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Tim Aurora says

Trumpsters

Tim, please try to not be divisive, but instead to think about our common interests.

It's fine that you don't like Trump. Just saying that:

1. It's not the most important thing in the world to hate him.
2. You help solidify support for Trump by using words like "Trumpsters". You're not even helping your own cause.
3. It's harmful to all of us to be divided and weak in the face of real exploitation by global capital and China.

WookieMan says

Statistically, on the pure race threshold, which race kills the other at a higher rate? Not talking inter race, black on black or white on white. Which race kills the other at a higher frequency?

It's not just frequency. The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

The press deliberately ignores this fact. Why?

Patrick says

The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Sure:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites.

I posted a list of how I have personally been affected by black crime. I'll try to find that.

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Typical sea lioning.
I hate Trump supporters who are all racist and horrible! Agree with me or i quit the forum!

rdm says

Patrick says

The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

This data has been posted zillion times on here, even directly pulled from the government's criminal databases. Yet every time you ask "got a source?" What we have never seen though is a single data point or study even remotely hinting at white on black racism. Since you and the looneyeft are claiming "systemic racism" and implemented harmful consequences yet even calling for more unconstitutional intervention, you have to provide the source and links since you are protesting and demanding changes. Maybe I have singled you out wrongly and you're not claiming that there is a systemic problem of White on black racism. But if you are, WHERE is your statistically significant data? I'm not even claiming that there is a big enough problem of black on white racism as there are other explanations for the variance in crime rates, but to arrive at the opposite is unscientific at least, delusional at worst. The cop was a major asshole and they are now all charged for 2nd degree murder (which is almost too high to prove and a risk for the trial given a clever defense) or lesser. They will all face the consequences they deserve. But there's zero reason to think the asshole cop would not have given the same treatment to a strong meaty redneck resisting arrest. Latinos and Whites die due to police brutality at the same rate.

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Here we go again. In a few weeks, it'll be the same question as if it was not already answered with indisputable numbers that repeat the same trend year after year after year.

@Patrick, any chance of having some stickied or otherwise perma reference to a few things, like Crime Rate by Race?

That way we can just be like, "Click the link on the main page"

thomasdong1776 says

What you fail to understand (deliberately, no doubt) is that law enforcement wasn't dispersing the protest, which continued on for several more hours. They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Smoke ain't tear gas. And they moved in because liquid balloons were being thrown at the cops.

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

Two more things:

When was the last time a "Trumpist" has posted about birther or pizzagate stuff on patnet? You will have to go deep into the archives, birther stuff may be years old. Compare that to Jazz's mother jones / salon / buzzkill threads about some absurd Trump fascism/racism connection day by day.

The other:

Consider yourself getting into a situation where you end up killing a black person unintentionally, maybe you wanted to protect your family in a riot / car blockade, during a possible home intrusion or a similar situation. Maybe you were too trigger / gas pedal happy and have to take some of the blame. Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

I voted for him. Obama. Hands down. No question to be asked.

mell says

Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

Imagine half a dozen people die because nutjobs and posers have to freak out, and the Media encourages them to do so, because of what happened.

NoCoupForYou says

mell says

Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

Imagine half a dozen people die because nutjobs and posers have to freak out, and the Media encourages them to do so, because of what happened.

Right - also I remember Kate Steinle didn't pay with a fake $20 bill and didn't resist any arrest, yet she was shot point blank at the SF pier by an illegal criminal and died in her father's arms with most of her life in front of her. The illegal walked free and nobody protested insane sanctuary policies cause clearly not all lives matter.

Clearly these millennial New York Times journalists are a bunch of pampered babies. How does running an op-ed “put in danger” the lives of any New York Times staffers. Seriously, explain the logic there. They can’t, because it makes absolutely no sense. What an embarrassment

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) June 4, 2020

thomasdong1776 says

They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Yes, it was a photo op at a church. A large percentage of Americans are religious (I'm not) and this helps comfort them. Protestors around the POTUS during this time ain't a good thing whether you like him or not. If you think things are fucked up now, wait until there's some assassination attempt. Risk was too high and a few people had to cry on the way home. Cost of doing business so to speak.

thomasdong1776 says

Source?

You have none because you're nothing but a troll.

Thank you for your civil response and educating me with your superior morality and ethics.

US Park Police.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Park Police is denying it used tear gas to disperse a crowd of protesters outside the White House on Monday night, saying officers instead used smoke canisters and pepper balls to aggressively push back the demonstrators.

