SJW movie. That's what they want. They win. They attract your attention over here, while they're brainwashing a new round of fembots and frankly idiots.

Don't understand your logic here. The movie is universally divisive to fans. What exactly are SJW's "winning"? If half the audience tunes out, does that not inherently mean they've "lost influence"? Rian Johnson got signed for 3 movies with Disney (a contract worth triple digit millions to him), the way to reduce this guy's SJW influence is to simply not tune in. Look at what happened to the NFL this season, or CNN's ratings. I'm certainly not paying for another Star Wars ticket. I'm almost at the point that I have zero interest in Star Wars as long as Disney owns it.

That's all people are saying here, and you seem to be reading way too much into criticisms of the movie. It was just bad (for many people, not yourself, you seemed to like it and that's fine), and it sucks they ruined a license that many of us grew up with. I know I certainly won't be introducing my children to these movies. They've effectively lost this family, and it's money.

Goran_K says

Don't understand your logic here. The movie is universally divisive to fans.

You've answered you own subliminal question here in a sense. Why on earth, should a scifi movie be DIVISIVE! That is my logic. You hate the movie, that's cool. I don't love it, I hope that's cool on your end. I don't think we're divided, though I'm feeling that's the vibe from you. And that's honestly fine, I'm not going to pull another users (BP - I'm bad, oh well) method and tell you how or what to feel. As I've said, I don't think you're wrong for not liking the movie based on what you've stated here.

I'll try to clarify what I'm getting at here hopefully. The new Star Wars is a FULL grown redwood, 200 years old. It is what it is. You can hate it. You can think it sucks. The problem is that redwood (fully developed SJW) is dropping the seeds/cones of future redwoods (baby/teenage/college SJW's) and has been for a while. It's fine to hate that old redwood, but guess what, it's been growing it's babies left and right while you've been focused on how bad that big old redwood has been.

We need to focus on the seeds of the problem to fix it. Politicizing the mature tree ain't accomplishing nothing. This is why I don't like reviews of this movie pulling in the SJW stuff. If you don't want to buy another ticket or own the movie, then do that. I never said don't. Boycotts can work. Money matters.

Quick note, coming from the guy with a star wars name and avatar, we need to stop glorifying the originals. Great nostalgic movies for sure. But let's be realistic, they're not good movies in the technical sense, especially on the acting front. They are entertaining.

WookieMan says

The new Star Wars is a FULL grown redwood, 200 years old.

Uh. Moving on.

Goran_K says

Uh. Moving on.

Cool.

Just wait for the new transgender Jedi master to replace Obi Wan- or maybe they will give a secret gay lover to Luke?

lostand confused says

Just wait for the new transgender Jedi master to replace Obi Wan- or maybe they will give a secret gay lover to Luke?

This is not even satire.

Idris Elba just made a suggestion that James Bond, 007, should be a woman. A black woman.

RC2006 says

After this one I will never go to theatre to see star wars again.

That was my thought exactly as I walked out. Way too much SJW shit for me. Last 2 were heading downhill and then this pile of crap.

These are actually worse than the 3 child oriented shows they let out last decade. I didn't think they could mangle it any more haha...

Actually whatsherface as Q in 007 wasn't bad because she came off like Maggie Thatcher.

But if they made Q a Lesbian with Pink Hair telling James Bond he needs to get active consent, that would be obnoxious.

Goran_K says

Who the heck is Rian Johnson?

Kathleen Kennedy's bitch!

just_passing_through says

These are actually worse than the 3 child oriented shows they let out last decade. I didn't think they could mangle it any more haha...

Seriously. I was thinking back to Revenge of the Sith and thought, "Geez, ROTS is FAR better than Last Jedi".

Force Awakens may have had some SJW shit but it was at least entertaining and had lots of "setup" and lots of "payoff".

Maybe Rian Johnson is just a retard.

just_passing_through says

These are actually worse than the 3 child oriented shows they let out last decade. I didn't think they could mangle it any more haha...

That bad?

1: I figured this was a sop to get the preteen kids on board with Annakin the magic 7-year old and Jar Jar
2: I was like, oh, this could be Count Dooku looks into the abyss and becomes the abyss, looking for tactics to defeat the Sith he becomes one himself and Annakin is corrupted by him a little bit.
3: Annakin becomes fully corrupted and eventually becomes the abyss.

But no, it was just stupid.

I haven't seen any of the new ones.

