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marcus says

CBOEtrader says

You will never find the truth as long as you keep doing this.

Fuck off.

Most people are happily, even willfully misled. Your reaction is basic

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

You will never find the truth as long as you keep doing this.

Fuck off. Moron.

Nice edit to add the moron. You dont like being called on your illogical thinking do you?

Have you ever thought of maybe trying to UNDERSTAND someone who disagrees w you?

Regarding globalization above, you failed. Bigly.

Trump, conservatives, liberals, and pretty much everyone basically want the same things. The core disagreement is usually in regards to how to get there.

However, just like professor haidt points out, liberals have never exposed themselves to real counter arguments whereas conservatives cant help but be bombarded by liberal logic. Therefore, when asked to answer questions like the other side, conservatives were accurate in showing understanding of the left where the "liberals" totally failed to understand the right. The kids on the right look at problems realistically, as a tough decisions with no perfect answers. Whereas the left thinks their way is purely virtuous and a counter opinion is merely "racist".

You are displaying the exact same phenomenon. Its gross, its weak, and it shows totally lack of self reflection or knowledge of history, or even basic humility.

Be better man.

We're not the Victims, don't confuse our patience for Obedience to the Commie new world order.
We're just giving Trump first crack at it. I suggest the Liberals shit heads stand down and let the man do his job.

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

You will never find the truth as long as you keep doing this.

Fuck off. Arrogant moron. You and Trump were made for eachother.

A third edit. I wouldnt be in your head like this if your subconscience didnt recognize my truth.

Do you disagree that monolithically accusing groups as [racist/et all] helps lead to truth?

Or are you simply displaying exactly what Jonathan haidt sees in his misguided school children?

Tim Aurora says

Not really but it was one of the side effects and knowing that, lets keep abortion legal , at least in most cases.

So you hate black people I guess. At least you admit your hate.

personal

Ohw! That's gonna leave a mark!

H1B's are the illegals of the tech world, driving down wages.

Except they are legal, because we have been betrayed by our government here too, so that the very rich can get even richer. The H1B program primarily benefits Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates etc.

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Most people are happily, even willfully misled. Your reaction is basic

Right back at you ;-)

I know you are but what am I. Very adult of you.

You see I was pointing out a specific behavior that Marcus displayed. Please point out where I am making the same mistake.

(You cant, because I dont accuse those who disagree a me as being racist/evil en masse. I attempt to have moral and intellectual humility, something the left needs more of.)

Tim Aurora says

We’re not the victims

You have to choose to be a victim.

marcus says

This sounds like a plan: "Let China and Russia and everyone else figure out how to not destroy the world, becasue you know, fuck them all, we've got ours."

Brilliant.

And your plan is to argue daily with a few guys on PATNET?...lol......that'll work

komputodo says

marcus says

This sounds like a plan: "Let China and Russia and everyone else figure out how to not destroy the world, becasue you know, fuck them all, we've got ours."

Brilliant.

And your plan is to argue daily with a few guys on PATNET?...lol......that'll work

It's stupid because noone is suggesting we stick our heads in the sand. Marcus is displaying a fundamental disagreement on the virtues of centralized power vs localized power.

Trump and his supporters want power to remain local, which is the spirit of the American experiment. Trump feels this has far better results for everyone, and I agree with him.

Let's not try to understand Trump or his supporters though, so much easier to dismiss them as racists/uneducated/evil.

This type of logic will always lead people in the wrong direction. If you add righteousness to this ignorance (like today's left) we have a potential recipe for the worst possible human behavior.

I really dislike guys who post a link to an article rather than giving an opinion which they composed themselves.

White people used to mean Americans of European descent as opposed to the blacks who were brought as slaves to North America.

I feel victimized by Uncle Sam every April 15 when I have to write a big check to US Treasury or go to jail. I know a lot of people who are scamming the govt. and others who are just lazy losers who have bastard children who are receiving my tax payment. Fuck them all.

Fuck also those who hire foreigners to replace American workers.

I think his superpower is being 100% wrong about every single thing. I’m gonna call him “Wongcus.”
It’s actually quite impressive. You can set your watch and accurately predict the future by reversing his conclusions and betting on the opposite result.

Happy liberation from Stone Age Death Cults day!

I to am an indigenous person. The only place I have ever called home is America. From birth till death America will always be my place of origin. Making me an indigenous person.

— TONI (@MuhhPrivilege) October 14, 2019

Check the replies, have fun!

Does this mean on this day I don't get my own special pronoun any more?

