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Patrick says

The answer, amazingly, is Trump. But that's only because the political left has utterly and completely failed to protect the working class of the various nations, and instead become obsessed with imaginary "racism" by whites (not by anyone else!), tranny bathrooms, and the right of men to fuck each other in the ass.

The "left" doesn't actually care about any of these issues. Maybe the stupidest of "the left" follow this garbage, but that's it. I'd say about 1/2 of the United States is "stupid". Interestingly, about 1/2 of the United States who is registered to vote is registered as either a "Republican" or "Democrat", and the other 1/2 is registered independent..

Trump is enforcing (or at least convincingly threatening) that asylum seekers will be returned back across the border (to Mexico side) to wait for their (mostly bogus) asylum claims to be adjudicated. That means the caravans will be waiting and causing problems for Mexico, so Mexico is now turning the caravans around at their southern border (which has a big, beautiful wall and guards with machine guns).

This is excellent news for USA citizens who don't want to live in a 3rd-world country. There's also a positive feedback loop: as Mexico turns around the caravans, people in the would-be caravans give up hope and so don't even try in the future; with fewer caravans, Mexico's defenses against them are even more effective; that results in even a higher percentage of caravans being stopped and more would-be caravans not even trying, etc.

When I heard months ago about Trump negotiating this, I thought at the time it would be a huge win for USA border security.

clambo says

Others who run businesses like Carly Fiorina thought that American wages in tech were too high so to help the bottom line she decided to hire foreigners with H1B visas to reduce the payroll expense when HP took over Compaq. I know personally an American who was fired so guys from India could take his job at lower pay.

It's a self-reinforcing problem now, too. American's won't now take jobs in certain sectors because they are discriminated against and forced out by the H1Bs. American's can't take jobs in many construction crews is the USA because they don't speak Spanish (yes, in the United States). Many American's won't move to Silicon Valley because they don't like the deteriorating conditions, high costs, being packed in like sardines, and feeling like a minority in their own country (which they are).

sunnyvaleca is correct; now the future will be even worse.

The offspring of the illegals here are academic underachievers=bad students, and high tech will continue to complain of a shortage of "qualified candidates" for high tech.

It's sad to see what is happening and it's even sadder to talk to people who are not observant enough to see the problem or actually approve of making foreigners the preferred workers in the USA.

Everyone moaned about Bourdain killing himself; I say good riddance, he was always in restaurants in the USA where they charged a bundle and the kitchen was entirely illegals.

One of the reasons I loved Pollo Tropical in Florida and In n Out Burger in California is they don't hire illegals; the Habit hires illegals almost exclusively it seems to me.

I can afford to eat anywhere I please but I don't usually like the experience enough to pay the freight. My favorite expensive joint is in Jupiter FL, The Woods.

I'm digressing as usual.

tune in for next week's manufactured outrage. How the hell are lefties not exhausted from all this? I mean, at this point, people from the right just yawn at every story.

#believemedia

That isn't stopping them from running this secret charade sham, and the media legitimizing it.
That is Pelosi and Schiff's intention, not a legitimate impeachment. They want to poison the well when his Lawmen come forward with the indictments.
They'll now have precedence of Trump refusing the cooperate with their kangaroo court. So between outright flat out resisting them. They will be going to Obama's activist Judges to have special Immunities awarded to them, under some political persecution bullshit suit.

These are slippery slimy scumbags from the shit pipes of Hell, do really think it's Over?

From the article:

House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry

This just means they will continue along with an investigation without having a vote to see if a majority in the house wish to have an investigation. That breaks with precedent. It also means the Democrats, who control the majority in the house, can exclude normal investigative norms such as due process, cross examination of witnesses, ability for Republicans to call witnesses, etc.

This article is basically saying the investigation continue on, but just in a non-standard and covert way. The end result is that Trump supporters will (correctly) believe it was a sham that was covered up by the secrecy.

Here's something to note... can a single disgruntled congress person harass the POTUS and all of his staff with hundreds of subpoenas because that single person claims Trump acted badly? I doubt that would hold up in court. No, Nancy needs to have a vote for inquiry with majority affirming; then the subpoena has the "full power of the House of Representatives" and could legitimately hold up.

