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Booger says

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/george-floyd-toxicology-report-pinned-to-black-history-month-display/

George Floyd’s toxicology report pinned to Black History Month display at Duke

Whoever (whomever?) did that, I'd like to shake their hand. If the toxicology report is false, the coroner needs to face consequences, but given the history of Floyd, I doubt it's false so people are being attacked for telling the truth - in the "land of the free and the brave".

EDIT: apparently it's "whoever" - whoever is used as a subject pronoun, whomever is an object pronoun. I guess all those years of being a grammar Nazi in ELEMENTARY school didn't pay off.

I don't know if anyone else has watched the entire 26 minute bodycam video, but I highly recommend doing it to understand the full context around George Floyd's arrest. It's very sad to see. After watching it, I had VERY mixed feelings on the entire situation. I could NEVER convict any of the police officers of homicide after seeing the video if I was on the jury. However, I would have to listen very closely to both sides to decide for negligence or negligent manslaughter. The whole "I can't breathe" thing is a HUGE red herring, as prior to any restraint, Floyd is saying he can't breathe because of claustrophobia when he is put inside the police cruiser. They take him out and restrain him on the ground because he is thrashing violently in the cruiser saying he is claustrophobic and can't breathe. They take him outside onto the ground LITERALLY to HELP him breathe better from claustrophobia. But then the neck restraint when someone says they can't breathe is the questionable part, especially for several minutes after he stops moving. At the same time, his thrashing is VERY violent, and you can honestly see the need to severely subdue him. But then after he stops moving, or even responding, you're asking, "ok why aren't you easing up???" But at the same time, it's in your head "yeah that violence is absolutely a danger to all of the police officers without extreme restraint." Then after they finally find he has no pulse, they start CPR, and one of the officers climbs in the ambulance and is assisting the EMT to try to revive him.

To make it worse, the people around the officers heckling them about restraining the person who was just being extremely violent is causing them to have to divert their attention to their surroundings rather than being able to focus on his status. The video shows me lots of reasonable doubt as to homicidal intent, but again the negligence case could possibly be shown especially if specific training to avoid this kind of situation could be shown that wasn't followed. At the very least, it would seem that the city would be negligibly liable if they didn't properly train the officers in the use of restraint and monitoring the arrestee, and the officers would be negligent if they did get specific training.

The other confounding factor here is that there is a probably lethal dose of fentanyl in Floyd's system, and it is possible he would have died without restraint. The neck restraint might not have even been a contributing factor.. But then, the question needs to be asked, were the officers trained to have reasonably been able to see or infer that Floyd was overdosing, and should they have been able to administer Norcan. This is a much weaker case that the prosecution would have to try to prove in my mind tho.

Zak says

At the very least, it would seem that the city would be negligibly liable if they didn't properly train the officers in the use of restraint and monitoring the arrestee, and the officers would be negligent if they did get specific training.

The knee to the neck was standard operating procedure.

Floyd was a violent thug who died from overdose and the longterm effects of drug abuse while resisting criminal arrest. The trial is a travesty of justice but that is the America we now live in.

It's not going to be pretty when all the patriots wake up. No justice, no peace.

"Floyd was a violent thug who died from overdose and the longterm effects of drug abuse while resisting criminal arrest."

Without making any judgements on who Floyd was, I tried to present what I think an unbiased juror should look at. We don't have the death penalty for resisting arrest, so when someone is deprived of their life, we should take it very seriously. Lots of people die from drug overdoses to the point that we are training police officers to carry antidotes for this exact reason. And that's the job we are paying people for. If we are training and equipping them to deal with this, and they aren't dealing with it, then yes it could be negligence.

Here on Patrick.net , I would actually expect people to be more sympathetic to the fact that the financial and banking systems are literally driving people into the ground, and then into the underground of drugs and crime. I'm not saying Floyd wasn't ultimately at fault for his own death. In fact I said it's pretty clear he wasn't murdered. I agree that it is a travesty of Justice to charge the officers with murder. More political theater really. I blame the media for poor reporting. Doesn't mean we shouldn't make sure that people getting into a bad situation aren't killed due to officers being negligent on procedures we are putting in place to safely deal with these issues.

Zak says

"Floyd was a violent thug who died from overdose and the longterm effects of drug abuse while resisting criminal arrest."

