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tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 4:35pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 4:35pm
curious2 says
I was responding to another post which I conveniently quoted before I replied. If you have a beef with the change of topic, please take it up with the poster to which I replied.
And I believe the above is against the rules...
Otherwise, I don't see the relevance to the OP topic, but that applies to most tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJR comments lately: rarely if ever about the thread topic.
I was responding to another post which I conveniently quoted before I replied. If you have a beef with the change of topic, please take it up with the poster to which I replied.
And I believe the above is against the rules...
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curious2
2018 Oct 20, 4:39pm
curious2
2018 Oct 20, 4:39pm
Tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJr, I'll repeat the question for you:
curious2 says
Since you failed to answer the question, it looks like the answer is no, even though you had claimed to be "Pretty sure." It isn't personal to point out that your "sure" comment is false and apparently made up out of thin air. It would be personal to say that you are also not pretty, but I have no idea about that either way.
curious2 says
tatupu70 saysPretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.
Can you please cite any examples, and did any of them affect a midterm election?
Since you failed to answer the question, it looks like the answer is no, even though you had claimed to be "Pretty sure." It isn't personal to point out that your "sure" comment is false and apparently made up out of thin air. It would be personal to say that you are also not pretty, but I have no idea about that either way.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 5:27pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 5:27pm
curious2 says
Obviously it has never happened before, which was the point. Trying to compare the world reaction from this incident to unrelated incidents in the past is misleading at best. Not sure what this has to do with the mid-terms though.
I would agree I'm not pretty--more rugged handsome.
You missed the personal part though. It was this:
curious2 says
Since you failed to answer the question, it looks like the answer is no, even though you had claimed to be "Pretty sure." It isn't personal to point out that your "sure" comment is false and apparently made up out of thin air. It would be personal to say that you are also not pretty, but I have no idea about that either way.
Obviously it has never happened before, which was the point. Trying to compare the world reaction from this incident to unrelated incidents in the past is misleading at best. Not sure what this has to do with the mid-terms though.
I would agree I'm not pretty--more rugged handsome.
You missed the personal part though. It was this:
curious2 says
I don't see the relevance to the OP topic, but that applies to most tatupu70/LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJR comments lately: rarely if ever about the thread topic.
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mell
2018 Oct 20, 6:02pm
Aphroman says
No but they are not being censored. They are all over the site. So are tats posts. Pat is pretty fair wrt free speech from my observations.
They’re not directed at anyone in particular
It’s the same thing the right wing cult45 cucks do when referring to leftist or liberals, I’m just doing the same thing with changing the subject to Right wing tards and conservatives. Is turnabout foul play?
No but they are not being censored. They are all over the site. So are tats posts. Pat is pretty fair wrt free speech from my observations.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 20, 7:09pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 20, 7:09pm
tatupu70 says
Yet Obama and Bush were okay not to impose penalties for the execution of gays, witches, and teenage protesters either in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not one person, multitude of individuals year after year, most notably in 2011.
That's what compare and contrast (The incorrect use of "Whataboutery") is all about.
We all know the "only thing" that "really changed" was OrangeManBad, and Saudi support for ending the Iran Deal, something many insiders leaking and working with the Washington Post were involved with and want to have as a Legacy. It's still obnoxious, but so is executing "Witches" in the 21st Century.
Now if Khashoggi was a NON-Saudi Citizen, it would be an infamous assault on diplomatic standards. But he was a Saudi Citizen on Saudi Territory (Embassies are considered respective National Territory), and not an American or Turkish Citizen.
Pretty sure that any time a journalist was murdered by the leader of our ally in their embassy ffs, there was an outcry.
Yet Obama and Bush were okay not to impose penalties for the execution of gays, witches, and teenage protesters either in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not one person, multitude of individuals year after year, most notably in 2011.
That's what compare and contrast (The incorrect use of "Whataboutery") is all about.
We all know the "only thing" that "really changed" was OrangeManBad, and Saudi support for ending the Iran Deal, something many insiders leaking and working with the Washington Post were involved with and want to have as a Legacy. It's still obnoxious, but so is executing "Witches" in the 21st Century.
Now if Khashoggi was a NON-Saudi Citizen, it would be an infamous assault on diplomatic standards. But he was a Saudi Citizen on Saudi Territory (Embassies are considered respective National Territory), and not an American or Turkish Citizen.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 8:29pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 8:29pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Nope. It's apples and oranges.
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your Consulate after he came on the promise of getting papers so he could obtain a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.