OccasionalCortex says

And the drop off in border arrests should have started taking effect as of June or so. But where is the news coverage of that?

That would be a Trump plan causing great cheer among most USA citizens, so you won't be hearing any of that.

marcus says

Patrick says

The ruling parties thought they had successfully and permanently killed democracy... until the people disobeyed direct orders to vote for Hillary and elected Trump instead.

I was agreeing with much of what you said, until here. But also the "them" behind globalization was something that made sense to many of us.

IT always seemed to me that some sort of world cooperation, if not world government was inevitable, if we were to have hope of avoiding nuclear war and if we had hope of protecting the global environment.

Something like a U.N., that is sort of, to the worlds states, the way the US to it's states. We've been gradually moving in that direction, becasue of collective common sense. IT's a way we might sustain humanity.

The idea that avoiding the destruction of the planet through nuclear world war or environmental degradation is someone elses proble...

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down.

In the communist era, we advocated for capitalism. WE advocated for global capitalism that would be better for the world than communism. In my view globalization was a consequence of that. IT certainly wasn't a leftist conspiracy.

"We're not here to call bluffs -- we're here to find the truth, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. This is not a game for us. This is deadly serious."

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Woman CAN tell a joke.

TrumpingTits says

Too bad logic & facts pissed all over it, eh?

Where are these "facts"? Certainly not in your post.

"The U.S. factory sector declined in the three months ended in June, the second straight quarterly decline, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday.
For the second quarter, production was down 1.2% after a 1.9% decline in the first three months of the year. Manufacturing fell at a 2.2% rate in the second quarter after a 1.9% drop in the first three months of the year."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-industrial-production-slumps-in-second-quarter-2019-07-16

TrumpingTits says

They are only in historical context. In Trump Era context, they have gone down

This passes for "logic " in your world? 'Crossing are only high by historical standards, but they've gone down under Trump'. That doesn't even make sense. If they're high by historical standards, then that means they are higher now than they were in the past. Higher than under Obama, higher than under Bush.

You have no room to lecture people on critical thinking skills if this is what passes for yours.

@marcus I don't think globalization was a leftist conspiracy either. Both parties were in on it big time, because there was (and is) big money to be made in taking bribes from China, and much bigger money to be made outsourcing US manufacturing there.

I'm just very disappointed in the Democratic Party, which used to be the party of working people, but now has completely abandoned that and instead is taking money from Soros etc to divide the public with divisive and irrelevant sexual issues.

I'm not disappointed in the Republicans because I expected nothing else from them.

I'm happy that Trump is out there annoying millions of hypocritical Democrats by pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life, and he does it extremely well.

marcus says

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down

Helping other nations of the world at our expense is stupid. World isn't reciprocal, once others rise up, they just kill previous leaders. That's entire fucking human history.

If Pelosi manages to indict in the house, it goes to the senate. In the senate, Trump has (slight ... we hope) majority support. The senate can bring all sorts of witnesses, issue all sorts of subpoenas, and raise all sorts of questions. Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me.

How would the senate act? If the Republicans join the Democrats and vote to remove Trump, the entire Republican party is done. Sitting R senators will lose their seats — which R senators are going to vote for that?

Quigley says

personal

It was worth it...

Patrick says

pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life

MOre like your fantasy reason that makes no sense for voting for him, when we all know your real reason.

It's true that democrats aren't representing the interests of workers, but campaign finance regulations, or the lack there of are what have guaranteed that.

It's almost as if you think Trump gives a fuck about the working people ?

SunnyvaleCA says

Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me

And she’s not dumb, she just plays dumb on tv for her dumb constituents. If she actually pulls the trigger on impeachment, she might as well be signing her own resignation as Speaker. There’s no way all those freshman Congress critters will retain their marginal seats with a groundswell of public disapproval brought on by the coup attempt and its inevitable failure.

marcus says

when we all know your real reason.

Marcus the mind reader.

Didnt you know Dems are magic!