Without making any judgements on who Floyd was, I tried to present what I think an unbiased juror should look at.

You may be unaware, but a year prior to Floyd's LAST arrest, he did the same thing when he was arrested. He downed all the drugs he had, ended up ODing and ended up in the hospital for an "accidental drug overdose", but they couldn't get him on possession.

I've seen the ENTIRE bodycam video. Not only did the officers show restraint, they were actually polite.

Floyd ODed - the argument should be over drug possession laws. Whatever stupid crap you want to put into your body, that's your decision. He should have been arrested for trying to pass off a fake $20 bill, and drug possession shouldn't be a crime at all. If that was the case, he would be alive today.

If you want to enforce counterfeiting dollar bills - go hang all the motherfuckers that run the Federal Reserve. They counterfeit ALL THE TIME. Floyd should have been arrested for attempted petty theft, and that's it.

This wasn't a failure of the police which DID use standard operating procedure. Floyd wasn't killed because Chauvin was on his neck. I saw the first reports on his arrest, and was fully convinced "the pigs murdered this man", then I saw the full bodycam footage - which is here if you want to see it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQYMBALDXc

That's the whole damned thing. I remember thinking "well, Floyd was handcuffed! What was he going to do?? RUN???" As it turns out - "Yes! - he would have run if he wasn't forcibly restrained."

The fact that 27 MILLION dollars has been paid out to the surviving family is ridiculous. I guarantee those assholes think they won the lottery because of their shithead drug addict relative.

Zak says

"Floyd was a violent thug who died from overdose and the longterm effects of drug abuse while resisting criminal arrest."

Without making any judgements on who Floyd was, I tried to present what I think an unbiased juror should look at. We don't have the death penalty for resisting arrest, so when someone is deprived of their life, we should take it very seriously. Lots of people die from drug overdoses to the point that we are training police officers to carry antidotes for this exact reason. And that's the job we are paying people for. If we are training and equipping them to deal with this, and they aren't dealing with it, then yes it could be negligence.

Here on Patrick.net , I would actually expect people to be more sympathetic to the fact that the financial and banking systems are literally driving people into the ground, and then into the underground of drugs and crime. I'm not saying Floyd wasn't ultimately at fault for his own death. In fact I said it's pretty cle...

The thug held a drawn gun against a (possibly pregnant) woman's belly in a home robbery. There was nothing good to save here. The neck restraint was standard procedure and you cannot convict somebody, not even of lesser/accidental manslaughter, if they followed protocol and laws. Justice is not done by whether a video is hard to watch or not, only by following logic and applying current laws. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the trial is a travesty.

Every emergency room in every big city in America has things that are 'hard to watch' due to malfeasance, drugs and violence, yet nobody is putting emergency room personell on trial.

Just because something is 'hard to watch' does not immediately imply guilt or inappropriate conduct.

Booger says

https://nypost.com/2021/03/26/george-floyd-toxicology-report-pinned-to-black-history-month-display/

George Floyd’s toxicology report pinned to Black History Month display at Duke

Just so we have the image from that:

"Looks like" and "could be" (insert name of lethal drug here _________ ) isn't proof.

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

Civilian police tolerate allot. I don't envy their jobs and that's an understatement. But the fact of the matter is SOME police are highly abusive and out of control. And they aren't getting punished. Add to the fact American police overall lack the training skills needed to do their jobs correctly.

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach. The police told each other he "threated a cop with a knife". The police locked down our building for an entire day, confiscated everyone's cell phones as "evidence" (hoping to find something that could absolve them of murder). Sent goons into the building to "interview" everyone demanding answers. Surrounding the building with police from several jurisdictions. Send huge surveillance trucks with satellites and laser pointed eaves dropping devices. It was the the most insane thing I'd ever seen. A literal "police state" surrounded the building. Everyone was stuck in the little cafe downstairs ... which was kind of funny to me in a way; because that cafe had been struggling and suddenly sold 100% out of food, - all their stock - beer wine and desserts because those people were stuck there all day Imagine the most packed Restaurant you've ever seen - except the people are trapped in there all day with nothing to do except talk, order food and drink; because the police would not let them leave.

They murdered a homeless man named Kelly Thomas - heart breaking video - and 100% got away with it. Despite extensive news coverage, peaceful local protests and the fact the victims father was a retired higher rank officer. There are many other examples where you see video tape of the killing and the police are not punished. "He was reaching for his waist" - case dismissed.

