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Michael Cooke says

These officers have to go down.

So the jury must forget justice and just convict the officers despite a huge body of exculpatory evidence so the left wing radicals don’t destroy property again?
What school did you attend? I want to be sure my kids don’t ever go there.

Michael Cooke says

These leftists have nothing to lose. But when you have everything to lose - it's a different story.

Bottom line: the terrorists bent you to to their will and it didn't take that much effort on their part.

So sad.

Michael Cooke says

isn't going to happen this time. If they let these cops go there will be 7 more months of burning violence and military style traffic stops of "protestors", looted stores, fires, destroyed businesses

No. The FBI now finds protesters and charges them with insurrection.

There is a new sherriff in town and BLM is standing down.

George Floyd has served his purpose.

Onvacation says

No. The FBI now finds protesters and charges them with insurrection.

Are there any examples of that, outside of the Washington DC "insurrection?"

The purpose of BLM and the riots was only to sow chaos in the hope of unseating Trump. They still needed election fraud in the end, but that was the purpose.

Note that BLM was also heavily funded in 2016, right before the last election, and then fell off the radar until 2020.

The useful idiots have done the bidding of their owners, and now they will be chained up until useful again, maybe 2024.

The virus and most of the forest fires were also deliberate and intended to sow chaos imho.

Patrick says

The useful idiots have done the bidding of their owners, and now they will be chained up until useful again, maybe 2024.

2022 will be here before you know it.

richwicks says

drug possession shouldn't be a crime at all. If that was the case, he would be alive today.

Doubtful. He was taking fentanyl. He was bound to OD even at some point.

Patrick says

The virus and most of the forest fires were also deliberate and intended to sow chaos imho.

Agreed! Many of the Oregon fires were started every couple of miles along the highways. Those bastards who burned it down think socialism will give them a free ride. They are right. They just don't realize where the ride will take them.

theoakman says

richwicks says

drug possession shouldn't be a crime at all. If that was the case, he would be alive today.

Doubtful. He was taking fentanyl. He was bound to OD even at some point.

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

I find it curious that neither “Michael Cooke” nor “Zak” cite any law nor do they cite any police procedure in their responses here.

Like all investigations, things take time. This is even more so when a prosecutor has an agenda to push(or in this situation an entire narrative to push).

I’m gonna say the same thing I said for the Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and Freddie Gray cases...in all of which a false narrative was pushed on social media, in the mainstream media, and by the Democrat race hustlers....let the investigation play out. Let the court case play out. We will find out fairly close to what actually happened.

In the meantime, arm chair attorneys should read up on the law and legal process. Just like that dingbat Marcus repeatedly incorrectly stated that the Travon Martin case would set precedence, even after definitive proof that he was wrong was posted, there’s a lot of terrible legal advice and opinion in this and other threads on the topic.

Michael Cooke says

"Looks like" and "could be" (insert name of lethal drug here _________ ) isn't proof.

If these cops aren't prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law you better damn well bet your ass there will be another 7 months of riots from the far left

Civilian police tolerate allot. I don't envy their jobs and that's an understatement. But the fact of the matter is SOME police are highly abusive and out of control. And they aren't getting punished. Add to the fact American police overall lack the training skills needed to do their jobs correctly.

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to...

The examples you mention - if they happened that way - are completely different from the thug who died of a fentanyl overdose. Just because some cops are trigger happy you don't convict innocent ones to make up for it. There was no law broken or crime committed in this case. Everything was standard procedure.

June is coming up, left is moving toward honoring gays like their lifestyle choices are superior in every way. They don’t give a shit about blacks anymore.

mell says

There was no law broken or crime committed in this case. Everything was standard procedure.

Yeah. The reaction is going to be rough. I got I think $100 bet on it with my buddies dad, we'll see if he remembers. He thinks the cop will get convicted, I think he'll stay out of jail was the gist of it and he'll get some slap on the wrist charge. I'm like "for what?" when he says he'll get convicted. Smart guy, multi-millionaire (which doesn't make him understand law).

I think people forget about jurys and the fact it's an all or nothing proposition. No chance a jury convicts based on what was the muni's written procedure on how to handle the situation. The calmness. And the fact the dude was high as a kite and given a bunch of opportunity to just chill out. It was a domino effect caused by Floyd because he was OD'ing on drugs. There's really no other way to look at it.

I think logic in this case will prevail at the end of the day. I really don't personally care if it was over a minor fake $20 infraction. Why break the law? Go work and make $20. It's not hard. There has to be some structure and law to society or it falls apart. I think we're going down the falling apart path unfortunately.

rocketjoe79 says

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

The Chinese see this as revenge for what the English did to them with opium.

But America is not England, and even fought a war against England for independence.

Onvacation says

Agreed! Many of the Oregon fires were started every couple of miles along the highways.

These arsonist cunts need to be shot on sight, not caught and released as it was a SOP last summer.

Michael Cooke says

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach.

He played stupid games and won a stupid prize. At any moment he could have stopped and surrendered but he decided to double and triple down.

