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The government helped create the situation with a financial reward for fatherless black households.

I’m acquainted with a lot of them in Florida. I went to school with some in the NYC metro area.

1. Kid grows up with no father. Mother gets HUD, food stamps, earned income credit ($3400/kid).
2. Male kid has discipline and academic problems.
3. Pissed off at lack of success, he rejects the “White man’s system” and does reckless behavior.

Crime is the entry level job with no requirements except a willingness to take risks.
So, the lower academic achievement, the more attractive crime is.
No male I know would wish to be a drone in fast food and be ordered around if he could be his own boss.

Of course we all know aggressive black males are responsible for a lot of violent crime.

Once I got jury duty, the perp was Mexican.
His lawyer asked me if I were walking down the street and some “black or hispanic people” came towards me, would I cross the street. He was establishing my “racism.”

The prosecutor objected to the question.
I now know how I will answer the next time just to fuck with the lawyer.
“I need more facts to answer you. Are they female? Are they under 13? Are they in a wheelchair?” Etc.

jazz_music says

No, I’m not saying that.

I hate to spoil such gladness.

No, what you’re saying is that black violence is countered with employment and responsibility and community involvement. I full agree. Since I am a deplorable Trump supporter for the very reason that he advocates and has worked hard for these exact things, that means you agree with the core tenets of a Trump supporter.
Congratulations! You’re now a Trump supporter!
I knew you’d eventually come around! 😝

jazz_music says

I would be interested to find a graph of crime by poor on people who are meeting their basic needs? --and then break that one down by the races.

The racial factor just might disappear.

It won't. I came to this sad realization about 15 years ago, looking at violent crime rates in West Virginia, Kentucky, Montana, Wyoming, etc -- among the poorest states in the country, and demographically (at least at that time) white. Or look at violent crime rates in Eastern Europe. The poverty of Moldova mirrors any Bangladesh or Ghana, but the violent crime rate is low.

There's nothing about poverty that compels violence against others. Murder, rape, and aggravated assault are all crimes of aggression and opportunism, not need. Burglary, petty theft, forgery, etc will run higher in poor communities (of all colors), but violence is not a given.

Sorry Jazz, but the facts don’t support the Left wing narrative at all. In fact, it’s the opposite and you don’t hear the Right constantly whining about it.

Here are some numbers for Jazz, to help with the "abject bankruptcy":

Homicide rates per 100,000 population: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html

Moldova: 3.2
Ghana: 2.1
Bangladesh: 2.2

Baltimore, MD (2018): 51
Chicago, IL (2018): 21
Newark, NJ (2018): 27
St. Louis, MO (2018): 61
New Orleans, LA (2018): 37

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Baltimore-Maryland.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Newark-New-Jersey.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-St.-Louis-Missouri.html
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-New-Orleans-Louisiana.html

Shall I go on? You really want to support warzone levels of homicide with the excuse of "poverty"? You're not helping anyone, least of all the regular citizens of these metro hellholes. Unchecked gang violence, weak school discipline, neutered policing, high unemployment, and endemic excuse making ("it's not my fault; it's racism!") continue the cycle.

jazz_music says

porkchopexpress says

Sorry Jazz, but the facts don’t support the Left wing narrative at all. In fact, it’s the opposite and you don’t hear the Right constantly whining about it.

Notice other than declaring ring wing superiority there is nothing being said other than a stinking apology.

That fact alone betrays the abject bankruptcy of the claim.

You and your Left wing friends really need to read the book Extreme Ownership. There’s a fundamental chasm in human philosophy between the Left and the Right, and it all comes down to individual accountability. Until that chasm is eliminated, there will never be enough common ground to have a united society.

jazz_music says

if white on white was in there it would likely dwarf the other graphs.

Nope. Whites are 2/3 of population and less than half of all violent crime.

White Murder rate is about the same as Europe's, except we have 100M's of private firearms.

Extract a certain ethnicity from the crime stats, and despite being awash in guns, our murder rate would be fractionally higher than Europe.

Tim Aurora says
I think people have stopped looking at the mirror.

When people get older...... that is a fact

TrumpingTits says

Meanwhile, BlackLivesMatter thugs in Belgium.

WTF does Belgium have to do with any of what his happening in the US is beyond me.

Showing them what a good decision diversity and tolerance were?

TrumpingTits says

Meanwhile, BlackLivesMatter thugs in Belgium.