Hint to writers: Stop making the young heroes ultracompetent. Both Luke and Daniel-sen needed training. Even Rocky trained and Jack Burton needed some potions to stand up to Lo Pan.

Next installment will be better. A female Darth Knobby Strap on will rip a new asshole in Darth Cuck after a prolonged dildo sabre battle, and then celebrate victory by bringing Rey to multiple orgasm with her light dildo.

This is what happens when you make a Star Wars movie in Portland.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Hint to writers: Stop making the young heroes ultracompetent. Both Luke and Daniel-sen needed training. Even Rocky trained and Jack Burton needed some potions to stand up to Lo Pan.

It's called character development. She should have discovered the force and slowly learned its abilities with Luke. That's what made ESB so intriguing was seeing Luke learn from master Yoda.

I think TFW had some good setups. Teased Rey's parents, so we were thinking "wow might get to know more about her in Last Jedi." They could have explored this.

Nope, it ends up her parents are nobodies? Cool Rian Johnson, real cool.

For some reason they just can't seem to get this right. Why is it so hard for them, I don't know.

I can tell they are trying to push female heroes to attract young women to buy more SW branded products, but for some reason they are turning it into totally feministic crap which appeals to very few people. They are just really bad at making movies these days.

Still no movie is as good as original star wars, or the Firefly series.

The best female hero movie I've seen recently was Wonder Woman. Funny thing is leftist hated it because Gal Gadot was too hot. I'm serious.

Gal Gadot's slim figure is "oppression" to feminist.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wonder-woman-feminist-icon-or-symbol-of-oppression_us_594d30bbe4b0f078efd980e3

Rey needed a training montage!
www.youtube.com/embed/pFrMLRQIT_k

Goran_K says

I'll never forgive Leftist, they actually ruined Star Wars

This is what you get for subscribing to a false, divisive paradigm. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but I don't have any left/right hangups.

NuttBoxer says

This is what you get for subscribing to a false, divisive paradigm. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but I don't have any left/right hangups.

Purple haired lesbian Hillary supporter was only half of why I hated it.

The other half was huge gaping plot holes and literally no connection to the old trilogy in terms of character development (Luke is literally not Luke), heck, there's BARELY a connection to TFA.

Some people like mindless entertainment where the narrative has numerous unconnected subplots, and it's just laser swords, explosions etc, and that's fine, I prefer solid story writing for the money I'm paying.

WookieMan says

I'm not sure what kind of ladies you all hang around with, but apparently that might be part of the problem. For some reason, a fictitious character in a movie is making you feel, well feel a little less about yourself.

I recognize that I sound like our redpill cucks but I can assure you its not well founded. Like Goran (who I do not align with politically) I did well with the ladies when young & poor, and same now. FWIW I am married to a very high achieving woman who is well respected and well liked. She has repeatedly declined to lead/speak for women's groups who wanted her (too political, people too weird), yet she noted the same thing when we got out and discussed the film.

Last I mostly agree with you that there is wayyy too much political bent ascribed to everything by many of our patnetters, but on this one, I reluctantly side with them.

anon_d06f9 says

Last I mostly agree with you that there is wayyy too much political bent ascribed to everything by many of our patnetters, but on this one, I reluctantly side with them.

Let's be honest. You could be a far leftist, and let's say I'm a far rightist. The fact remains the movie was terrible all around. To say "Why are you guys mad, it's just a movie" is laughable.

Gee, Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy only completely obliterated decades of great stories, and declared them non canon for this shit. Why would anyone be angry about that?

Goran_K says

Gal Gadot was too hot.

and Israeli, not a Paleban.

Goran_K says

Let's be honest. You could be a far leftist, and let's say I'm a far rightist. The fact remains the movie was terrible all around. To say "Why are you guys mad, it's just a movie" is laughable.

Whenever you see purple hairs worn proudly in movies, and you hear "white male" pronounced with disdain, scorn, or spite, take it for what it is: advertisement for Trump 2020.

You should be happy that the tribal game is in full swing.
What's next? Oprah for president? You wish!

If Oprah becomes President, it means that the liberal media have succeeded in turning the public into decerebrate fake news sucklers.

Congratulations, liberal media!

Ceffer says

If Oprah becomes President, it means that the liberal media have succeeded in turning the public into decerebrate fake news sucklers.

No, it would just mean they have chosen to copy Trump - and the hell with the nation.
You know what they say about the sincerest form of flattery.