Quigley says

I think his superpower is being 100% wrong about every single thing. I’m gonna call him “Wongcus.”
It’s actually quite impressive. You can set your watch and accurately predict the future by reversing his conclusions and betting on the opposite result.

Hes right about the Trump deficit being a big problem.

Although, I dont think this is Trumps fault whereas he blames the tax breaks. We are paying $200 billion more per year pm interest payments due to higher debt and higher rates, as compared to just a few years ago under Obama.

^^ this interest payment increase is most of the deficit increase.

Also if you look at federal spending, its healthcare and MIC that take up our federal dollars. Trump is addressing both of these issues as much and as well as could be expected.

Ending wars, lowering medical costs via increased freedom, etc... I think trump is doing pretty well here.

Deficit still a huge problem though, marcus right on that

No I don't hate any race race, much less african americans. It is the young teenage mothers which was the problem. It was fatherless kids growing up in a violent env which is a problem.

And whose policies promoted and encouraged having fatherless kids?

Patrick says

The answer, amazingly, is Trump. But that's only because the political left has utterly and completely failed to protect the working class of the various nations, and instead become obsessed with imaginary "racism" by whites (not by anyone else!), tranny bathrooms, and the right of men to fuck each other in the ass.

The "left" doesn't actually care about any of these issues. Maybe the stupidest of "the left" follow this garbage, but that's it. I'd say about 1/2 of the United States is "stupid". Interestingly, about 1/2 of the United States who is registered to vote is registered as either a "Republican" or "Democrat", and the other 1/2 is registered independent..

Trump is enforcing (or at least convincingly threatening) that asylum seekers will be returned back across the border (to Mexico side) to wait for their (mostly bogus) asylum claims to be adjudicated. That means the caravans will be waiting and causing problems for Mexico, so Mexico is now turning the caravans around at their southern border (which has a big, beautiful wall and guards with machine guns).

This is excellent news for USA citizens who don't want to live in a 3rd-world country. There's also a positive feedback loop: as Mexico turns around the caravans, people in the would-be caravans give up hope and so don't even try in the future; with fewer caravans, Mexico's defenses against them are even more effective; that results in even a higher percentage of caravans being stopped and more would-be caravans not even trying, etc.

When I heard months ago about Trump negotiating this, I thought at the time it would be a huge win for USA border security.

clambo says

Others who run businesses like Carly Fiorina thought that American wages in tech were too high so to help the bottom line she decided to hire foreigners with H1B visas to reduce the payroll expense when HP took over Compaq. I know personally an American who was fired so guys from India could take his job at lower pay.

It's a self-reinforcing problem now, too. American's won't now take jobs in certain sectors because they are discriminated against and forced out by the H1Bs. American's can't take jobs in many construction crews is the USA because they don't speak Spanish (yes, in the United States). Many American's won't move to Silicon Valley because they don't like the deteriorating conditions, high costs, being packed in like sardines, and feeling like a minority in their own country (which they are).

sunnyvaleca is correct; now the future will be even worse.

The offspring of the illegals here are academic underachievers=bad students, and high tech will continue to complain of a shortage of "qualified candidates" for high tech.

It's sad to see what is happening and it's even sadder to talk to people who are not observant enough to see the problem or actually approve of making foreigners the preferred workers in the USA.

Everyone moaned about Bourdain killing himself; I say good riddance, he was always in restaurants in the USA where they charged a bundle and the kitchen was entirely illegals.

One of the reasons I loved Pollo Tropical in Florida and In n Out Burger in California is they don't hire illegals; the Habit hires illegals almost exclusively it seems to me.

I can afford to eat anywhere I please but I don't usually like the experience enough to pay the freight. My favorite expensive joint is in Jupiter FL, The Woods.

I'm digressing as usual.

tune in for next week's manufactured outrage. How the hell are lefties not exhausted from all this? I mean, at this point, people from the right just yawn at every story.

#believemedia

That isn't stopping them from running this secret charade sham, and the media legitimizing it.
That is Pelosi and Schiff's intention, not a legitimate impeachment. They want to poison the well when his Lawmen come forward with the indictments.
They'll now have precedence of Trump refusing the cooperate with their kangaroo court. So between outright flat out resisting them. They will be going to Obama's activist Judges to have special Immunities awarded to them, under some political persecution bullshit suit.

These are slippery slimy scumbags from the shit pipes of Hell, do really think it's Over?

From the article:

House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry

This just means they will continue along with an investigation without having a vote to see if a majority in the house wish to have an investigation. That breaks with precedent. It also means the Democrats, who control the majority in the house, can exclude normal investigative norms such as due process, cross examination of witnesses, ability for Republicans to call witnesses, etc.

