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GlocknLoad says

Bitcoin's going to $300k+

Market cap? Or per coin? Not that there is a big difference.

@Zak
you might be new to the topic of cryptocurrency. There isnt really a debate about Bitcoin being digital gold or not. Institutions / Investors see it that way....just use your search engine.
My point is, I couldnt care less what some random guy on the web thinks about Bitcoin. All I care about is that we keep the posts civil.
https://www.reuters.com/article/crypto-currencies-jpm/bitcoin-emergence-as-digital-gold-could-lift-price-to-146000-says-jpm-idUSL8N2JG2MM
https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/bitcoin-digital-gold-traditional-currency-5-yrs-billionaire-novogratz-2020-10-1029720375
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2020/12/04/bitcoin-could-become-the-digital-gold/?sh=42648c6fe788

@onvacation
300k per coin would be crazy good but 100k-200k per digital gold coin (Bitcoin) would already be amazing.
I know some dont understand market cap. Its actually simple. Market price * circulating supply. Just like with stocks.

G36 says

I know some dont understand market cap. Its actually simple. Market price * circulating supply. Just like with stocks.

Stocks represent a share of a companies profit or loss. We wouldn't say the market cap of a game of lotto is all the circulating tickets multiplied by the grand prize. Same with bitcoin.

I try to give you all of these simple examples to help you understand that you are gambling. You'll understand some day.

@onvacation,
its an investment in digital gold and the market cap of any cryptocurrency traded on exchanges is representing the market price times the circulating supply.
One day you will look back and say, dang, should have listened to G36, "Bitcoin under 50k would have been the investment of a life time."

G36 says

circulating supply.

Currency circulates. Bitcoin is a distributed ledger.

I'm hoping you sell and take some profit soon. Until you trade your bits for money the only gains you will have is the ones you pay taxes on. Maybe just sell 30% or so to cushion the inevitable crash?

I'm Curious. Do you have to pay taxes on your unrealized gains? or can you wait until you actually realize gains?

Onvacation says

G36 says

circulating supply.

Bitcoin is a distributed ledger.


@onvacation
Yes! Blockchain is one type of a distributed ledger. Distributed ledgers use independent computers (referred to as nodes) to record, share and synchronize transactions in their respective electronic ledgers (instead of keeping data centralized as in a traditional ledger). Bitcoin is decentralized!

Onvacation says
I'm hoping you sell and take some profit soon.


mhm, not soon. I think in a few month when its trading above 100k I will start taking profits.

Onvacation says
Do you have to pay taxes on your unrealized gains?

My original plan was to only pay long term capital gains which occurs when you buy and then sell or exchange a crypto asset after holding it for a year or longer. I might even hold Bitcoin until it reaches 500k in the next few years. Which would mean I have to pay zero taxes until I sell or trade my precious digital gold coins.

Patrick says

If people want to continue overpaying to make realtors and bankers rich, well, that's just stupid but I can only yell about it for so long.

It’s almost like Bitcoin. It’s only worth what you can buy with it (nothing). But I can only shout about it for so long.

clambo says

The neighbor gets assessed at $3 million and because he’s 200 feet away, guess what?
Your little prefab house with a view is assessed for a couple of million bucks!

So because my grandma squatted on a piece of land in central Manhattan 100 years ago the heirs should never have to pay a step up in basis? That’s prop 13. Insane

ignoreme says

clambo says

The neighbor gets assessed at $3 million and because he’s 200 feet away, guess what?
Your little prefab house with a view is assessed for a couple of million bucks!

So because my grandma squatted on a piece of land in central Manhattan 100 years ago the heirs should never have to pay a step up in basis? That’s prop 13. Insane

Well said.

ignoreme says

It’s almost like Bitcoin. It’s only worth what you can buy with it

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/bitcoin-hits-us-40k-mark-doubling-price-in-less-than-a-month-1.5258104

@ignoreme
you can buy a lot of beer and great food for 40k.

per the article "Bitcoin hits US$40K mark, doubling price in less than a month"

You know, one of the Rothschild's was famous for saying "Buy when there's blood in the streets."

And there is these days. Maybe that's why markets are up.

The last couple weeks were great for those in the market. Like mentioned earlier there is currently no recession on the horizon. Maybe late 2021 or 2022.

mell says

The last couple weeks were great for those in the market. Like mentioned earlier there is currently no recession on the horizon. Maybe late 2021 or 2022.

*****

How can entire industries be destroyed yet we aren’t in a recession? (Theater chains, hospitality, in restaurant dining, cruise and air travel) My ordinary family had $20k earmarked for disneyworld and Costs Rica this year ... both cancelled and spent squat!

