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It's interesting how the opinions differ from not done enough to done way too much so that it causes more harm. The point is valid depending on whether you want to favor the young or the old or find a decent balance. I do think closing restaurants goes a bit too far, but each state can decide that on their own unless a federal ban kicks in.

My wife and I are likely to take in her sister and kid because of this. No chance in hell she's paying rent April 1st.... She has her flaws, but there's zero reason in my opinion to close down in house dining here. She waitresses and she's fucked at this point. Landlord is fucked. Banks are fucked. Dominos are falling because of people with bum lungs.

Many restaurants themselves won't make it here. Thin margin business if you can even get it off the ground and successful in the first place. Fuck loads of people in IL are going to need help and fast. We're creating a worse crisis in my opinion by the reaction. Pisses me off.

Trump hugely fucked up the European travel ban as well. It resulted in a mass of people trying to get back here like I predicted. O'hare now has a flood of people that almost certainly have the virus. They should have stayed in place. So now I'm in a state that is likely to bust out reported case wise. I fortunately live in the country, so limited interaction with people most days.

GOOD.
Stocks should go to some very small number as they help only rich people. Trumps policies finally help blue collar wage earners! MAGA!

yeah, and when he closed travel to/from China he was RAUCIST! He just can't do anything right

Shaman says

IMHO it’s a solid investment by the central bank. They’ll make 25% or more in a few months, in addition to helping put a floor under the crash. Solid move! The only losers are the people who aren’t all in on the way back up!

I disagree with this. In FREE! market, we should not have fucking FED bailing out incompetent banks/investors/etc. They may or may not turn profit, but that is not the most important issue. Why the fuck bail out incompetent banksters and overspending Fed Gov? They will just double down next time on their stupidity, as we see now.

There was a guy named Crazy Larry at my school. Neckbearded overweight wierdo, 20 but looked 35, called everything a fascist and a vegetarian (though he farted in class, loudly - a monolithic pizza eater).

"The self-checkout is FASCIST!"
"ATMS are FASCIST!"
"Au bon Pain at the student center is FUCKING FASCIST!"

Just a memory triggered by the thread title.

WookieMan says

mell says

I don't give a fuck about what Obama did or didn't do back then but to attack Trump for not doing enough is retarded at best, malicious at worst

Frankly think he's doing too much and that's my beef. We're halting production of everything to protect unproductive people that likely did it to themselves in the first place and take a cocktail of drugs to stay alive.

I'm admittedly bitter because my trip got cancelled. Rebooked a flight to FL and I'm almost 100% sure all flights are getting shut down in the next 24-72 hours. IL just closed restaurants. I know dozens of people that will be broke in 2 weeks here. I have an IL FOID card, but my dumbass hasn't gotten a gun yet. This overreaction is going to kill THOUSANDS more than the actual virus.

I've said it in another post, I'll likely still vote for Trump, but he's not leading right now. My own governor likely just emp...

You're one of the few advocating for the young then. Politicians have a lot of pressure so there's no way you can go lone wolf. Every single death would be pinned on him and he couldn't buy himself a candy bar from the fact that you'd be one of the few supporting this amd voting for him. We have a world full of elderly and they call the shots. Plus if the contaiemt works reasonably fast they could come out swinging of this correction. I think everything remains to be seen, nobody knows. But your point is valid. The boomers don't like it though.

Logical response Mell.

But I just went for our last meal out due to IL banning it. Saw 3-4 sixty plus overweight smokers out front. If we want this to go away and go away quick, those people shouldn’t be allowed in public. The steps are draconian because unhealthy shit heads are going out in public. Boomers are stubborn shit heads. Including my mother in law. Sorry if you’re a boomer.

Need to wake up younger people to get involved. Not going to dox myself, but I’m an elected official. Not in a capacity to influence this stuff, but young people need to get off their asses tomorrow. This is being handled so ass backwards it’s..... shit.

How to tell someone is suffering from TDS.... their first thought about everything is always "Trump ".

Saw 3-4 sixty plus overweight smokers out front. If we want this to go away and go away quick, those people shouldn’t be allowed in public. The steps are draconian because unhealthy shit heads are going out in public. Boomers are stubborn shit heads. Including my mother in law. Sorry if you’re a boomer.

Why would boomers in general take offense? Not all of us are fat, overweight smokers.

