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marcus says

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Yeah, having the ICU stressed isn't enough to offset that.

CV apparently often requires prolonged ventilator care, that is, sometimes for multiple weeks. I would guess that hospitals have death panels that decide whether or not patients get that care (although they obviously don't call themselves death panels).

It's one of those things that don't get discussed. Does someone with no insurance and no net worth get that kind of care ? Probably depends on a variety of factors, such as the financial backing and status of the Hospital, and how overloaded their ICU is. If they have the capacity (rooms, personal, ventilators) without taking on a lot of additional costs, then why not right ? Do they have to keep those resources available for the insured people that come in later today or tomorrow ? Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Hospitals aren't overloaded. The Feds pick up $36k of cost for ventilator treatments so it is more of an issue of whether too many are put on them.

zzyzzx says

If they are testing positive, but showing no symptoms, why is this a problem?

They spread it... blah... blah....

If you don't want it, then just stay home. I'm going out tonight and having a fire with the neighbors. We'll stay spread out, but one is a nurse and another worked in the medical field that has past contacts. They not at all concerned about hanging out. Like zero. The one nurse is worried about losing her job. This is where we're at.

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100% consistent with what I said.

I am getting suspicious there's a conspiracy of silence about the results of the April 10 property tax collections in these parts.

We could probably save every Federal and Municipal job and balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system. We could probably give them a pay raise too!

socal2 says

balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system

Yes. Through bankruptcy.

Patrick says

We are going to need mass civil disobedience to escape this.

Except it wouldn't be Civil disobedience. That's what the Commies have been wanting Trump supporters to do all along. Now they would settle for Americans regardless if you like Bernie or Trump. Antifa raps on the head were paid for by the same people now, that will demand a put down the rebellion if people resist.
Now is the time, for either Barr quit his "Ima gonna do this and Ima gonna do that!" bullshit and get his ass to work.

Also the game they are playing on giving the swamp enough hooks and lines to set themselves. He also keeps giving them the opportunity to get ahead and work on their 10 ways to Sunday to get back at him, and the American People.

If they aren't up to it, it's going to take more than protesting and rioting to stop the commie take over.

one benefit from the Wuhan Flu is that it has allowed Civil Disobedience to put down around the world where it was a thorn in the NWO side.

It will be a damn shame if our best patriots are in a peaceful rabble when the UN attack helicopters and Chinese Tanks come rolling in.

Tim Aurora says

@Socal, I hate to say this , but how are we doing now

Still Much better than Europe. 20,000 French deaths vs. 50,000 US Deaths, but the USA is more than 5 times the population.

7000 People are dead in Madrid, Spain alone, which is far smaller than NYC.

Tim Aurora says

I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid

So? HOW is he stupid? So far he's not started a new war yet. You know how long it's been since we had a president that didn't start a new war in his first term? Jimmy Carter was the last one.

Tim Aurora says

Yeah that was a Republican ploy and now you punish democrats for that.

The Democrats aren't any different. If Al Gore was elected president in 2000 (well in truth, he was) we would have gone to war with Iraq because "we" (our government) supported mean old Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and we had to correct that awful mistake - we have a duty to the Iraqis to do it! All the dummy republican faithful would have opposed it, all the dummy democratic faithful would have supported it and there would be IDENTICAL results.

Obama lied about why the US attacked Libya - it wasn't to prevent a humanitarian crisis, if it was, the US wouldn't have left it in civil war with operating slavery markets. Obama lied why he attacked Syria, it wasn't because Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people, because the United States simply doesn't care about human rights. He's just another sociopathic puppet - just like George W. Bush was. He bombed 7 nations over 8 years - can you even name them all? He's the reason there's a refugee influx into Europe - he was creating them.

The only difference between the two establishment parties are what lies they tell you to explain away whatever atrocity they are told to commit. That's what you are voting for, what BS you get fed.

jazz_music says

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.