That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. The outcry began before Trump even commented on it.
(edited so any anal retentive readers don't get all worked up)
We all know the "only thing" that "really changed" was OrangeManBad, and Saudi support for ending the Iran Deal, something many insiders leaking and working with the Washington Post were involved with and want to have as a Legacy. It's still obnoxious, but so is executing "Witches" in the 21st Century.
Nope. It's apples and oranges.
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your Consulate after he came on the promise of getting papers so he could obtain a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.
That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. The outcry began before Trump even commented on it.
(edited so any anal retentive readers don't get all worked up)
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Shaman
2018 Oct 20, 8:43pm
Shaman
2018 Oct 20, 8:43pm
tatupu70 says
The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your embassy after he came on the promise of getting a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.
The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 8:47pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 20, 8:47pm
Quigley says
And sucking up to the world's #1 funder of terrorism is best for the United States?
The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.
And sucking up to the world's #1 funder of terrorism is best for the United States?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 20, 8:49pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 20, 8:49pm
tatupu70 says
Again, he's not a journalist. He's a shill. He writes opinion pieces excusing violence in the name of, and advancing the cause, of Political Islamism
And as I stated, Khashoggi was buddies WITH the terrorist funders, like Prince Turki, as well as the recipients of Turki's donations, Osama bin Laden. He's against MbS and the King because they're moving away from exporting extreme Wahabbism and supporting Hamas and other Islamist Groups. They're starting some slow (by necessity) Liberal reforms, but Khashoggi doesn't want Liberal Reforms, he wants Political Islamist "Reforms".
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your embassy after he came on the promise of getting a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.
Again, he's not a journalist. He's a shill. He writes opinion pieces excusing violence in the name of, and advancing the cause, of Political Islamism
And as I stated, Khashoggi was buddies WITH the terrorist funders, like Prince Turki, as well as the recipients of Turki's donations, Osama bin Laden. He's against MbS and the King because they're moving away from exporting extreme Wahabbism and supporting Hamas and other Islamist Groups. They're starting some slow (by necessity) Liberal reforms, but Khashoggi doesn't want Liberal Reforms, he wants Political Islamist "Reforms".
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 6:41am
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 6:41am
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Sounds like he was friends with someone 20 years ago who may or may not have funded terrorism. Is that the best you've got? Surely today's Republican talking points will be better.
Again, he's not a journalist. He's a shill. He writes opinion pieces excusing violence in the name of, and advancing the cause, of Political Islamism
lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
And as I stated, Khashoggi was buddies WITH the terrorist funders,
Sounds like he was friends with someone 20 years ago who may or may not have funded terrorism. Is that the best you've got? Surely today's Republican talking points will be better.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 21, 8:27am
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 21, 8:27am
Aphros comments are personal far more than anyone else.
Its funny watching him complain being forced to follow the rules.
Its funny watching him complain being forced to follow the rules.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 10:58am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 10:58am
tatupu70 says
I sure am. Khashoggi isn't the least bit objective nor does he try to be. The man waxed poetic over Hamas.
Khashoggi is a journalist the way Michael Moore and John Pilger are Journalists. Or Acost Ya is a Journalist.
OBL and Khashoggi were Lifelong Friends since they were schoolboys. Khashoggi visited OBL in Afghanistan many times in the 80s and 90s. Such good friends that Khashoggi was asked to try to bring him back from the cliff in the 90s.
lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?
I sure am. Khashoggi isn't the least bit objective nor does he try to be. The man waxed poetic over Hamas.
Khashoggi is a journalist the way Michael Moore and John Pilger are Journalists. Or Acost Ya is a Journalist.
OBL and Khashoggi were Lifelong Friends since they were schoolboys. Khashoggi visited OBL in Afghanistan many times in the 80s and 90s. Such good friends that Khashoggi was asked to try to bring him back from the cliff in the 90s.
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Goran_K
2018 Oct 21, 11:04am
Goran_K
2018 Oct 21, 11:04am
CBOEtrader says
Yeah chill out Aphroman or you're going to have a lot of silent replies.
Aphros comments are personal far more than anyone else.
Its funny watching him complain being forced to follow the rules.
Yeah chill out Aphroman or you're going to have a lot of silent replies.
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anonymous
2018 Oct 21, 12:32pm
tatupu70 says
Quigley saysSo what should the US do? Bomb Saudi Arabia? What are the options?The United States needs to do what is best for the United States, regardless of how a barbaric monarchy treats its barbaric people.