Heraclitusstudent says

Whenever you see purple hairs worn proudly in movies, and you hear "white male" pronounced with disdain, scorn, or spite, take it for what it is: advertisement for Trump 2020.

Good point.

Rin says

Goran_K says

Who the heck is Rian Johnson?

Kathleen Kennedy's bitch!

I think this nails it on the head. The real reason why he was given another trilogy to do was because he did whatever Kathleen Kennedy wanted. TLJ was not a good movie by any objective standard. It was the only Star Wars movie that I've ever looked at my watch. The whole casino subplot was just absolutely awful. Talk about the dumbest/slowest chase scene ever. "Hey guys, we have the most powerful fleet in the universe following a tiny ship that can't do anything...what's the plan?...just follow behind them nice and slow..." Seriously?! How the F do you have a Star Wars movie with 0 light saber duels!?! The fight with Snoke's guards was cool, but they didn't have light sabers. Why do you ruin Luke Skywalker? F Rian Johnson! I absolutely loved Star Wars, and this movie completely ruined it going forward. I'll probably watch 9, but I have no intention of seeing anything else from Rian Johnson.

The Star Wars franchise is pandering to women. The whole point of this propaganda thread is to try and convince white working class males that their interest is better served by Republicans than by Democrats. You are trying to get white working class males to vote against their own economic self-interest by invoking feminism as the bogeyman, and Republicans and Trump as their savior. This has been standard operating procedure for Republican propagandists probably as far back as 1960, if not before.

As usual:

1. "leftism" is one of the new designated propaganda words of 2017-2018. Before that I never heard of it, now it is being echoed everywhere in the propaganda echo chamber.

2. equating feminism with "leftism" is yet another propaganda technique. This particular thread is a perfect example. Rather than arguing against feminism, which is what it should do, it argues against "leftism" by equating it with feminism.

anon_8243a says

Why do you ruin Luke Skywalker?

Luke in TLJ is such a terrible character devoid of all logic.

In TFA, he leaves this secret map behind, a map guarded by his closest allies (Kylo Ren chops an old guy in half to get the map to Skywalker during the opening moments of TFA) just in case shit hits the fan and they need a trained Jedi to help bring back order to the galaxy.

Then in TLJ, Rey arrived on the Jedi island, and what does Luke do? He tosses the lightsaber over the cliff and then acts like an emo bitch the rest of the movie.

How does that make any sense?!

justme says

This has been standard operating procedure for Republican propagandists probably as far back as 1960, if not before.

Hmm, I seem to remember in the 60s the Republicans voting for the Civil Rights Act which was majority opposed by mostly Democrats.

But that's just history and facts getting in the way, carry on!

Best, most accurate review of The Last Jedi yet.
www.youtube.com/embed/R0QPCS4a84k

"No, the movie is BOLLOCKS!" Heh, Heh.

anon_8243a says

Rin says

Goran_K says

Who the heck is Rian Johnson?

Kathleen Kennedy's bitch!

I think this nails it on the head. The real reason why he was given another trilogy to do was because he did whatever Kathleen Kennedy wanted. TLJ was not a good movie by any objective standard. It was the only Star Wars movie that I've ever looked at my watch. The whole casino subplot was just absolutely awful. Talk about the dumbest/slowest chase scene ever. "Hey guys, we have the most powerful fleet in the universe following a tiny ship that can't do anything...what's the plan?...just follow behind them nice and slow..." Seriously?! How the F do you have a Star Wars movie with 0 light saber duels!?! The fight with Snoke's guards was cool, but they didn't have light sabers. Why do you ruin Luke Skywalker? F Rian J...

Yup, I was done w/ this franchise with the following link

http://patrick.net/post/1312570/2017-12-20-star-wars-the-last-jedi-sucks

I'd no longer any affinity for the franchise to delve into the SJW nonsense because it was already apparent with the whole Mary Sue thing, starting in TFA.

http://patrick.net/post/1287984/2015-12-28-in-a-nutshell-star-wars-7-is-mediocre-unoriginal

Goran_K says

Best, most accurate review of The Last Jedi yet.

Oh, lots of CGI Puke?

The worst CGI Puke I ever saw was Star Wars 2 in that arena.

"He gets ripped up by Muslims... I mean Sand People... What's the difference?!" hahahha

More shit ruined by Corporate Baby Boomers.