The tactic is similar: 1) No comment 2) Delay, delay delay 3) Quiet not guilty verdict.

#3 isn't going to happen this time. If they let these cops go there will be 7 more months of burning violence and military style traffic stops of "protestors", looted stores, fires, destroyed businesses. Everything the first time - play it again Sam possibly even louder. And you can bet your ass these people are itching to for round #2.

These officers have to go down.

Michael Cooke says

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

Nobody gives a fuck anymore. Let them riot.

The good news is that liberals usually burn down liberal cities.

FuckCCP89 says

Michael Cooke says

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

Nobody gives a fuck anymore. Let them riot.

I give a fuck. They surrounded my vehicle in Las Vegas and were about to destroy it during their "protest". The police pushing them off the strip and away from Trump Tower - causing them to run was the only thing that saved me. The ironic thing is I went out of my way to avoid them while driving and ran into them.

They started showing me signs and when I did not reply in kind - they started yelling all kinds of vile and label's. I had a gun in the center console. Had to been forced to defend my life; I would've gone to prison and had my life turned upside down. I would have eventually had the case dismissed of course (I assume) - but at what cost? $50,000 in legal fees. Mugshots that sit for a decades online. Loss of business/clients. Reputation smeared. Sitting in jail with no bail so a judge can gain political points for re-election in a democrat district. You are 100% innocent - but the system doesn't care. All of this is going through your head.

These leftists have nothing to lose. But when you have everything to lose - it's a different story.

Any past or future riots had nothing to do with Floyd. They had to do with subversives being lavishly financed by individuals attempting to destroy America. Neither should the outcome of a court trial be determined by whether riots are occurring or not. The financiers of riots and subversion were already planned out and just needed the handy 'excuse'.

The early protesters over Floyd were actually peaceful until these rogue elements entered the picture. They don't give a flying fuck about Floyd. They care about causing social division. Floyd himself and his suicidal drug abuse are irrelevant.

Michael Cooke says

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

So fucking be it.

If Chauvin is sent to jail, the message is that police officers can be convicted because they intervened with a person over-dosing on drugs after they committed a crime.

How much violence will be the result of that?

Michael Cooke says

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach. The police told each other he "threated a cop with a knife". The police locked down our building for an entire day, confiscated everyone's cell phones as "evidence" (hoping to find something that could absolve them of murder). Sent goons into the building to "interview" everyone demanding answers.

Looks like a bunch of pussies in your building. I would have uploaded the video to a private server. You better get used to fact that when you have evidence of a crime by the government, you better fucking offload it from any personal device. Then you co-operate, do whatever, and retrieve and disseminate the evidence later.

Hasn't Julian Assange taught you dick yet?

Don't you realize yet that criminal government employees are given a pass, and honest ones are convicted? I don't care if I'm on the losing side, I'm on the correct side. I've exposed corruption before in both business and government not that I'll ever win any awards, because you can't come forward without being punished. You can just demonstrate evidence.

HunterTits says

Hey, what happened to @WillPowers anyway?

I'm still around. I'm just taking a needed break from social media and all the anger associated with it. Get my head in a good mental space. I still care about the issues and keep up with the news. I watch the War Room religiously and I recommend the show because Bannon tells it like it is, no holds bared. Here is a link to his show: https://pandemic.warroom.org/

Michael Cooke says

These officers have to go down.

So the jury must forget justice and just convict the officers despite a huge body of exculpatory evidence so the left wing radicals don’t destroy property again?
What school did you attend? I want to be sure my kids don’t ever go there.

Michael Cooke says

These leftists have nothing to lose. But when you have everything to lose - it's a different story.

Bottom line: the terrorists bent you to to their will and it didn't take that much effort on their part.

So sad.

Michael Cooke says

isn't going to happen this time. If they let these cops go there will be 7 more months of burning violence and military style traffic stops of "protestors", looted stores, fires, destroyed businesses

No. The FBI now finds protesters and charges them with insurrection.

There is a new sherriff in town and BLM is standing down.

George Floyd has served his purpose.

Onvacation says

No. The FBI now finds protesters and charges them with insurrection.

Are there any examples of that, outside of the Washington DC "insurrection?"

