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TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

FP says

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.

My problem with gun removal is that government starts things with best intentions and ends screwing everything up. They can introduce another 10000 rules and regulations and ignore them just like they did with shooting in TX church (the perp was reported for domestic abuse yet nothing came out of it and he bought a gun which he should not be able to according to already existing rules), Florida school shooting - FBI/local police was informed many times yet nothing, there was a school shooting in NW NM - again shooter was reported to FBI etc. A few more regulations are more likely to screw over law-abiding citizens.

I did not grow up in gun culture, so the question does not hold emotional significance to me. However, I know many people around me who grew up with guns around them, who like having a lot of them in their houses, and who are very responsible owners. New regulations will make their life more difficult while FBI will miss another thousand tips, and after another shooting we will have more calls for new rules and regulations.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

HappyGilmore says

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)

FP says

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society, and that's what it means to me, because I'm interested in reality since I have to deal with it.

Just like slavery really means "1500-1880 Slavery by Europeans" and not "600-1850 Slavery by Muslims from Astrakhan to Arabized Sicily, from Ireland to Ukraine to Zanzibar" or "Slavery generally around the world, from the Aztec sacrifice of POWs to their bloodthirsty gods to African slavery of their enemy tribesmen to the Zanj Rebellion of Black Slaves in the Persian Gulf"

FP says

I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

What's the benefit?

FP says

So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Communities w different cultural values. The larger the differences, the larger the problems. This has been true since the beginning of time, and will always be true.

If a group wants to assimilate, they almost always do just fine. If, however, they reject liberal acceptance of others and would prefer to throw gays off rooftops and/or rape white women, then we have big problems. See Sweden's skyrocketing crime and rape rates for an example.

Sniper says

Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!

If we discount the first item on Bernie's list, the price tag is not much different from that of Iraq war...and money would be spent here as opposed to bombing desert and enriching arms manufacturers. I do not think Bernie is particularly realistic, but he is for sure better than Bush & Co who wasted trillions on chasing camel herders.

Booger says

Add in, he censored dangerous wrongthink. Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society

In general yes, but completely irrelevant for our conversation.

drB6 says

FP says

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.

1. I gave Eastern European countries as an example of relatively (to the US) poor countries, which they are. Income inequality, depending how is measured, is not much off.

2. Former Soviet Union? Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia? A few are in EU, a few others have lower gun homocide rates, for a few there's no data, a few have/had civil wars. A lot of the gun violence in that region is also organized-crime related.

3. Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

Can’t you all just get along?

CBOEtrader says

Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.

You have a truly wonderful understanding of Nazism and Hitler. I love your objectivity.

Hitler's political beliefs drew heavily upon social Darwinism—the view that natural selection applies as much to human society as it does to biological organisms.[101] Hitler believed that history was shaped by a violent struggle between nations and races; and that a nation needed to be united under a strong, centralized state led by an heroic leader in order to succeed in this struggle and that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival; and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[102]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
The truth is that the Nazis didn't have an economic policy, and Hitler considered that a feature and not a bug. And yet the Nazis were ultimately corporatists. German corporatations had a lot of influence on Nazis, and not the other way around. He used the word socialist, but specifically said that it was nothing like marxist socialism.

You know this, but say what you say becasue of an apparent need to conflate progressives with Nazis, while simultaneously lecturing progressives on their tendencies toward name calling.

Wtf ?

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler. Is that the general idea behind what he was going for with his talk of the purity and superiority of the Aryan race ?

The ideology of Nazism was based upon the conception of the ancient Aryan race being a superior race, holding the highest position in the racial hierarchy and that the Germanic peoples were the most racially pure existing peoples of Aryan stock.[33] The Nazi conception of the Aryan race arose from earlier proponents of a supremacist conception of the race as described by racial theorist figures such as Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

marcus says

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.

marcus says

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler.

we agree.

CBOEtrader says

Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)

No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.

Wait, what ?

RafiMaas says

Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.

Nah, we just don't care.

FP_ex says

Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia?

Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus

FP_ex says

Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders. The correlation might look different. Furthermore, the fact that some idiots kill people while driving drunk or texting while driving does not mean that we should prohibit alcohol or cellphones.

HappyGilmore says

It is apples and oranges.

Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags

marcus says

Wait, what ?

You are fixated on the fact that a different group of victim mentality assholes is oppressing a different target demographic, and suggesting that means Nazi's and progressives are different.

I am pointing out that Nazi's and progressives are almost identical, right down to the words they use to describe the outgroup.

T2 says

drB6, I will not be replying to your comments. Nor will I engage in any meaningful discussions on this site any more, for obvious reasons.
FP

Was not my intention to offend you in any way.

drB6 says

I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders

Gun "deaths" is a stat only used by liars or the ignorant. Gun murders is better, but the most relevant stat is violent crime rate per capita.

RafiMaas says

Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?

Education, banking, healthcare, energy, food, and housing are the big ones.

Yes, leftist are totes cool w less regulated private frisbee making companies.

Booger says

There was some serious growth in Germany at the beginning. I'm not sure modern liberals would like Hitler, as he didn't like racial integration and he was imperialistic. I am starting to notice that liberals are becoming more authoritarian with the PC. However, there some interesting points that build on my ideal of a basic minimum income with a market based economy, and governments doing a part in encouraging commerce.

Leftism in a nutshell.
www.youtube.com/embed/BbAa2xt_UeY

RafiMaas says

Trying to? Too much, I rest my case.

english?

Try using grammar others can understand.

RafiMaas says

Education

Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control. See the "dear colleague" letter as an example. Or refer to my other thread wherein wrongthinking teachers and deploreables are removed from school so as to purify the environment. Progressives = nazis

Goran_K says

Leftism in a nutshell.
www.youtube.com/embed/BbAa2xt_UeY

If the waitress was white, then she deserved it. If she is straight she double deserves it. If she supports Trump, she triple deserves it.

Also, you can't blame the poor blacks, history of slavery and all.

In fact, simply posting this is racist. You are either a russian bot or a white supremecist. The federal dept of diversity and inclusion requires you come in for questioning.

CBOEtrader says

Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control

Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control

Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.

Great point.

bob2356 says

Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.

Which is why Monopolist Oligarchs like Carlos Slim (Mexican Phones) and Jeff Bezos (Internet Commerce) like to own them.

FP_ex says

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play.

Nope, no correlation because Lefties want to group suicides and homicides into the same group. That's like comparing apples to army tanks.

FP_ex says

But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?

Pretty Tough to Commit suicide with an AR-15.

Sniper says

Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?

If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.

More unstable people on the left.
If Hillary had won republitards wouldn't be doing this, who crys over this shit?
www.youtube.com/embed/GUBQ5PEFtNE

Goran_K says

If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.

Now you went and did it. Spreading those FACTS again.

How can the gun grabbers complete their mission, when you blow up their narratives?

You're so mean! :)

CBOEtrader says

Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags

No, wrong again. Socialism has an actual definition that I shared with you. Sanders does not advocate for government ownership of all means of production. His platform is vastly different than Socialism.

The functional difference is ENORMOUS. It's impossible for me to imagine that anyone would think they are the same.

drB6 says

Was not my intention to offend you in any way.

You did not. We are cool.