We work from home so no gas cost. We don’t eat out, but admittedly do order in often. (That’s a lot of out of work waiters). We saved more this year than the last 10 years combined! But we have no plans to spend that saved money... it’s forever lost from going back in the economy... it’s a nice fat safety net and retirement savings. Simply because we couldn’t spend money and feared spending money. We will go on vacations and travel again, but we won’t dip deep into those savings to do it... that’s ours for experiencing a shitty year. The one good thing to come out of 2020.

I guess it’s all forward looking... but that was the quickest recession and fastest recovery in history!

Onvacation says

I'm Curious. Do you have to pay taxes on your unrealized gains? or can you wait until you actually realize gains?

This was one of my biggest concerns when I got out of Crypto, There was talk about taxing every crypto trade, I only traded once or twice but had friends trading daily, hourly even. could be a huge tax trap later on.

XRP paid off my student loans and bought me a Truck. If I had stayed in for 2 more weeks I would have held $6M... whoops. at that max valuation XRP was worth 3x more than Apple, definitely out of touch, didn't see that coming. With limited supply in BTC, large investors can create artificial demand and hodl the greater fools hostage, as long as its considered legal the price may represent the stupidity of people, infinity.

BoomAndBustCycle says

mell says

The last couple weeks were great for those in the market. Like mentioned earlier there is currently no recession on the horizon. Maybe late 2021 or 2022.

*****

How can entire industries be destroyed yet we aren’t in a recession? (Theater chains, hospitality, in restaurant dining, cruise and air travel) My ordinary family had $20k earmarked for disneyworld and Costs Rica this year ... both cancelled and spent squat!

We work from home so no gas cost. We don’t eat out, but admittedly do order in often. (That’s a lot of out of work waiters). We saved more this year than the last 10 years combined! But we have no plans to spend that saved money... it’s forever lost from going back in the economy... it’s a nice fat safety net and retirement savings. Simply because we couldn’t spend money and feared spending money. We will go on vacations and travel again, but we won’t dip de...

Small businesses have suffered greatly but most of them are not public companies. The big(ger) companies making up Wall Street are doing well at the expense if the smaller businesses. Also tech benefited hugely from the lockdowns and biotech from getting into focus. Overall employment is there if you have the skills and want to work for the man. That's why there's no recession yet.

That's why there's no recession yet.

Also because government employees, welfare takers, government retirees and favored industries did not miss a paycheck.

HeadSet says

That's why there's no recession yet.

Also because government employees, welfare takers, government retirees and favored industries did not miss a paycheck.

That too.

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Single party rule coming, so stocks will take a hit since government is gonna go on borrowing spree.

Fortwaynemobile says

Single party rule coming, so stocks will take a hit since government is gonna go on borrowing spree.

Before Trump was elected we were told the stock market will crash if Trump wins. The stock market soared.
Before Biden gets in we are being told the stock market will crash.
Before (insert next candidate) gets in, we will be told, the stock market will crash.
...

Low interest rates and money printing push asset prices higher.

G36 says

Low interest rates and money printing push asset prices higher.

This unless a Bush or Clinton is around.

What are you guys doing with your 401k thinking about moving most to money market for a month, cant shake gut feeling of crash.

Already in MM..

Dunno about the 401, choices are limited.

But all the IRAs, considering G36 and Cash's posts: sell all positions, open Robinhood account, put it all in crypto's.

I reckon a tenfold increase by the end of the year.

If we get a single party I would seriously think about a strategy to get money out of that 401k. Those things are too tempting for the govey.

RC2006 says

What are you guys doing with your 401k thinking about moving most to money market for a month, cant shake gut feeling of crash.

Correction yes, crash no. Earnings are still more than intact. I'm having a hard time taking any gains because the market is pushing higher each week. Convert some of it but not all if you want to pay respect to your gut. I'm expecting new highs til 2H21 at least, cause the next euphoria will be re-opening of businesses and retail.

G36 says

Fortwaynemobile says

Single party rule coming, so stocks will take a hit since government is gonna go on borrowing spree.

Before Trump was elected we were told the stock market will crash if Trump wins. The stock market soared.
Before Biden gets in we are being told the stock market will crash.
Before (insert next candidate) gets in, we will be told, the stock market will crash.
...

Low interest rates and money printing push asset prices higher.

Single party rule, with Dems assets inflate and stocks deflate. It’s same pattern always.

Fortwaynemobile says

Single party rule

They don't have majority in the Senate, so it's not really one-party rule. Even with Kummalala's tie-breaking vote, it's still too slim to be useful for anything.

RC2006 says

What are you guys doing with your 401k thinking about moving most to money market for a month, cant shake gut feeling of crash.