The purpose of BLM and the riots was only to sow chaos in the hope of unseating Trump. They still needed election fraud in the end, but that was the purpose.

Note that BLM was also heavily funded in 2016, right before the last election, and then fell off the radar until 2020.

The useful idiots have done the bidding of their owners, and now they will be chained up until useful again, maybe 2024.

The virus and most of the forest fires were also deliberate and intended to sow chaos imho.

Patrick says

The useful idiots have done the bidding of their owners, and now they will be chained up until useful again, maybe 2024.

2022 will be here before you know it.

richwicks says

drug possession shouldn't be a crime at all. If that was the case, he would be alive today.

Doubtful. He was taking fentanyl. He was bound to OD even at some point.

Patrick says

The virus and most of the forest fires were also deliberate and intended to sow chaos imho.

Agreed! Many of the Oregon fires were started every couple of miles along the highways. Those bastards who burned it down think socialism will give them a free ride. They are right. They just don't realize where the ride will take them.

theoakman says

richwicks says

drug possession shouldn't be a crime at all. If that was the case, he would be alive today.

Doubtful. He was taking fentanyl. He was bound to OD even at some point.

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

I find it curious that neither “Michael Cooke” nor “Zak” cite any law nor do they cite any police procedure in their responses here.

Like all investigations, things take time. This is even more so when a prosecutor has an agenda to push(or in this situation an entire narrative to push).

I’m gonna say the same thing I said for the Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Freddie Gray cases...in all of which a false narrative was pushed on social media, in the mainstream media, and by the Democrat race hustlers....let the investigation play out. Let the court case play out. We will find out fairly close to what actually happened.

In the meantime, arm chair attorneys should read up on the law and legal process. Just like that dingbat Marcus repeatedly incorrectly stated that the Travon Martin case would set precedence, even after definitive proof that he was wrong was posted, there’s a lot of terrible legal advice and opinion in this and other threads on the topic.

Michael Cooke says

"Looks like" and "could be" (insert name of lethal drug here _________ ) isn't proof.

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

Civilian police tolerate allot. I don't envy their jobs and that's an understatement. But the fact of the matter is SOME police are highly abusive and out of control. And they aren't getting punished. Add to the fact American police overall lack the training skills needed to do their jobs correctly.

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to...

The examples you mention - if they happened that way - are completely different from the thug who died of a fentanyl overdose. Just because some cops are trigger happy you don't convict innocent ones to make up for it. There was no law broken or crime committed in this case. Everything was standard procedure.

June is coming up, left is moving toward honoring gays like their lifestyle choices are superior in every way. They don’t give a shit about blacks anymore.

mell says

There was no law broken or crime committed in this case. Everything was standard procedure.

Yeah. The reaction is going to be rough. I got I think $100 bet on it with my buddies dad, we'll see if he remembers. He thinks the cop will get convicted, I think he'll stay out of jail was the gist of it and he'll get some slap on the wrist charge. I'm like "for what?" when he says he'll get convicted. Smart guy, multi-millionaire (which doesn't make him understand law).

I think people forget about jurys and the fact it's an all or nothing proposition. No chance a jury convicts based on what was the muni's written procedure on how to handle the situation. The calmness. And the fact the dude was high as a kite and given a bunch of opportunity to just chill out. It was a domino effect caused by Floyd because he was OD'ing on drugs. There's really no other way to look at it.

I think logic in this case will prevail at the end of the day. I really don't personally care if it was over a minor fake $20 infraction. Why break the law? Go work and make $20. It's not hard. There has to be some structure and law to society or it falls apart. I think we're going down the falling apart path unfortunately.

rocketjoe79 says

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

The Chinese see this as revenge for what the English did to them with opium.

But America is not England, and even fought a war against England for independence.

Onvacation says

Agreed! Many of the Oregon fires were started every couple of miles along the highways.

These arsonist cunts need to be shot on sight, not caught and released as it was a SOP last summer.

Michael Cooke says

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach.

He played stupid games and won a stupid prize. At any moment he could have stopped and surrendered but he decided to double and triple down.

FuckCCP89 says

Michael Cooke says

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach.

He played stupid games and won a stupid prize. At any moment he could have stopped and surrendered but he decided to double and triple down.