HeadSet says

Why would boomers in general take offense? Not all of us are fat, overweight smokers

Agreed. Saw probably another 10-15 that were healthy. That’s why I said sorry to boomers. I know it’s not all of them. It’s just if you eat like shit and smoke you’re not likely to survive this. The higher the death count the more restrictions on all of us including boomer.

Those people should have been at home.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

fat fucking old people

without comas there is a lot of room for misunderstanding there.

WookieMan says

Logical response Mell.

But I just went for our last meal out due to IL banning it. Saw 3-4 sixty plus overweight smokers out front. If we want this to go away and go away quick, those people shouldn’t be allowed in public. The steps are draconian because unhealthy shit heads are going out in public. Boomers are stubborn shit heads. Including my mother in law. Sorry if you’re a boomer.

Need to wake up younger people to get involved. Not going to dox myself, but I’m an elected official. Not in a capacity to influence this stuff, but young people need to get off their asses tomorrow. This is being handled so ass backwards it’s..... shit.

Gen X. The problem is that even if the fat fuck boomers aren't allowed out their kids or younger relatives may give it to them. It's interesting though to see dynamics how the young get fucked to save the old.

Booger says

www.youtube.com/embed/Nc-T7cGVVnA

These people are absolute fucking morons.

The Ralph’s less than a mile away had everything. My weekly groceries cost about $40 more than normal. Whatever. You couldn’t get me anywhere near a Costco at the moment.

CovfefeButDeadly says

These people are absolute fucking morons.

I know...Don't they realize that there won't be any free food samples?

mell says

Gen X. The problem is that even if the fat fuck boomers aren't allowed out their kids or younger relatives may give it to them. It's interesting though to see dynamics how the young get fucked to save the old.

I'm mid 30's. I've already told my mom don't expect to see me or my kids anytime soon. Months. She's mid 60's and a 5 cig a day smoker. I will voluntarily self quarantine from my mother because she's at a much higher risk, albeit she's very healthy. Still not worth it. She's agreed until the dust settles. So no grandkid visits, etc. Sucks.

Older people need to understand the risk. It's easier to control 20% of the population versus 80% which includes fucking dirt ball kids that are probably covered in CV-19. I don't know.... I feel like this isn't all that complicated. Trump has no control over a virus. He's not handling it well though. Outside of China, Europe is a breeding ground for CV. He bans flights and EVERYONE rushes back home. They should have stayed in place.

My sister in law "should" get back Tuesday. We have zero intention of seeing her for 14-21 days coming from Europe. Her family is young and healthy. They should have stayed put in Europe regardless of wanting to come back home. O'hare in Chicago likely just infected 100's yesterday and today that are now walking around infecting others. 60 and older NEED to stay home otherwise fatality numbers increase and the reaction gets substantially worse.

Tim Aurora says

According to your statistics 11.7 K died out of 57 million infected. that is 1 out of every 5000 . COVID-19 is at least 50 times more lethal. And it is very contagious too.

Can't tell yet. These are almost a year numbers, without radical shutdowns of air travel, sporting events, conferences, etc.

Outbreaks are always more lethal in the beginning because the sickest catch it and die first. This is almost invariably seen for any new strain of infectious disease. Then it evens out.

There are 69 deaths in the US, about half of which were in the same nursing home. Almost nobody under 65 died, and I think the one or two people that did had severe chronic illnesses to begin with and qualified for AARP membership themselves.

Closing down nursing homes, hospices, etc. to visitors makes sense. Closing down air traffic to specific countries makes sense. Closing cruise lines makes sense. Closing schools, college leagues, workplaces, etc. does not make sense. Big difference in the concentration of the elderly and infirm and the time period people are cramped into small spaces. Not too many over 65s with chronic illnesses in those places.

I distinctly recall watching Obama claim that there were few cases and they would all disappear. He also said he has made a virgin sacrifice and was waiting for the Gods to perform a miracle to get rid of swine flu. And then he also gave that massive rally where he claimed he was totally not responsible for anything and that Republicans were spreading swine flu in order to kill off Democratic voters. The he eliminated the pandemic team at the CDC, knowing already that COVID would arrive and that Trump would be president at the time and this move would damage Captain Bonespurs, that Great American Stable Genius War Hero who Should Have Been a Doctor Instead of President. And, of course, Obama passed a law forbidding testing for COVID which is why Trump could not even get testing kits.