This article is basically saying the investigation continue on, but just in a non-standard and covert way. The end result is that Trump supporters will (correctly) believe it was a sham that was covered up by the secrecy.

Here's something to note... can a single disgruntled congress person harass the POTUS and all of his staff with hundreds of subpoenas because that single person claims Trump acted badly? I doubt that would hold up in court. No, Nancy needs to have a vote for inquiry with majority affirming; then the subpoena has the "full power of the House of Representatives" and could legitimately hold up.

OccasionalCortex says

And the drop off in border arrests should have started taking effect as of June or so. But where is the news coverage of that?

That would be a Trump plan causing great cheer among most USA citizens, so you won't be hearing any of that.

marcus says

Patrick says

The ruling parties thought they had successfully and permanently killed democracy... until the people disobeyed direct orders to vote for Hillary and elected Trump instead.

I was agreeing with much of what you said, until here. But also the "them" behind globalization was something that made sense to many of us.

IT always seemed to me that some sort of world cooperation, if not world government was inevitable, if we were to have hope of avoiding nuclear war and if we had hope of protecting the global environment.

Something like a U.N., that is sort of, to the worlds states, the way the US to it's states. We've been gradually moving in that direction, becasue of collective common sense. IT's a way we might sustain humanity.

The idea that avoiding the destruction of the planet through nuclear world war or environmental degradation is someone elses proble...

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down.

In the communist era, we advocated for capitalism. WE advocated for global capitalism that would be better for the world than communism. In my view globalization was a consequence of that. IT certainly wasn't a leftist conspiracy.

"We're not here to call bluffs -- we're here to find the truth, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. This is not a game for us. This is deadly serious."

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Woman CAN tell a joke.

TrumpingTits says

Too bad logic & facts pissed all over it, eh?

Where are these "facts"? Certainly not in your post.

"The U.S. factory sector declined in the three months ended in June, the second straight quarterly decline, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday.
For the second quarter, production was down 1.2% after a 1.9% decline in the first three months of the year. Manufacturing fell at a 2.2% rate in the second quarter after a 1.9% drop in the first three months of the year."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-industrial-production-slumps-in-second-quarter-2019-07-16

TrumpingTits says

They are only in historical context. In Trump Era context, they have gone down

This passes for "logic " in your world? 'Crossing are only high by historical standards, but they've gone down under Trump'. That doesn't even make sense. If they're high by historical standards, then that means they are higher now than they were in the past. Higher than under Obama, higher than under Bush.

You have no room to lecture people on critical thinking skills if this is what passes for yours.

@marcus I don't think globalization was a leftist conspiracy either. Both parties were in on it big time, because there was (and is) big money to be made in taking bribes from China, and much bigger money to be made outsourcing US manufacturing there.

I'm just very disappointed in the Democratic Party, which used to be the party of working people, but now has completely abandoned that and instead is taking money from Soros etc to divide the public with divisive and irrelevant sexual issues.

I'm not disappointed in the Republicans because I expected nothing else from them.

I'm happy that Trump is out there annoying millions of hypocritical Democrats by pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life, and he does it extremely well.

marcus says

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down

Helping other nations of the world at our expense is stupid. World isn't reciprocal, once others rise up, they just kill previous leaders. That's entire fucking human history.

If Pelosi manages to indict in the house, it goes to the senate. In the senate, Trump has (slight ... we hope) majority support. The senate can bring all sorts of witnesses, issue all sorts of subpoenas, and raise all sorts of questions. Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me.

How would the senate act? If the Republicans join the Democrats and vote to remove Trump, the entire Republican party is done. Sitting R senators will lose their seats — which R senators are going to vote for that?

Quigley says

personal

It was worth it...

Patrick says

pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life

MOre like your fantasy reason that makes no sense for voting for him, when we all know your real reason.

It's true that democrats aren't representing the interests of workers, but campaign finance regulations, or the lack there of are what have guaranteed that.

It's almost as if you think Trump gives a fuck about the working people ?

SunnyvaleCA says

Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me

And she’s not dumb, she just plays dumb on tv for her dumb constituents. If she actually pulls the trigger on impeachment, she might as well be signing her own resignation as Speaker. There’s no way all those freshman Congress critters will retain their marginal seats with a groundswell of public disapproval brought on by the coup attempt and its inevitable failure.

marcus says

when we all know your real reason.

Marcus the mind reader.

Didnt you know Dems are magic!

And they have cell phones! At least they aren't starving.

jazz_music says

Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.

How's that working out for Biden?