Protesters scrambled as smoke filled the streets and AP journalists witnessed people reacting to their eyes and throats becoming irritated. Journalists covering the protest reported the crowd was largely peaceful at the time; the Park Police said they were responding to protesters throwing items, including bricks and frozen water bottles at law enforcement.

https://wjla.com/news/local/us-park-police-tear-gas-protest-smoke-canisters-pepper-balls

Of course, if they were throwing bricks and frozen water bottles, then I'm for tear gas, rubber bullets, and if that don't work, live ammo.

marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

Well, in one picture, I see only black people.

NoCoupForYou says

Tim Aurora says

Liberals lean on NYT and Wapo, not perfect but these papers allow opinions from all sides.

hahaha, Jennifer Rubin is WaPo's conservative columnist. George Will at others. hahahahhahaha

If you entertain any notion that looters are righteous, that Whiteness and White Supremacy are actual problems, not insane left-wing social theories, and are dangerous, you are neither a Trumper, a Moderate, or a Liberal. You are a Far Leftist.

What facts are in an article from the Washington Post? There are few because they editorialize their news content. But you wouldn’t know that from Tim’s postings...nor Jazz’s...nor Thomas Dungs....

Because they link articles without commenting!

You can’t cite an opinion piece( which every single WaPo article is and most NYT articles are) as fact of anything.

The divide isn’t ideological, it’s fact vs opinion. For instance the article Thomas Dung linked earlier today stating that officers fired tear gas into a peaceful crowd. It’s an utterly absurd statement on face value and any rational person would realize were not in communist China or Syria or some other third world shithole where cops indiscriminately attack masses of innocent people. Yet there is was in all glory as a WaPo headline. And Thomas Dung linked and cited it thinking he is some anti Trump genius.

thomasdong1776 says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

What does happen is protests are ordered to disperse once an assembly is considered unlawful. If they fail to do so, it is no longer a peaceful protest but rather an unlawful one.

What you fail to understand (deliberately, no doubt) is that law enforcement wasn't dispersing the protest, which continued on for several more hours. They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Again that is absurd. No order to disperse? No megaphone “hey we gotta move this thing?” No nothing?

Really. With like every single protestor able to take video? With tons of media? Show me the video of the entire protest and tear gas. Let’s see it.

i would say obama......he sorted out the jigs from the rest....trump didn't pick anyone.....so as i understand the word "divisive", i'd say obama...

Tim Aurora says

a good majority of whites and other races are supporting the protests

I couldn't care less about floyd or the cop. And I don't have any of them in my thoughts and prayers...I don't live in a big shithole city...do whatever the fuck you want....lolol

Tim Aurora says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Seems like they are suddenly very quiet...basically hiding..hard to support anything when you are hiding.

My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) April 29, 2020

Man, this tweet did not age well.

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marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

The problem I had with Obama was he was clever on style but I did not trust him on substance.

Whereas Trump is terrible on style such as his Tweets, but has substance like on securing the southern border, on trade, on energy, on national defense and the economy.

My fear is the Left uses clever style and rhetoric, as well as false labels like Antifa, as the ruthless means to their desired end state.

At least with Trump, he is what he presents himself to be. Whereas, Biden and Obama are deceitful. Except Biden, is not as clever or smooth as Obama.

But Biden is just as arrogant and will shamelessly present himself as what he truly not is.

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Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo

komputodo says

I couldn't care less about floyd or the cop. And I don't have any of them in my thoughts and prayers...I don't live in a big shithole city...do whatever the fuck you want....lolol

Fact Check: TRUE. This is Act Blue:

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CBOEtrader says

The whites who are there look like Antifa, while the blacks dont look like Antifa. That part seems true.

Yes, you'll see the AntiFa females usually with died purple, dark red, or pink hair. The males usually have man-buns.

Unlike Baltimore, which is not vanilla town like a Minneapolis or a Portland, Oregon.

At the Baltimore riots, the AntiFa whites would cover themselves to not show any skin color. I think that was to not expose that a lot of the violence was being done by militant white liberals or neoMarxists.

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komputodo says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Seems like they are suddenly very quiet...basically hiding..hard to support anything when you are hiding.

They don't want to alienate their base (ie.., AntiFa types). So they can't come out strong against the looting and destruction. So what do they do ?

Classic Democrat move is ask their mainstream media allies to shamelessly claim it is right wing white supremacists causing the riots in Minneapolis, as well as deflecting and blaming Trump and the Republicans.

