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Shaman says

Science says herd immunity is the only way to stop a virus. Why do you reject science?

This is our answer to the virus, herd immunity. The weak and the cowards can continue to SIP at their own will. Open America Now. THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Better hygiene, distancing, frequent hand washing and bit touching your face I'm all on board with. I'm opposing the lockdowns and masks mandated outside, both not necessary and unconstitutional.

pretty much agree and that seems to be where we are heading. And Into having widespread, simmering disease, at least over the summer. The snags are going to be "gatherings" of people sports, church, certain professions etc

E-man says

THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.

Barf

rdm says

E-man says

THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE. Cowards are free to move elsewhere.

Barf

Yeah, take your toxic masculinity, put a mask on it, and stay inside. There are some snowflakes that get upset when you point out American exceptionalism.

joshuatrio says

I already addressed what you claim is an giant second wave. A rise of 100 per day for a week, then a sharp drop is not a second wave.

Like you just said, it's likely due to a lag in reporting and even likely due to the jump in testing GA does now

Also remember when you're one of the few open states people will tend to go there. Georgia has some beautiful lakes you can rent homes on and spend an awesome week there. We almost went ourselves, but TN was just closer.

My wife just went to Indiana Thursday with some friends overnight because they were more open than IL. The earlier states that opened back up should do much better financially.

Also, I don't get the focus on cases. More testing will result in more cases statistically. The fact GA is down from the peak, means it's probably done there. Deaths are really the only thing that matter at this point. If we can treat it better, more like the common flu, than deaths are really the only thing that matter. They are plummeting.....

Yesterday I was reading some study that said the data used to open the state of Georgia was flawed and they should have never reopen.
The article never did reconcile the fact that there hasn't been a resurgence.

Liberals are disingenuous cock suckers through and through straight down to the bone.

WookieMan says

Deaths are really the only thing that matter at this point.

Deaths are the ONLY thing that ever mattered. We all have survived the flu and colds like corona before. This was to be a KILLER. MILLIONS were going to DIE! If we did not shelter in place for two weeks and flatten the curve hospitals would be OVERWHELMED! Millions would still die but they would be spread out over time.

Two and a half months later, we are still on house restriction, not even a hundred thousand have died, and instead of opening the economy, they have changed the goal to eliminating the "invisible enemy".

They are planning on a "new normal" where everyone wears a mask and stays six feet from everyone else. Restaurants, bars, sporting events, schools, all have to be reconfigured to avoid human contact.

FUCK THAT!

Wear your mask, hide in your home, if you are so afraid of dying, crawl into your hole and let the rest of us be free to live.

Tenpoundbass says

Liberals are disingenuous cock suckers through and through straight down to the bone.

There's almost zero deaths at that last data point. They could be off by a magnitude of 5 and the deaths have still plummeted from the peak AND they're open. So sick of seeing government and people reporting cases when they're fucking testing more. It's disingenuous. Dead people are the only thing that matter in the conversation and they're literally almost seeing zero deaths a day at this point. But hey... positive cases....

We're going to get to the point that there are just too many people that have COVID-19. It won't even be about the loss of life. Just too many people have it. It's coming....

ThreeBays says

We can't confirm a "sharp drop" due to the reporting lag. The rise was concealed for quite a while.

Stop focusing on new cases as there's more testing! This isn't complicated. I just posted a graph from the same source for deaths. That IS the scary part of this virus and it's clearly going away. Even if the numbers are way off, it most certainly is dropping and by a lot. #CasesDon'tMatter #GAOpen

I might have had COVID-19. I'll never know because I was never tested.

It's pretty steady down here. Plenty of traffic again.

What's funny is that rush hour doesn't really start in the morning as people are going in a lot later. Coming home I was in 2 jams the other day.

Over the years unless it's magically going away probably up to 50% of the population will at some point come in contact with it. Move on and live your life. Get over it.

ThreeBays says

Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.

Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.

rdm says

Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home,

They’re going to die of something, might as well be the Rona

rdm says

Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.

The people ponying up the graphs, facts, science in this thread and others are the Shutdown Skeptics.

Shutdown Advocates are simply making arguments from authorities, authorities whose models and theories are already proven beyond wrong by the actual observations from the real world.

I'm sorry this isn't the Crisis of Capitalism and Trump Busting atrocity for you.

rdm says

Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.

There's pills for that:



Or when you need MAGA strength:

ThreeBays says

Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.

Not true at all. Anyone needing or receiving critical care, close to death, has likely been tested days if not weeks ago. Basically there's a high probability that we know when someone passes if they have COVID-19 or not. Those numbers cannot lag as much as fresh cases.

And if people are dying before results get back, then they were basically dead anyway. COVID-19 likely wasn't the cause. This is all pretty basic stuff.

ThreeBays says

The shutdown skeptics put up graphs of the case trend, and then when the same graphs surged up suddenly those graphs are no longer valid. I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

Uh, The moving average for Georgia has been trending downwards sharply for 3 weeks now, according to this graph in this post just above:
https://patrick.net/post/1332334/?c=1672383

And here's another source, showing the same.




The plateau was over a month ago.

Another thing we learned: The US Health Care System dealt with COVID better than Western Europe:

And finally, lockdowns didn't work to prevent the spread:


The US, Sweden, and UK were all effected about the same time (Western Europe was a week or so earlier)

Sweden, which didn't lockdown, only mild social distancing enforced and large public events cancelled, experienced the same trend as the US and UK, which did

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

ThreeBays says

mell says

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here. And guess what, the population density per square mile is roughly twice as much for Sweden than for Norway and Finland - who da thunk! The death rate largely depends on age, comorbidites and quality of care. It varies a lot in between those 4 countries relative to infections. I'm sure if you account for missed critical diagnosis for heart disease and cancer, lost economic livelihoods, increases in depression, drug use and suicide, then keeping the economy and hospitals open comes out ahead.

Recovered cases are closing in on 50% of active cases. This is over very soon.

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says

. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

rdm says

"Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

How long are people going to act like this cold is Ebola wrapped in AIDS? It's a serious cold that won't kill most people EVEN IF they catch it. For many that do catch it it's not that serious.

rdm says

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says

. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

Healthcare Frontline workers have a lower infection rate than the rest of the population. Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering. Case closed.

mell says

ThreeBays says

mell says

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.

Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).

Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those...

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

rdm says

ThreeBays says

I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?

With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

Give us information that says deaths are going up and GA is in the midst of some massive 2nd wave and you can shut us up pretty quickly. There is none. So you guys just say we're all wrong with no data and say something about lag in testing when likely 80-90% of those that pass or receive critical care have already been tested.

New cases are vastly different than deaths. No need to have a Ph.D. or be a scientist. It's a word on a fucking death certificate.

mell says

Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering

So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?

rdm says

mell says

Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering

So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA

Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested one cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Booger says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.

The hyper expensive market has only been active for about 5 years. Pre 2001 or so, and again from 2010-2012 both rents and sales prices were remarkably low.

Los Angeles has far more nursing homes — 388 — than any other county in the state. San Diego, the state's second most populous county with about a third of LA's population, has about one-fifth as many nursing homes.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/density-poverty-keep-los-angeles-struggling-against-virus/2367491/

rdm says

mell says

No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.

Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested on cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?

Less money to pay out for social security, what's the problem? That was my point there should be no interference, if you go to the event without a mask you're willingly taking a small risk like people do every day with their decisions. Nothing to see here.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.

It kind of makes sense that cases could go from nursing homes to crowded blue collar houses and back again, because nursing home care is typically a pretty low paid occupation.

Futures up and another record low infection / death day. This thing is over don't cling to it.