And sucking up to the world's #1 funder of terrorism is best for the United States?
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curious2
2018 Oct 21, 2:36pm
curious2
2018 Oct 21, 2:36pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
Let the USN take the entire Persian gulf. Take the oil. Sell it to China and the highest bidders worldwide. That would balance trade. This has nothing to do with Khashoggi. It is about the fact that Islam hates us. It makes no sense to pay $$$ to people who use that $ to finance terror campaigns against us. Candidate Trump said, "take the oil." He did not say buy. He said, "Islam hates us." He was right both times. If he does what he said, he'll win 2020 in a landslide. Already I think the Republicans will hold both houses in the midterms, because Democrats continue to obsess over stories that are not in the interest of American voters. American interest is to quit paying $ to people who use our $ to kill us; take the oil and sell it.
That is also what's behind the 'deep state' resistance to the President. For decades, they have cultivated relationships promoting Islamic jihadis against communists. Cutting the jihadis out of the loop would violate those relationships and end the kickbacks (baksheesh) that corrupt the swamp. Swamp creatures want their kickbacks, and sell out the USA for Petrodollars.
So what should the US do? Bomb Saudi Arabia? What are the options?
Let the USN take the entire Persian gulf. Take the oil. Sell it to China and the highest bidders worldwide. That would balance trade. This has nothing to do with Khashoggi. It is about the fact that Islam hates us. It makes no sense to pay $$$ to people who use that $ to finance terror campaigns against us. Candidate Trump said, "take the oil." He did not say buy. He said, "Islam hates us." He was right both times. If he does what he said, he'll win 2020 in a landslide. Already I think the Republicans will hold both houses in the midterms, because Democrats continue to obsess over stories that are not in the interest of American voters. American interest is to quit paying $ to people who use our $ to kill us; take the oil and sell it.
That is also what's behind the 'deep state' resistance to the President. For decades, they have cultivated relationships promoting Islamic jihadis against communists. Cutting the jihadis out of the loop would violate those relationships and end the kickbacks (baksheesh) that corrupt the swamp. Swamp creatures want their kickbacks, and sell out the USA for Petrodollars.
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Patrick
2018 Oct 21, 2:55pm
Patrick
2018 Oct 21, 2:55pm
tatupu70 says
Lol!
It has everything to do with Trump. The media is 100% OrangeManBad 24/7/365. There is an absolutely perfect correlation between whatever Trump does and whatever the media is outraged about today.
But that said, the reflexive bigotry against Trump may have a good side-effect in this case. I've been waiting since 11 Sept 2001 for the media to start telling the truth about the Saudis. They are finally doing it, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Same kind of TDS-inspired attack happened to Facebook when they dared to publicly use facts correct the media lie that Russia somehow used Facebook to swing the election. Facebook went from media darling to Satan incarnate overnight.
It's all about Trump yet again. TDS is the sole driving force of the entire Democratic Party and their wholly-owned media these days. It's so bitter and shallow and transparent as to be comical. At least this makes it very easy for Americans to know who to vote for in the midterms.
That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.
Lol!
It has everything to do with Trump. The media is 100% OrangeManBad 24/7/365. There is an absolutely perfect correlation between whatever Trump does and whatever the media is outraged about today.
But that said, the reflexive bigotry against Trump may have a good side-effect in this case. I've been waiting since 11 Sept 2001 for the media to start telling the truth about the Saudis. They are finally doing it, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Same kind of TDS-inspired attack happened to Facebook when they dared to publicly use facts correct the media lie that Russia somehow used Facebook to swing the election. Facebook went from media darling to Satan incarnate overnight.
It's all about Trump yet again. TDS is the sole driving force of the entire Democratic Party and their wholly-owned media these days. It's so bitter and shallow and transparent as to be comical. At least this makes it very easy for Americans to know who to vote for in the midterms.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 4:23pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 4:23pm
Patrick says
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. From my seat it sure looks like Trump LOVES to play the victim and that's his schtick every time he's criticized. And it works as so many people eat it up and blame the media. It's almost pointless for the media to continue to point out his lies, because his followers don't care.
It has everything to do with Trump
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. From my seat it sure looks like Trump LOVES to play the victim and that's his schtick every time he's criticized. And it works as so many people eat it up and blame the media. It's almost pointless for the media to continue to point out his lies, because his followers don't care.
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Shaman
2018 Oct 21, 4:43pm
Shaman
2018 Oct 21, 4:43pm
tatupu70 says
Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.