WTF does Belgium have to do with any of what his happening in the US is beyond me.

Free shit is free shit, Belgium or no Belgium.

@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.

BayArea says

@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.

It’s fbi numbers which I’m sure can be sourced. I’m lazy and did only a google search

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

As to victims....

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

jazz_music says

says

if white on white was in there it would likely dwarf the other graphs.

Nope: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-1

Read the facts. Facts matter and the narrative of the racist left media is gaslighting people like Tim. Wake up and smell the burning Tim, people of color commit the vast majority of crimes of violence in this country and blacks who only make up 13% of the population, are responsible for nearly half of these crimes!

Let’s look at just crimes committed by youth in 2016. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

We see blacks who make up 13% of the population, constituted 413 of 619 Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter arrests and 10,520 of 15,293 robberies. So at a time when most teenagers are spending time studying, playing sports and trying to get into college, black teens are disproportionately committing murder and violent crime. In fact black teens are responsible for more than 2/3 of these crimes!

It is as if crime is a part of inner city black culture that is taught to them even as children.

BayArea says

@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.

The graphs of the FBI numbers are easily available. And graphs are clearer than a spreadsheet.

50% of the Black population is male 50% female. The females do not commit a huge amount of violent crime.

Therefore, you get about 50% of the violent crime in America committed by about 6 1/2% of the population (that being Black males).

If you factor in age, it becomes even more lopsided. A very small percentage of the population commits an abundance of the violent crime.

WookieMan says

Take a break guys. You CA guys need to get the fuck out of dodge. Go to Idaho or something? I like Bear Lake. Sandpoint was nice too.

FK that

A bit incoherent, but I'll try to reply:

jazz_music says

A brutal austerity has befallen America since Reagan's time with the lie of trickle down economics, the busting of unions, the revolutionary Powell memorandum all because of propagandizing libertarian themes, free market magic and removing all the common-sense policies that every other civilized country in the world practices.

Crime rates took off in the 1970's before Reaganomics. The cause was lax policing and hands-off policies. It wasn't until Bill Bratton's "broken windows" approach of the mid-90's that crime got under control. But, the left hasn't learned a thing and is in the process of recreating the 1970's. Ah, nostalgia!

jazz_music says

The whole right wing revolution exists to make wages cheaper. It's now America can't do anything but assure the wealthy empires and wage terror and war on the world.

The right wing contains many disaffected leftists who recognize that both parties supported GATT, NAFTA, China's "most favored nation" status in WTO, and now TPP (Obama's baby). Reaganomics was just the beginning -- Bush I and II, Clinton, and Obama continued the same policies. Trump through opposing unilateral trade deals, off-shoring manufacturing, and tariff-free insourcing of product, has defied his globalist betters. And they hate him for it. And they've convinced you to hate him too.

jazz_music says

Life expectancy is now tied to wealth.

Life expectancy over the last 20 years has gone up for every group -- black, hispanic, and asian -- EXCEPT whites. And no one bothered to notice the suicide and opioid-induced increase in white mortality until 2014. (The authors originally had a hard time getting it reviewed, let alone published -- not that the data was bad, but that it countered the narrative of oppressed POC and privileged PO-"whiteness.")

jazz_music says

Murders per se are defined by how you count them for a desired narrative.

Murders are in fact the gold standard in crime reporting. A dead person is hard to overlook, and even if hidden, family or friends will notify police. There is no grey area there, as you allege, particularly not in our inner cities where levels are routinely over 20 dead per 100K per annum. Warzone levels of criminality.

jazz_music says

Your desire is evidently to establish one or more races as genetically inferior or murderous. So what about all those BROWN PEOPLE in Moldova, Ghana, Bangladesh, they fit your sick narrative.

Bizarre and ignorant. I included all three nations to represent black (Ghana), brown (Bangladesh), and white (Moldova), to show that outsized criminality is not a necessary condition of being poor, or indeed of being black. And Moldova is a slavic country, FYI.

There's something sick in encouraging structureless, fatherless "communities of color" through perverse benefits incentives, weak school discipline, and increasingly weak policing. It becomes Lord of the Flies when the 15-35 year old demographic controls the streets, unemployed, with criminal enterprises to fund their gangs (drugs, prostitution, gun-running).