Hey, America. My advice is to hold big Covid parties and be sure to lick each other's nostrils. Do the world a favor and spread it all over the US.

I am curious, though, as to why Trump supporters (generally hate Obama for political and racial reasons) are using Obama as the yardstick by which to measure Donnie. If, as you tend to claim, Obama is the worst president ever (except for your delusional President Hillary who would have brought about the End of Days by being elected), why are you so thrilled that Trump is doing no worse than him?

Sale of guns and flamethrowers are up!!!!

So now that their North Sea oil costs more to extract than they receive for selling it, they can now continue to live large by selling investments they have accumulated. Of course, they probably paid more for the investments than what they will sell them for. If you have to sell, and there are no buyers, the price rapidly goes to zero. Ahhhhhhhh, those clever Norwegians.

GOOD!. MAGA!

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WookieMan says

I've said it in another post, I'll likely still vote for Trump, but he's not leading right now. My own governor likely just emptied ALL grocery store shelves over the next 24 hours with the restaurant/bar closure. Nobody is leading and being logical about this because our leaders are all in the fucking crosshairs of the fucking virus because they're fucking old. I'm very much going to push for age limits for political leaders. I may even start a group. This is utter bull shit.

I think Trump is painfully aware that the garbage Media, Democrats and Never-Trumpers are itching to make this into a Katrina and sink his presidency as they did with GWBush. We have already seen it by the usual suspects at Patnet.

Since Trump hasn't started any new wars and hasn't had any major terrorist attacks to deal with (or even hurricanes), they are billing this out as his first big test as President and will by hypercritical on every move.

So Trump is in a bind and doing about as good that can be expected at this point.

Expat01 says

I am curious, though, as to why Trump supporters (generally hate Obama for political and racial reasons) are using Obama as the yardstick by which to measure Donnie. If, as you tend to claim, Obama is the worst president ever (except for your delusional President Hillary who would have brought about the End of Days by being elected), why are you so thrilled that Trump is doing no worse than him?

Maybe because Obama was the most recent President with relatively recent history dealing with epidemics - and Obama's VP is going to be Trump's made political opponent this Fall?

Seems like a pretty logical yardstick to me. Especially when Biden and all of his supporters are campaigning on returning us to the "good old days" of malaise, open borders, Chinese outsourcing and high unemployment from 2008-16.

socal2 says

So Trump is in a bind and doing about as good that can be expected at this point.

Anyone in leadership would be in a bind with this. I'd be a positive voter in an approval rating poll for Trump today. My issue is we know who it dying from this. Protect them, isolate and quarantine them, etc. instead of the entire fucking population. Most dying are too old to even work.

The response hasn't made sense from Trump and part of me believes it's because he himself is old along with tons of advisors, congress critters, etc. It's a virus, we're all going to get it at some point over the next year or so until a good vaccine comes about. Lock down the old and vulnerable and keep shit going. Instead we all have to suffer.

Clearly Norway needs to be introduced to American "diversity and inclusivity".

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

STUPID FUCKING CUNT TRUMP made the WORST! POSSIBLE! scenario happen: thousands of diseased people who were overseas are now back in the states - and their first stop is USA! airports where they will all INFECT! each other and even more people before going home to infect the REST OF AMERICA!

Gotta agree with you on this one. Too lazy to find the link on Patnet, but I called this. I knew it was going to be a disaster.

I'm highly aware of the situation with my sister in law living in Austria for 8-9 months of the year. Once they heard of the travel ban they wanted to get out even though she was an American citizen. They've ended up deciding to stay over there as the employer her husband works for rents their apartment year round, so not a big deal.

This was handled poorly though for sure and given it was an airport, the feds had/have a say in operations.

STUPID ILLINOIS CUNT HAD FEELINGS HURT BECAUSE DICK FELL OFF WHEN STAFFER USED LOUD VOICE!!!

Within a few days the numbers of infections thwarted by not letting people fly in from Europe will outnumber the infections caused at the airport. I can understand if you're for keeping airports open, but the amount of people entering the US daily on unrestricted travel from Europe is enormous. I can't say if the concrete situation at the airports was mishandled or not and by how much, but on the long run this reduces new infections. 125K travelers per day not coming in for 30 days is 3750000. Europe is currently the hotbed of infection, math doesn't lie.