None of these types of “lies” changes any material fact that matters to Trump supporters. That’s why we don’t care about the media spin.
It's almost pointless for the media to continue to point out his lies, because his followers don't care.
Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.
None of these types of “lies” changes any material fact that matters to Trump supporters. That’s why we don’t care about the media spin.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 5:19pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 5:19pm
Quigley says
No, most of the time they are outright naked lies where Trump is either just making things up out of thin air, or purposely misstating facts.
Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.
No, most of the time they are outright naked lies where Trump is either just making things up out of thin air, or purposely misstating facts.
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curious2
2018 Oct 21, 5:52pm
curious2
2018 Oct 21, 5:52pm
President Trump is not on the ballot in the midterm. If you look at the 2016 ballot, the most honest candidates were Bernie (who got robbed) and Gary (who got 4%). In the general election, 96% of the voters chose liars. President Obama said, "All politicians lie." If Democrats' midterm strategy is to say the President lied, that seems unlikely to produce a better result than in 2016, when Democrats lost both houses of Congress.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:51pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:51pm
Quigley says
Another thing factcheckers do is claim "We don't have the time to factcheck everything"
So they take less controversial or more fungible statements from political candidates they support, contextualize them to the hilt, and declare them mostly true 25 of 30 times.
With the ones they don't like, they do the opposite, pick out the most controversial claims, take the literal meaning whenever, and don't contextualize them at all. False 25 of 30 times.
Because when the media “point out his lies” they either:
1) nitpick the details offering differences in statistics from other data sources, then declare the statement a lie based on differing opinions
2) deny deny deny a truth Trump is pointing out, only to be quietly proven wrong six months later.
3) quibble over hyperbole where trump makes a slight exaggeration.
Another thing factcheckers do is claim "We don't have the time to factcheck everything"
So they take less controversial or more fungible statements from political candidates they support, contextualize them to the hilt, and declare them mostly true 25 of 30 times.
With the ones they don't like, they do the opposite, pick out the most controversial claims, take the literal meaning whenever, and don't contextualize them at all. False 25 of 30 times.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:54pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:54pm
tatupu70 says
Bonk! Khashoggi was not a journalist or reporter in the mold of Edward Murrow. He was an "Accountability Journalist" aka Opinion Writer, and a Media Adviser for the Saudi Intel Chief in the 90s.
And just about every country in the world has turned the other way when Iran and Saudi Arabia has executed multiple gays and witches. CNN and WaPo hardly gave a fuck. The very rare report and even rarer op-ed on the need for "Reform" without any calls for a massive embargo or cancellation of any weapons deals, much less resignations of Leaders.
I know DC elites think one Islamist Shill is more than scores of gays, "Witches", and protesters, but I don't agree.
The attitude has shifted 180 degrees.
Nope. It's apples and oranges.
Torturing and killing a journalist and then cutting him up with a bone saw in your Consulate after he came on the promise of getting papers so he could obtain a marriage license is simply nothing like your whataboutisms.
That's why there is outrage. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump. The outcry began before Trump even commented on it.
Bonk! Khashoggi was not a journalist or reporter in the mold of Edward Murrow. He was an "Accountability Journalist" aka Opinion Writer, and a Media Adviser for the Saudi Intel Chief in the 90s.
And just about every country in the world has turned the other way when Iran and Saudi Arabia has executed multiple gays and witches. CNN and WaPo hardly gave a fuck. The very rare report and even rarer op-ed on the need for "Reform" without any calls for a massive embargo or cancellation of any weapons deals, much less resignations of Leaders.
I know DC elites think one Islamist Shill is more than scores of gays, "Witches", and protesters, but I don't agree.
The attitude has shifted 180 degrees.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 6:57pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 6:57pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I see--unless you're Edward Murrow, it's fair game for Governments to lure you to their Consulate, murder you, and cut you up with a bonesaw?
Is that how it works?
Bonk! Khashoggi was not a journalist or reporter in the mold of Edward Murrow. He was an "Accountability Journalist" aka Opinion Writer, and a Media Adviser for the Saudi Intel Chief in the 90s.
I see--unless you're Edward Murrow, it's fair game for Governments to lure you to their Consulate, murder you, and cut you up with a bonesaw?
Is that how it works?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:58pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 6:58pm
tatupu70 says
Yes. I am not letting the shills at the Washington Post and the Eye-rollers at CNN, who don't understand the world half as well as most people on this forum, tell me a shill is a journalist.