This. What the hell does one expect getting caught in the act of doing illegal activity? I support the police as it's a shit job, but all you're doing is increasing your odds of catching the bad cop or even a good cop on an off day and getting your ass handed to you.

Is it really that difficult to not follow 99.9% of laws? Sure we all speed or roll a stop sign. But we cannot just allow for theft, even scissors, or violent crimes. You steal a candy bar first, then scissors, then a purse and then a gun and shoot someone. Stealing scissors is a gateway crime. Partially being sarcastic, but at the same time it really is true. You get away with something, you'll do it again. And it will escalate in value each time you get away with it.

Patrick says

rocketjoe79 says

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

The Chinese see this as revenge for what the English did to them with opium.

But America is not England, and even fought a war against England for independence.

Don't think Americans weren't involved with the opium trade with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company#Foundation

Ever seen the opium production of Afghanistan over the last 2 decades?



Gee, look at what US military occupation did..

That's part of the reason the US is actually in Afghanistan. The United States federal government is FULLY involved with the drug trade, all over the world, including the United States. Remember, the job of the intelligence agencies is to produce propaganda for the public, information for the government, and protect criminals within the government. That's why Hillary Clinton isn't going to jail, and Hunter Biden can smoke as much crack and get as many hookers as he pleases.

WookieMan says

No chance a jury convicts

The jury is 50% Black FWIW.

richwicks says

The United States federal government is FULLY involved with the drug trade, all over the world, including the United States.

Why? What's the point? The government which can pretty much print trillions in world reserve currency suddenly needs to be involved in low-tech narcotics production in some 3rd World shithole? Who buys all the poppy from the farmers? US Army? USDA? Who transports it? USAF? How much money are we talking about? Couple of billions? Three? How come not a single whistleblower has emerged in 20 years? Sounds extremely silly, like shit Russian TV likes to peddle.

PS. Meanwhile Russian diplomats were legit busted in Argentina transporting cocaine in diplomatic packages on Russian government plane. But lookie here, US is in Afghanistan and poppy is grown there too! It's not a coincidence! No Siree Bob!

There's a grim logic to CIA being involved in drugs, arms and human trafficking.

You can operate from one of two perspectives: human beings are good, they shouldn't use drugs or intoxicate themselves, they should not engage in unusual sex practices, and they shouldn't buy and use armaments to hurt or dominate each other. Laws should be based on outlawing and punishing these practices.

Or, you can operate from the 'original sin' perspective, that people will be as flawed and bad and immoral as you allow them to be, they will always use drugs and intoxicating substances relentlessly in spite of rigid punitive sanctions, they will always engage in unusual sex practices and sell sex, and they will always relentlessly seek armaments to harm and dominate their fellow man.

The problem is when you outlaw things that people will relentlessly do, you create huge profit centers for criminals who will sell the people what they want at inflated prices due to those things being illegal.

These criminals then create power centers that can challenge the government, and can damage currencies by holding large reserves of them, buy politicians, influence government, incite armed rebellions etc. etc. These adverse, well armed, well financed centers can have multiple heads.

There was a point when the American industrialists, financiers and intelligence agencies decided that these inevitable profits of vice should be captured by the State and themselves, because that would be a 'lesser evil' that would help preserve the government and keep their fingers on the pulse of criminals and rebels. You would not have these huge profits going to entities who could destabilize currencies, politics, the government, or the country.

So, they just whistled at the devil and decided to take over as much of these relentlessly inevitable enterprises as they could using government resources.

The problem is, you cannot enter these devil's bargains without becoming relentlessly corrupt, too, and that is where it stands. We traded an unofficial government by actual criminals for an official government of criminals. As far as the people are concerned, the end results are winding up the same.

CIA officers cannot be arrested, subjected to subpoena or charged with crimes. They have immunity and are often sheep dipped or operating under aliases. Yet, they are organizing and operating criminal networks, performing executions at will, and enlisting criminal co-conspirators who are NOT immune.

When they started the old 'war on drugs', the laws were presented as wearing the white hat. The laws were as much for the purpose of having a governmental instrument for trying and imprisoning the competitors of the intelligence agency drug sales, weapons deals, and trafficking, and for 'retiring' their own co-conspirators when they couldn't be relied upon any more or directly assassinated.

There are individuals who worked for the CIA drug trades who wound up imprisoned for their activities, when their CIA bosses were never touched.