I'm going to demonstrate something which will probably be lost on you:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=President+Donald+Trump+has+left+the+impression+with+foreign+officials%2C+members+of+his+administration%2C+and+others+involved+in+Iranian+negotiations+that+he+is+actively+considering+a+French+plan+to+extend+a+%2415+billion+credit+line+to+the+Iranians+if+Tehran+comes+back+into+compliance+with+the+Obama-era+nuclear+deal.&t=canonical&ia=web

Notice how many websites and "news" sites have that exact same story, repeated all over the place. Look at who is the "journalist" that wrote that article.

Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/

You're just printing propaganda. Do you know how often the same 6 words in the English language are repeated when you're not quoting somebody? It's one in millions. It's easy to find out if you're reading propaganda by just taking out 10 words from a sentence, and plugging it into a search engine. Repeatedly, you will find the same "story" told by multiple people on multiple sites, attributed to multiple authors.

jazz_music says

I copied some extremely well written references

You enjoy them here commercial free.

Yes of course I did not make it up on the spot, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPAGANDA.

I pointed out that "news" sources copy the same story repeatedly, give them different bylines and different authors, and falsely claim they are the authors. That's what makes it propaganda. I even gave you links so you could verify what I was saying was correct. I felt it was a waste of time and I said so when I wrote it.

The reason the same story is repeated, nearly verbatim, by multiple "authors" is because you're reading propaganda, from an unknown source.

Remember when the Mueller Report was being claimed by a lot of "reporters" to have damning evidence that Trump has colluded with Russia and they even told you multiple ways he supposedly had? Didn't you notice that they never ever cited the page number on the report to support their claim? It was because they were simply lying. They never cite original sources. When I was more naive I would believe some BS news story and then go to the source to confirm it expecting to find it. That was decades ago.

We do not have a news media in the United States at all today. Nobody that has any interest in what is going on listens to "news" anymore. We all know it's fake news, we know it's propaganda. It's been propaganda since the 2nd Iraq invasion, and it was mostly propaganda during the first. Remember this?

www.youtube.com/embed/LmfVs3WaE9Y

That's the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador at the time. Her testimony was critical in solidifying American citizen's support for war against Iraq. She was lying. What she describes in that video never happened. She was coached by Hill and Knowlton - a PR firm, a propaganda firm. Everything she says in that video is a lie.

Nothing you see or read in "establishment" news can be trusted at this point. Nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UOQSrRPfE

It doesn't matter. Some people prefer the dream.

jazz_music says

Some people prefer the dream.

All this means that you still don’t think Trump is a stupid fucking bastard

No, it means I understand the battle isn't between the left and the right, it's between the government and the rest of us. I don't care if Trump is stupid or not, I only care about results. He's the first president since Jimmy Carter that hasn't begun a new war this far into his first term. That's an improvement, and it's been a damned long time since I've seen an improvement.

jazz_music says

Because it could be lies like the war against Iraq

This makes absolutely no sense given the context of what you wrote. That's a non sequitur.

I was trying to point out that the media is full of crap and that you are naive to continue to place any amount of trust in it.

jazz_music says

You're just printing propaganda

That’s original.

I gave you 3 articles that printed the same story, attributed to different authors on each site, here they are again:

richwicks says

Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/

They all "wrote" the same article. Isn't that odd? Identify the original author.

The United States very literally doesn't have a news media. Trump made an offer of 15 billion dollars to Iran? How do you know? How do these "journalists" know? How do you know what a "journalist" is writing is truthful?

You don't. You've seen them lie:

www.youtube.com/embed/Wn5pIkEHPf0&t=2s

Can you not see the blatantly obvious green screen? The reporter claims to be "on location". You're wasting your time pointing to "news" articles that you can't verify or even identify the original author of - more importantly you waste your time believing them. I just simply don't understand who can continue to pay attention to the mainstream "news" and not realize it's BS. How can you not see the obvious at this point? 1/2 the country can.

Actually UV therapy and irradiation (e. g. of blood) is having a revival in many recent medical publications. Not far fetched. As for disinfectant that is harder to pull off and likely not feasible although people have a been experimenting with topical and even ingested hydrogen peroxide to combat infections with some success. So he's not an MD and a quick shooter without filter which makes him sound a bit dense at times, so what? Not everybody likes to read 100% from the teleprompter like Obummer did.