Khashoggi is more a shill for political Islam than Pilger is for Socialism or Dnesh D'Souza for Republicans. Pilger didn't work as Media Adviser for Fidel Castro for years, like Khashoggi did for Prince Turki the enabler of Wahabi Terror.
The day of granting some journalist automatic authority because they were raised on Martha's Vineyard or Setauket or the OC and have a bachelor's in IR or Journalism from Georgetown is over.
lol--so are you the ultimate decider of who is and who isn't a journalist?
Yes. I am not letting the shills at the Washington Post and the Eye-rollers at CNN, who don't understand the world half as well as most people on this forum, tell me a shill is a journalist.
Khashoggi is more a shill for political Islam than Pilger is for Socialism or Dnesh D'Souza for Republicans. Pilger didn't work as Media Adviser for Fidel Castro for years, like Khashoggi did for Prince Turki the enabler of Wahabi Terror.
The day of granting some journalist automatic authority because they were raised on Martha's Vineyard or Setauket or the OC and have a bachelor's in IR or Journalism from Georgetown is over.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 7:01pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 7:01pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
So, just curious--why isn't Saudi showing the world all this supposed evidence of Khashoggi's terrorism ties? Or even better, why didn't they arrest him and charge him like civilized countries do?
Yes. I am not letting the shills at the Washington Post and the Eye-rollers at CNN, who don't understand the world half as well as most people on this forum, tell me a shill is a journalist.
Khashoggi is more a shill for political Islam than Pilger is for Socialism. Pilger didn't work as Media Adviser for Fidel Castro for years, like Khashoggi did for Prince Turki the enabler of Wahabi Terror.
So, just curious--why isn't Saudi showing the world all this supposed evidence of Khashoggi's terrorism ties? Or even better, why didn't they arrest him and charge him like civilized countries do?
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curious2
2018 Oct 21, 7:04pm
curious2
2018 Oct 21, 7:04pm
tatupu70 says
Those ties implicate other Saudis, including royal Saudis. Saudi barbaria didn't do what you claim "civilized" countries do for the obvious reason that it is Saudi barbaria.
just curious--why isn't Saudi showing the world all this supposed evidence of Khashoggi's terrorism ties? Or even better, why didn't they arrest him and charge him like civilized countries do?
Those ties implicate other Saudis, including royal Saudis. Saudi barbaria didn't do what you claim "civilized" countries do for the obvious reason that it is Saudi barbaria.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 7:14pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 21, 7:14pm
tatupu70 says
It is, it's all over the place. WaPo and Buzzfeed have been flipping out over "Saudi Bots" now.
No country is monochrome.
There are Islamist sympathizers among the highest reaches of Saudis with all kinds of variants, from replacing the Monarchy with a Theocratic Republic based on Shar'ia, to simply advancing "True Islam", to those who want the troublemakers to go away, spread Islam, and leave the Monarchy alone.
There are also liberalizers, who need to go really slow because about half the country wants MORE Islam, not less.
Every generation or two swings back and forth. To Khashoggi and bin Talal's generation, Political Islamism was the going thing.
Today, more and more young Saudis want liberalization. But a large chunk of those aged 50+ want more Islam. They want MbS Out, Out, Out.
So, just curious--why isn't Saudi showing the world all this supposed evidence of Khashoggi's terrorism ties? Or even better, why didn't they arrest him and charge him like civilized countries do?
It is, it's all over the place. WaPo and Buzzfeed have been flipping out over "Saudi Bots" now.
No country is monochrome.
There are Islamist sympathizers among the highest reaches of Saudis with all kinds of variants, from replacing the Monarchy with a Theocratic Republic based on Shar'ia, to simply advancing "True Islam", to those who want the troublemakers to go away, spread Islam, and leave the Monarchy alone.
There are also liberalizers, who need to go really slow because about half the country wants MORE Islam, not less.
Every generation or two swings back and forth. To Khashoggi and bin Talal's generation, Political Islamism was the going thing.
Today, more and more young Saudis want liberalization. But a large chunk of those aged 50+ want more Islam. They want MbS Out, Out, Out.
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tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 7:38pm
tatupu70
2018 Oct 21, 7:38pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Good, can you link to something then? And while you're at it, can you list the folks that paid for Obama's education?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
lol--so MBS is the victim here? Amazing. He murders someone and now he's the victim.
It is, it's all over the place
Good, can you link to something then? And while you're at it, can you list the folks that paid for Obama's education?