And they have cell phones! At least they aren't starving.

jazz_music says

Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.

How's that working out for Biden?

It's almost as if you think Trump gives a fuck about the working people ?

Yes, Trump is the only one fighting the unfettered illegal migration that drives down wages, and the only one fighting to bring factory jobs back from slave labor China.

How's that working out for Biden?

And Clintons. Billy boy got his wife elected Senator by displacing whoever would have ran in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's guaranteed Dem would win district, then tried to get her elected President. Now Chelsea is a "definite maybe" for NY 17th House district.

Our workplace streams CNN 24/7 on giant monitors and I can confirm that this whole Ukraine nonsense has officially left the news. Crazy how the left blows up and hammers it a million times into your head that the orange man is bad, then drops the story when they can't prove jack.

It really gets old. Trump is going to win 2020 due to this nonsense.

Discovery and cross examination are the dire enemies of the LibbyFucks and they know it. It is going to be fake news and throwing mud with no follow through. It's why they can't do what they do without abridging process, engaging in selective, abusive prosecution, and generally wiping their asses with the Constitution.

Did you know politicians will say anything to get your vote!?!?

Too bad OP didn't just use critical thinking skills to analyze taxes over this period. He would have quickly seen that taxes have never been cut. Or use critical thinking to understand that government never gives back power once obtained, and taxes are their sole source or revenue, so cutting them would require giving up power.

So the real tragedy here is the absence of critical thinking skills...

Yep!

First in drone bombings and killings!
First in imperialism!
First in national debt size!
First in murder(some call "defense") contract spending!
First in number of illegals flooding the country!
First in social services offered to illegals once they arrive!
First in prison population(% and overall)!

Way to DRAIN THAT SWAMP!!!

WaltertheoFlanders says

Can you point to anything that says different? I didn't think so.

Uh - maybe the fact that Pelosi won't allow a vote for a formal impeachment inquiry?

WaltertheoFlanders says

Which is up to her to decide. Is there any rule or law saying she must have a vote?

Then the Media can stop breathlessly reporting 24/7 that the House is proceeding with impeachment. All we currently have is just more fishing by Schiff for brains and the rest of the girls in the Democrat party.

Check out CNN's twitter video on impeachment today.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1184499288283459584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184499288283459584&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Ftimothymeads%2F2019%2F10%2F16%2Fsure-looks-like-cnn-just-confirmed-project-veritass-whistleblower-is-telling-the-truth-n2554852

Yep, if there is no vote and no movement and no discovery and no revealed exculpatory evidence then there never will be either an impeachment or a trial. Pelosi and the media are currently trying to back away slowly from the mess they caused. I think they chickened out when they saw the polls showing Trump’s approval numbers RISING in spite of their efforts to smear/impeach him yet again.
America is on to the Demoncrats and we know the media is fake news. We aren’t fooled. The tail can no longer wag the dog.

OccasionalCortex says

they can't really present Articles of Impeachment w/o having that full vote to start the investigation.

I do not think impeachment is the goal. Perhaps influencing next elections is the goal - they try to throw all type of made-up shit and hope that something will stick.

OccasionalCortex says

Just Losers doing what Losers do best. Lose!

3. Conceal exculpatory evidence, while selectively leaking stuff to make Trump look bad.
4. Prevent Trump/GOP from challenging witnesses and presenting exculpatory evidence to the Public.
5. Motivate the base, pretending they're actually doing something concrete beyond smearing with selective leaks.
6. Without putting vulnerable purple/swing state Dems at risk with a vote.

Shouldn't the Judiciary Committee be involved in an Impeachment inquiry?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Among the lurid details of the lawsuit, Jane Doe alleged Trump tied her to a bed, "forcibly raped" her and threatened her and her family with physical harm, if not death, if she told anyone about the assault.

This is clearly false. Trump is incapable of paying attention to another human being for this length of time, much less tying a knot.

He's approaching 80. The botox and face-lift though were a moderate success I'd say. Much harder to do that for the brain.

It's a debate with millionaires arguing with other millionaires about how evil millionaires are.