The left, in retaining purity of heart, looks the other way on random acts of violence -- and then blames police or racism or anything but the perpetrators.

goofus says

There's something sick in encouraging structureless, fatherless "communities of color" through perverse benefits incentives, weak school discipline, and increasingly weak policing.

Yep - fuck all of them until they have an honest discussion about these failed policies that created generations of poverty in the African American community.

No amount of government Affirmative Action, Contract Preferences, after-school programming, let alone Reparations is going to make up for the generational poverty and dysfunction of single parent households.

But the Left has made it "RAAACIST" to even have this discussion.

Fucking BLM is still celebrating this destructive life choice in their charter!

*We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.*
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

jazz_music says

Fuck this entire insane racial supremacy/inferiority con job.

NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.

jazz_music says

goofus says

NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.

What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns

I'm here for coherent arguments, not blathering about "supremacy."

jazz_music says

goofus says

I'm here for coherent arguments, not blathering about "supremacy."

WGAF

That's right - coherence is racist, math is racist, logic is racist.

And "WGAF" is maturity in action.

jazz_music says

goofus says

NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.

What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns

Stop commiting arson then.

jazz_music says

FuckCCP89 says

jazz_music says

goofus says

NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.

What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns

Stop commiting arson then.

This talk is insane and a waste of time

Talk? Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.

goofus says

That's right - coherence is racist, math is racist, logic is racist.

You forgot:

Astronomy is Colonized
Western Civ is White Supremacy
E=mc2 is a Sexed Equation

jazz_music says

FuckCCP89 says

Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.

Fake news

Lol how?

jazz_music says

FuckCCP89 says

Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.

Fake news

Yep, even them reported it. Here:

www.youtube.com/embed/8UO8ppmbjK8

Please don't use "libtard". It's not anything we can have a reasonable discussion about, nor is "Trumptard".

Let's talk about policies and results, and general philosophies.

We just had the worst 24 hours of murder in Chicago History in 60 Years

All victims and perps Black.

https://t.co/zJnCXDWvQQ?amp=1

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime?utm_campaign=chicago.suntimes&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Black Lives Don't Matter, unless it's one of the very rare Police Fatalities.

If whites were blacks, then blacks would really have something to worry about.

NoCoupForYou says

We just had the worst 24 hours of murder in Chicago History in 60 Years

All victims and perps Black.

https://t.co/zJnCXDWvQQ?amp=1

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime?utm_campaign=chicago.suntimes&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Black Lives Don't Matter, unless it's one of the very rare Police Fatalities.

Stop your systemic racism. Blacks should be allowed to kill each other in abundance. Who are you to tell blacks not to kill each other?

All those jobs gone. Who are those workers out of a job going to vote for?

jazz_music says

A brutal austerity has befallen America since Reagan's time

Oh come on. Nobody in America is starving. Even people that WANT to live in a cardboard box can get food easily. Most Americans have smart phones giving them access to a world of information and entertainment. Anyone that talks about the poverty and lack of "safety net" has never spent any time in the hammock that is the social services system we pay for today.

Anyone that wants to work can. Agreed that it can be brutal when you have no skills or work ethic. But one will never get skills or work ethic without trying. Bringing manufacturing jobs back from the polluting slave labor countries we have outsourced them to will help. A young man can choose to work hard and eventually become successful or be a lazy thug. Unfortunately the thug subculture, supported by mainstream media, is very appealing to young men with no fathers.

Where is this "brutal austerity" you talk of?

jazz_music says

Fuck this entire insane racial supremacy/inferiority con job.

With you there. Judge them on the content of their character not the color of their skin.

goofus says

There's something sick in encouraging structureless, fatherless "communities of color" through perverse benefits incentives, weak school discipline, and increasingly weak policing. It becomes Lord of the Flies when the 15-35 year old demographic controls the streets, unemployed, with criminal enterprises to fund their gangs (drugs, prostitution, gun-running).

The left, in retaining purity of heart, looks the other way on random acts of violence -- and then blames police or racism or anything but the perpetrators.

Excellent analysis!

"911."
"Yes, someone is robbing my house."
"The police no longer exist."
"But someone is robbing my house!"
"Check your privilege."

Presidential funeral happen to be for criminal Floyd.
Next: bronze statue in front of WH.

Patrick says

That information is not clear. It doesn't tell me if the labels of "black", "white" and "hispanic" are victims or perpetrators.