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Today, more and more young Saudis want liberalization. But a large chunk of those aged 50+ want more Islam. They want MbS Out, Out, Out.
lol--so MBS is the victim here? Amazing. He murders someone and now he's the victim.
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lostand confused
2018 Oct 21, 8:17pm
lostand confused
2018 Oct 21, 8:17pm
curious2 says
Lol-liberals are weird. They suddenly wake up and act like Saudis are the beacon of civilization. Saudis have been torturing and killing their dissidents for quite a while now. That they elt his fiancé go is surprising. They don't put a fake act-they want to make an example. I mean the incredulousness of liberals-LOl! They hang people in the streets and crowds bring their families to watch the "entertainment". What changed? Oh find some way to link to trump-yup-.
Now if you are calling for reform of Saudi and all Muslim nations for that matter-I agree-but no muslims them be good-except if w ecan pin something on trump when muslims be Muslims.
tatupu70 saysjust curious--why isn't Saudi showing the world all this supposed evidence of Khashoggi's terrorism ties? Or even better, why didn't they arrest him and charge him like civilized countries do?
Those ties implicate other Saudis, including royal Saudis. Saudi barbaria didn't do what you claim "civilized" countries do for the obvious reason that it is Saudi barbaria.
Lol-liberals are weird. They suddenly wake up and act like Saudis are the beacon of civilization. Saudis have been torturing and killing their dissidents for quite a while now. That they elt his fiancé go is surprising. They don't put a fake act-they want to make an example. I mean the incredulousness of liberals-LOl! They hang people in the streets and crowds bring their families to watch the "entertainment". What changed? Oh find some way to link to trump-yup-.
Now if you are calling for reform of Saudi and all Muslim nations for that matter-I agree-but no muslims them be good-except if w ecan pin something on trump when muslims be Muslims.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 22, 12:07am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Oct 22, 12:07am
tatupu70 says
I assure you if MBS ordered it, it wouldn't have happened in the Embassy.
tatupu70 says
After I get the answer (including from Bob) as to why Obama didn't sanction SA, allowed the Iran Deal, given their many multitudes of executions and tortures of Gays, "Witches", and teenage protesters. And why Turkey got no sanctions after Erdogan went on a Journalist Jailing crusade and became the #1 incarceration state for journalists.
The reason is I know You and Bob will continue to refuse to answer, but nitpick my answer and soak up all the oxygen. And no, that's not personal, just me explaining why y'all go first (on top of which I asked first).
lol--so MBS is the victim here? Amazing. He murders someone and now he's the victim.
I assure you if MBS ordered it, it wouldn't have happened in the Embassy.
tatupu70 says
Good, can you link to something then? And while you're at it, can you list the folks that paid for Obama's education?
After I get the answer (including from Bob) as to why Obama didn't sanction SA, allowed the Iran Deal, given their many multitudes of executions and tortures of Gays, "Witches", and teenage protesters. And why Turkey got no sanctions after Erdogan went on a Journalist Jailing crusade and became the #1 incarceration state for journalists.
The reason is I know You and Bob will continue to refuse to answer, but nitpick my answer and soak up all the oxygen. And no, that's not personal, just me explaining why y'all go first (on top of which I asked first).
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marcus
2018 Oct 22, 7:00am
marcus
2018 Oct 22, 7:00am
Goran_K says
Why would I want to change your mind ? I want all republicans to strongly believe there will be no blue wave.
There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!
Why would I want to change your mind ? I want all republicans to strongly believe there will be no blue wave.
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Goran_K
2018 Oct 22, 8:36am
Goran_K
2018 Oct 22, 8:36am
marcus says
Nearly 100 Federal judge appointments went through in the last 2 weeks Marcus. All of them conservative constitutionalist.
Do you think it matters what I think at this point?
Why would I want to change your mind ? I want all republicans to strongly believe there will be no blue wave.
Nearly 100 Federal judge appointments went through in the last 2 weeks Marcus. All of them conservative constitutionalist.
Do you think it matters what I think at this point?
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MrMagic
2018 Oct 22, 9:38am
MrMagic
2018 Oct 22, 9:38am
Goran_K says
Let's see what the voters think:
Might be just a Blue tinkle instead of a wave.
Do you think it matters what I think at this point?
Let's see what the voters think:
Might be just a Blue tinkle instead of a wave.
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Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.
Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.
Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".
"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."
That's when Morris dropped his prediction.
"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."
Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.