FuckCCP89 says

Michael Cooke says

I watched a man in Long Beach gunned down by an Army of police - 16+ strong shot him in the back as he was running away down a flight of stairs to the beach. It received 1 local news showing only, a few news clips online you'd have to dig through to find. The police settled with the family for 3 million dollars. His crime? Stealing scissors from Target, brandishing them to the security guard, and running from the police to the beach.

He played stupid games and won a stupid prize. At any moment he could have stopped and surrendered but he decided to double and triple down.

This. What the hell does one expect getting caught in the act of doing illegal activity? I support the police as it's a shit job, but all you're doing is increasing your odds of catching the bad cop or even a good cop on an off day and getting your ass handed to you.

Is it really that difficult to not follow 99.9% of laws? Sure we all speed or roll a stop sign. But we cannot just allow for theft, even scissors, or violent crimes. You steal a candy bar first, then scissors, then a purse and then a gun and shoot someone. Stealing scissors is a gateway crime. Partially being sarcastic, but at the same time it really is true. You get away with something, you'll do it again. And it will escalate in value each time you get away with it.

Patrick says

rocketjoe79 says

The fentanyl likely came to the USA from China via the Mexican cartels. You can figure China kills 50,000 Americans a year with fentanyl. That's war.

The Chinese see this as revenge for what the English did to them with opium.

But America is not England, and even fought a war against England for independence.

Don't think Americans weren't involved with the opium trade with China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company#Foundation

Ever seen the opium production of Afghanistan over the last 2 decades?



Gee, look at what US military occupation did..

That's part of the reason the US is actually in Afghanistan. The United States federal government is FULLY involved with the drug trade, all over the world, including the United States. Remember, the job of the intelligence agencies is to produce propaganda for the public, information for the government, and protect criminals within the government. That's why Hillary Clinton isn't going to jail, and Hunter Biden can smoke as much crack and get as many hookers as he pleases.

WookieMan says

No chance a jury convicts

The jury is 50% Black FWIW.

richwicks says

The United States federal government is FULLY involved with the drug trade, all over the world, including the United States.

Why? What's the point? The government which can pretty much print trillions in world reserve currency suddenly needs to be involved in low-tech narcotics production in some 3rd World shithole? Who buys all the poppy from the farmers? US Army? USDA? Who transports it? USAF? How much money are we talking about? Couple of billions? Three? How come not a single whistleblower has emerged in 20 years? Sounds extremely silly, like shit Russian TV likes to peddle.

PS. Meanwhile Russian diplomats were legit busted in Argentina transporting cocaine in diplomatic packages on Russian government plane. But lookie here, US is in Afghanistan and poppy is grown there too! It's not a coincidence! No Siree Bob!

There's a grim logic to CIA being involved in drugs, arms and human trafficking.

You can operate from one of two perspectives: human beings are good, they shouldn't use drugs or intoxicate themselves, they should not engage in unusual sex practices, and they shouldn't buy and use armaments to hurt or dominate each other. Laws should be based on outlawing and punishing these practices.

Or, you can operate from the 'original sin' perspective, that people will be as flawed and bad and immoral as you allow them to be, they will always use drugs and intoxicating substances relentlessly in spite of rigid punitive sanctions, they will always engage in unusual sex practices and sell sex, and they will always relentlessly seek armaments to harm and dominate their fellow man.

The problem is when you outlaw things that people will relentlessly do, you create huge profit centers for criminals who will sell the people what they want at inflated prices due to those things being illegal.

These criminals then create power centers that can challenge the government, and can damage currencies by holding large reserves of them, buy politicians, influence government, incite armed rebellions etc. etc. These adverse, well armed, well financed centers can have multiple heads.

There was a point when the American industrialists, financiers and intelligence agencies decided that these inevitable profits of vice should be captured by the State and themselves, because that would be a 'lesser evil' that would help preserve the government and keep their fingers on the pulse of criminals and rebels. You would not have these huge profits going to entities who could destabilize currencies, politics, the government, or the country.

So, they just whistled at the devil and decided to take over as much of these relentlessly inevitable enterprises as they could using government resources.

The problem is, you cannot enter these devil's bargains without becoming relentlessly corrupt, too, and that is where it stands. We traded an unofficial government by actual criminals for an official government of criminals. As far as the people are concerned, the end results are winding up the same.

CIA officers cannot be arrested, subjected to subpoena or charged with crimes. They have immunity and are often sheep dipped or operating under aliases. Yet, they are organizing and operating criminal networks, performing executions at will, and enlisting criminal co-conspirators who are NOT immune.

When they started the old 'war on drugs', the laws were presented as wearing the white hat. The laws were as much for the purpose of having a governmental instrument for trying and imprisoning the competitors of the intelligence agency drug sales, weapons deals, and trafficking, and for 'retiring' their own co-conspirators when they couldn't be relied upon any more or directly assassinated.

There are individuals who worked for the CIA drug trades who wound up imprisoned for their activities, when their CIA bosses were never touched.