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Patrick says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

Thanks for the info. Though, I might mention I was very uncivilly and personally reamed for just asking for it. i don't typically participate in these threads on race so I asked for info, I had never seen before, such a sin.

So over twice as many whites are killed by Blacks as the reverse. But still its a pretty small number as to the overall popultion or the 100K and counting who died of this bad cold that is going around. I suspected it was relatively small that is why I asked about any personal connection to a killing, I dont have any or know of any victims, of this or the covid-19. And I keep getting told to just go out and live my life, the pandemic is all over but yet the same people are fixated on a much lower risk of being murdered by a black. People are funny I guess.

rdm says

Patrick says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

Thanks for the info. Though, I might mention I was very uncivilly and personally reamed for just asking for it. i don't typically participate in these threads on race so I asked for info, I had never seen before, such a sin.

So over twice as many whites are killed by Blacks as the reverse. But still its a pretty small number as to the overall popultion or the 100K and counting who died of this bad cold that is going around. I suspected it was relatively small that is why I asked about any personal connection to a killing, I dont have any or know of any victims, of this or the covid-19. And I keep getting told to just go out and live my life, the pandemic is all over but yet the same people are fixated on a much lower risk of being murdered by a black. People are funny I guess.

I'm not worried about or fixated on it. Neither should black people or the millions of protestors and rioters be fixated on Floyd. There's nothing to see here except for police malpractice leading to a tragic death which should and will be brought to justice. There's only a few culprits and maybe a poorly run PD. The rest of the nation is completely innocent and should not have to bear looters and rioters and false SJW prophets descending onto them.

Tim Aurora says

Trumpsters and Liberals

You didn't want to say "Trumpsters and Hillarers"? People aren't all just liberals and conservatives man, or Trumpsters as you call. People are conservative on some issues, liberal on others. You are putting people into little predefined by media buckets, and that's where you are going wrong my man. Those buckets only exist so you can attribute all the bad shit to the opposite bucket, divide and conquer.

The rest is just left wing propaganda, I've seen it too. It's pretty aweful, and not logical even.

Shaman says

personal

@Shaman I had to mark that as personal because it is, but I'm grateful to have learned the term "sea lioning":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

The troll feigns ignorance and politeness, so that if the target is provoked into making an angry response, the troll can then act as the aggrieved party.[6][7] Sealioning can be performed by a single troll or by multiple ones acting in concert.[8] The technique of sealioning has been compared to the Gish gallop and metaphorically described as a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[9]

An essay in the collection Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online, published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, noted:

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences.

mell says

I'm not worried about or fixated on it. Neither should black people or the millions of protestors and rioters be fixated on Floyd.

Bingo. And that was also the point of my above comment. If you want to make things about race and be fixated on something, why shouldn't it be black on white crime? Murder is just one proponent of crimes. Given the demographic breakdown of race in this country, blacks are exponentially more likely to cause harm against white people. Yet we're burning the place down for a small fraction of 1% of crimes against black people.

Do I hate them? No. But people need to stop pretending that statistics on this stuff doesn't exist. I don't know the reason and don't have the answer. I have a purely analytical approach, blacks on paper are more racist based on crime statistics against another race. Change my mind.

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Why do you insist of calling people by the color of their skin? Sounds racist to me.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

anti Trump genius.

There’s an oxymoron.

rdm says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Cool. Kill another unarmed white like they do as well. Probably never happens to Mexicans, so they're likely safe. Never has an Indian (native or foreign) been unarmed and killed either. What is so special about black people? Look into it and you'll find an answer.

The people that created the monstrosity called public sector unions, are now pissed off that they allow criminals and ass hoe's to police their streets with impunity. This is what you voted for. So now towns across the country that think you're doing it wrong have to suffer through idiots breaking and burning shit. How cute. These people are spoiled horse taint.

Tim Aurora says

You still do not get it. Have you ever talked to the blacks in the hood and how police harrases them. I have talked and I have stories to tell. It is not just one person killed. It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

PeopleUnited says

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

If that’s the case, wouldn’t your best route be to to remove legal probable cause?

Also perhaps educate people in those areas that the don’t have to talk to police, known as a consensual encounter?

I haven’t seen you, nor any BLM, mention these things at all. Democrats hold power in California, Minnesota, and elsewhere and could change the laws in those states. Frankly they are civil liberties matters and I’d support some ideas in this regard.

But I haven’t heard anyone say boo about any of this.