Money Market accounts are not money.

They can lose value.

This was a big lesson of the 2001 crash.

FuckCCP89 says

Fortwaynemobile says

Single party rule

They don't have majority in the Senate, so it's not really one-party rule. Even with Kummalala's tie-breaking vote, it's still too slim to be useful for anything.

They just got majority, VP is tie breaker.

Dholliday126 says

If we get a single party I would seriously think about a strategy to get money out of that 401k. Those things are too tempting for the govey.

We have a single party. Democrats are more Republican than Republicans now, fuck the poor, outsource jobs, insource illegals, anything for profit.

Biden took far more money from Wall Street than Trump did.

Trump was his own party.

Patrick says

Money Market accounts are not money.

They can lose value.

This was a big lesson of the 2001 crash.

Can't they only loose money if rates go negative. What other fund is safer with 401?

mell says

cause the next euphoria will be re-opening of businesses and retail.

The greatly exaggerated "pandemic" was helpful in forcing a reversal of the economy, which was doing embarrassingly well under Trump.

It does seem likely that soon they will declare that they have achieved victory over the "invisible enemy" because there is no longer a threat to the elite.

On the other hand, the elite are getting so much out of this that they may keep it going literally forever.

- tech billionaires greatly increased their fortunes by wiping out small retail businessmen, forcing us to buy online
- the state has an excuse for tracking everyone you personally talk to, a Soviet dream scenario
- the recent "aid" pacakages went mostly to big businesses like airlines and banks, organizations with a log of influence; common people get almost nothing

Patrick says

mell says

cause the next euphoria will be re-opening of businesses and retail.

The greatly exaggerated "pandemic" was helpful in forcing a reversal of the economy, which was doing embarrassingly well under Trump.

It does seem likely that soon they will declare that they have achieved victory over the "invisible enemy" because there is no longer a threat to the elite.

On the other hand, the elite are getting so much out of this that they may keep it going literally forever.

- tech billionaires greatly increased their fortunes by wiping out small retail businessmen, forcing us to buy online
- the state has an excuse for tracking everyone you personally talk to, a Soviet dream scenario
- the recent "aid" pacakages went mostly to big businesses like airlines and banks, organizations with a log of influence; common people get almost nothing

Right, the common people don't spend much though. What was different in 2008 was enough dominoes had toppled that suddenly the big players and spenders started losing a lot of money, their loans and rates were called in, etc., banks would choke off any continuation of loan related spending for private or business ventures. So spending on anything came to a halt.

Patrick says

This was a big lesson of the 2001 crash.

I think there was some law/rule passed after 08 that says banks can take it if we can another crash like 08 as well. Or some shit like that. Where is Rin?

Most recent stats are in. The trading geniuses (retail brokerage) decided to go an extra $56 billion onto margin in December after a record breaking $63 billion in November. From the increase in market levels so far this month, it looks like they are plowing everything they "save" into the markets plus borrowing billions and billions more. There are no adults cutting off this credit flow...buy more at the top...what could possibly go wrong?

Fortwaynemobile says

FuckCCP89 says

Fortwaynemobile says

Single party rule

They don't have majority in the Senate, so it's not really one-party rule. Even with Kummalala's tie-breaking vote, it's still too slim to be useful for anything.

They just got majority, VP is tie breaker.

One moderate Dem senator balks and even simple majority is gone. Besides, any serious shit will need a filibuster-proof majority. Good luck getting that.

Eric Holder says

One moderate Dem senator balks and even simple majority is gone. Besides, any serious shit will need a filibuster-proof majority. Good luck getting that.

Not even moderate. Opportunistic or needs to get reelected in a state where winning isn't a slam dunk in '22 or '24. We saw it with Republicans and they did have a majority under Trump (Romney, Collins, etc.).

Biden will mainly be a lame duck. Remember the House lost seats as well. I don't see that trend reversing in 2022, Dems will lose more. The usual cycle recently has been for the losing party for POTUS to take the House back 2 years later.

We also still have to see what the census did I believe. That kind of got swept under the rug with Covid. Many urban areas lost a lot of population. Where did those people go? Were they D's or R's? That could push some purple districts red as I think most moving out of urban areas are sick of the leftist shit.

mell says

the next euphoria will be re-opening of businesses and retail

Much of that is already priced in during the last couple months. A big missing piece after re-opening will be business reinvestment. What retail or small/medium business will invest in an environment that can be shut-down at a moment's notice for made-up excuses? The big techs will be facing a big problem expanding into foreign countries because all the other countries now have seen the regime risk in allowing them in. It's trivial to reverse-engineer the big social media firms to create something similar in their own countries.