I think most of us would let Donald Trump inject us with Lysol while Kelly Anne Conway holds us down and tells us it's for our own good. Before we would let Bill Gates inject us with tracking chip, or a Vaccine from a batsoup kitchen from WuHan.

Is brainstorming and thinking outside the box now called TOUTING?

Actually not a bad idea since many of these conditions are either hereditary or environmental or both, there are even infectious components. Tracing makes sense long before 25% got infected. Now it's not that useful anymore.

Photodynamic therapy is used to treat cancer already. Mammalian cells do make disinfectants, like hydrogen peroxide.

We should chip smokers, as second hand smoke kills. With the right phone app, one could map out a path that would avoid smokers and second hand smoke. Likewise people with a history of violence should be chipped as well. Also folks with smelly farts and loud chewers, too.

ThreeBays says

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Look in the mirror.

Duh, everybody knows Lysol is for snorting.

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Lysol put out a warning today about not eating Lysol.

They know who they are dealing with.

He’s right, and if you’re still afraid of contracting and having a severe acute outcome from SARS-CoV-2, stay the fuck in isolation for yourself until you are sufficiently convinced that you can come out. There’s risk in everything for normal day to day living even without the virus, time to take some personal responsibility for all our well being.

One can only hope that those people who blindly follow every stupid fucking idea that comes out of his pie-hole will expedite their imminent death with one of his "cures."

that was a stupid comment by Rudy

This constant need to misquote and lie about Trump is why everyone hates the MSM and why Trumps approval rating has been steadily climbing. Keep up the fake news, losers. Its genuinely bizarre behavior. TDS is real

Hmm I thought ccp funded cnn. They are always defending china. Also I noticed how 5000 factories moved to chine in clinton administration.

komputodo says

Is brainstorming and thinking outside the box now called TOUTING?

Brain farting and speaking without thinking more accurate.

Have we fallen so low that the absurd babblings of this moronic man-child are still being defended? Really, is owning the libs worth the self-degradation?

Fake News, typical left wing media where they misrepresent, because fucking stupid.

jazz_music says

Recall that Trump said that Frederick Douglass, who died in 1895, was “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.” He also claimed that Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the Civil War, “was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War.”

No, provide proof that Trump said these things.

jazz_music says

They estimate Trump is over 15,000 public lies now.

Name the worst lie of Trump, or the top 5. Here's the worst lie of George W. Bush:

www.youtube.com/embed/T5YgJx8VGRA

And here's what I think was the worst lie of Barack Obama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-tvZvUE79Y

Nothing funnier than seeing Anderson Cooper get huffy when someone told him that Trump isn't really worried about offended journalists.

jazz_music says

the “Russia thing"

Do you seriously still believe in the Russian collusion BS? Seriously?

marcus says

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Lysol put out a warning today about not eating Lysol.

They know who they are dealing with.

Actually, there is a valid history with that warning. In the past, there was an outbreak of people spraying Lysol on bread slices and consuming it for a high. No joke.

jazz_music says

How could Trump fire Comey

The head of the FBI serves the president and the people. I would have fired that rat bastard Comey long before Trump did.

As long as you continue to underestimate our president he will keep winning and the TDS will cause severe mental and physical health problems.

jazz_music says

Republican presidents are dangerous to national and world security, but none more than Trump.

Trump is a republican in name only. The worst wars are started under democrats. Do a little research on history and you will see what I mean. "Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it".

jazz_music says

Chauncey DeVega
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a term that describes a psychological phenomenon in which stupid people do not know that they are in fact stupid.

Maybe take an IQ test?

Onvacation says

Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it

But isn't history written by the winners?

It's not history anyhow, it's propaganda. We aren't taught history.

jazz_music says

In my old age I observe that it’s the truly stupid people that think they know so much, or like they are the only one who has a brain.

How do you know that's not you?