#TDS

People. Coronavirus is just one of the many viruses that we collectively recognize as "the flu". This is just, possibly, a new strain of it. Viruses constantly change otherwise they would stop existing as its targets would become entirely immune to them.

Remember MERS and SARS? The full name of MERS is Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus. The full name of SARS is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus.

Honestly, you have the entire world's information in front of you, and you make no use of it. You still listen to a media propaganda system that:

1) Told you that Iraq had a weapons of mass destruction program in early 2000.
2) Told you that "Qaddafi was about to cause a humanitarian crisis", so this was prevented by bombing it, leaving it in civil war, with operating slavery markets.
3) Told you "Assad is gassing his own people!", although twice the OPCW has had whistleblowers explaining in detail how the Douma chemical attack was faked.
4) Told you that the Skripal's were poisoned by a fantasy nerve agent that killed only 3 creatures - the pets of the Skripal's - one cat and two guinea pigs, which were "euthanized". The Skripal's have not been seen since.
5) Told you Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.
6) Told you Ukraine had a "revolution", when it was a US led coup. You realize you can talk to Ukrainians on the internet right? Please do.
7) Told you "Russia hacked out elections" without being able to tell us how, or even why.
8) Spent 3 years screaming "Russian collusion" with Trump.

And people still trust this collection of propaganda outlets. The flu is going to kill us all supposedly, so it's being used as a pretext to take down the economy in a bid to get a senile old pervert who is as corrupt as sin, placed into the Oval Office, where he will be the perfect meat puppet. Our government is entirely corrupt, our media is their propaganda arm, our intelligence agencies lie constantly, our DOJ engages in selective prosecution, and often malicious prosecution to put innocent people like Flynn into prison or letting Clinton walk after she admitted to Title 18 violations of placing classified material on a server that was known to be compromised.

All this pandemic scare, is another big distraction. Also, Tom Hanks' wife, and Trudeau's wife doesn't have Covid-19. At the time i write this, there are 1,629 cases in the United States out of a country with over 350 million people. They would have to have won the unlucky lottery.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

And Patrick, I think this might be "it" for our stockmarket. Ever look at a graph of the DJIA priced in ounces of silver and gold? We're going back to a 1:1 correlation. I knew the boomers would all get screwed when they tried to retire. They kind of deserve it, being the least responsible, most selfish generation, in at least 100 years.

mell says

I can't say if the concrete situation at the airports was mishandled

Well I can, It was completely mishandled. Not a hard call unless one is totally enthralled by membership in the cult and or is in the employ of the the Trump re-election campaign whose apparent motto is never, ever take responsibility for anything that goes awry.

rdm says

Well I can, It was completely mishandled.

I have to agree with you. While Trump is probably influenced by others, he's the decision maker in the end. It should have been a flat out ban or nothing at all. It created false urgency to get back to the states and that's obviously what happened.

I guess maybe could have had more customs officials on duty would be another thing. To not see the writing on the wall that there was going to be a huge influx of people trying to get back was short sighted.

rdm says

mell says

I can't say if the concrete situation at the airports was mishandled

Well I can, It was completely mishandled. Not a hard call unless one is totally enthralled by membership in the cult and or is in the employ of the the Trump re-election campaign whose apparent motto is never, ever take responsibility for anything that goes awry.

You should run for president then and provide another plan. Either you handle it lax or strictly. If you go strict intermittent chaos is bound to happen. Looks like we are having a shelter in place soon here in the bay area, so the state is going farther than federal authorities.

I am amused that everything is some politicians fault, in a "free market" system..

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

The states should have appointed Americans abroad extraordinary ambassadors, given them a day stipend and whatever medical coverage State Dep't people get and told them to stay put until they could be tested and, on their own schedule and in their own time, return back to the states the hour you test negative - or better yet when the all clear comes three or 20 weeks from now.

That's not a bad idea - but do you think Americans with their innate distrust of government would have followed those orders? They would have smelled a shutdown coming and likely rushed back to the US regardless without being tested.

"Yeah, we're totally assfucking the public, but it's for their own good and the greater good! Thank God for enlightened government!"

"Homeless? Oh, them. With their tradition of self discipline and recognizance, we have nothing to worry about, COMPASSION FIRST. Besides they don't go into bars, stores and restaurants anyway except to steal and bring dead racoons."