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Patrick says

NuttBoxer says

where were you the last 20 fucking years while we devastated the Middle East?

Right, it's astounding how much some people suddenly care about Ukraine when they did not care at all about far worse events happening to other countries.

Agreed. There are people though who have made direct contact with Russian govt or lived there and either emigrated or fled, and for them it will always be the main evil due to the direct contact / consequences. So I can understand that (many Russian Jews fled the Soviet Union for example). Still the war in the Ukraine pales to what has been going on for the past 50 years, sponsored by US "intervention" aka meddling.

Ceffer says

Or the atrocious crap happening in our own country right under our noses with flagrant disregard.

We can't walk and chew gum at the same time? Many of our internal problems can be addressed with the upcoming midterm elections that will put the brakes on the Biden administration. We also have folks like Musk stepping up to break our corrupt Media stranglehold.

I totally get how some are skeptical and leery of getting involved in Ukraine. I think even the biggest US hawks are not suggesting we send US troops, rather we just provide the Ukrainian some arms to DEFEND themselves from being invaded by Russia.

What I don't get is the embarrassing and lavish praising and excuse making of Putin by many people on this board while they simultaneously ape Russian propaganda calling a Jew like Zalensky a Nazi and worse.

Its the same type of Chomsky/Commie/Islamist bullshit that blamed the US for 9/11 and all the world's ills since WWII.

socal2 says

What I don't get is the embarrassing and lavish praising and excuse making of Putin by many people on this board while they simultaneously ape Russian propaganda calling a Jew like Zalensky a Nazi and worse.

He's a corrupt puppet installed by the US after they overthrew the previous government. No need to call him anything else, better or worse. Likely beats a violent thug/invader overall, but comes at a steep price with all the xiden corruption. Also providing weapons to send Ukrainians to die is not a humanitarian good deed, some serious diplomacy is. Now if you're confident that it's only a matter of short time until the glorious victory over putin, feel free to make that call.

mell says

He's a corrupt puppet installed by the US after they overthrew the previous government.

Uh - wasn't that Yuschenko......the guy Putin infamously tried to murder with poison causing him major disfigurement? Then we had Poroshenko in power for 5+ years and then the Jewish comedian "Nazi" Zelensky defeated Poroshenko in 2019.

Which "previous" Russian puppet government are you talking about?

socal2 says

Which "previous" Russian puppet government are you talking about?

He didn't. He simply pointed out that Zelenskyy is a puppet. Once the US overthrows a government the only way they ever become free again is a revolution.

richwicks says

He didn't. He simply pointed out that Zelenskyy is a puppet. Once the US overthrows a government the only way they ever become free again is a revolution.

So where are all these pro Russian revolutionaries in Ukraine? What better time for a "revolution" to free themselves when Russia is busy killing thousands and targeting the Zelensky government? Where is the mass sabotage and protests in Ukraine supporting Russia?

What is YOUR evidence that the 2019 election of Zelensky was corrupt and the majority of Ukrainians prefer to live as a Russian puppet? Zelensky won with over 70% of the vote beating Poroshenko.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Which "previous" Russian puppet government are you talking about?

He didn't. He simply pointed out that Zelenskyy is a puppet. Once the US overthrows a government the only way they ever become free again is a revolution.

Agreed. Again, this doesn't mean that other govts don't try the same tactics, but the prior govt had been fairly elected per observers etc. Then the US color revolution and overthrow came, and let's not forget the forced firing of the prosecutor. Shady as fuck, speaking of fuck, victoria "fuck the eu" nuland. lol. Also, still trying to figure out what an "appropriate" number of Ukrainian deaths is before we start talks about independent/russian donbass and crimea and neutral Ukraine possibly put forth in a treaty. Of course we can just continue to send weapons and money we don't have and see what sticks.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Which "previous" Russian puppet government are you talking about?

He didn't. He simply pointed out that Zelenskyy

What the fuck does Zelensky has to do with Russia now wanting to invade Moldova?

Stay on topic, folks!

NuttBoxer says

Are you

The thread is not about users of this board. It's about justifications for Russia to now invade Moldova in addition to already ongoing invasion of Ukraine. We have so many experts on justifications for that invasion that it makes P.net a natural place to ask about the justification for the new one.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Eric Holder says

Did this happen in Moldova recently?

Who knows what is happening there?

With camera and microfone in every fucking toaster everybody knows what's happening everywhere.

NuttBoxer says

the Middle East

What the fuck the Middle East have to do with Moldova? We can have a separate thread for justifications of Middle East wars, but this one is for declared Russian intent to attack Moldova and justifications for it. Last time I checked Moldova was NOT in the Middle East.

Jeezus, can anyone carry a converationg without immediately resorting to whataboutism anymore?

socal2 says

So where are all these pro Russian revolutionaries in Ukraine?

Trying not to get killed by the Ukrainian government is my bet.

socal2 says

What better time for a "revolution" to free themselves when Russia is busy killing thousands and targeting the Zelensky government? Where is the mass sabotage and protests in Ukraine supporting Russia?

Not when if you don't pick the right side, they'll strip you nude, tie you to a street pole, and beat you half to death.

socal2 says

What is YOUR evidence that the 2019 election of Zelensky was corrupt and the majority of Ukrainians prefer to live as a Russian puppet?

Maybe the Ukrainians DO prefer a US puppet. Elections are just like ours are, the only fuckers that are allowed to run are controlled opposition. It's really Ihor Kolomoyskyi that is the nearest thing to a leader in Ukraine - he's appointed a bunch of "mayors" of various cities. That dumb fucker Mikheil Saakashvili was appointed mayor Odessa Oblast after he gave up being president CIA puppet twat of Georgia.

socal2 says

Zelensky won with over 70% of the vote beating Poroshenko.

Yep, and Biden is the most popular presidential candidate in all of US history, and Christopher Wray even said it was the most secure election ever.

I don't care what Ukraine does, I don't care what Russia does - but I'm fucking sick and tired of having my goddamned worthless piece of shit government involved in EVERYTHING except the United States. The "wall that was too expensive to build" between the US and Mexico - we just sent more fucking money to Ukraine.

Our enemies aren't in Russia, or Syria, or Iraq - they're right in fucking Washington DC. They are the largest threat to this nation and they ARTIFICIALLY create foreign enemies constantly because it's a good distraction from their own criminality, and I'm sick and tired of people falling for it.

https://rumble.com/embed/vhsj77/?pub=4

How fucking corrupt, how blatantly criminal do they fucking have to be before you start worrying about them instead of some fucking conflict they engineered on the other side of ht e planet? Do you fucking civic duty and be informed about this country.

Soo, nobody dares to take a stab at the multiple choice in the OP? =))

PS. My answer is ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

socal2 says

Which "previous" Russian puppet government are you talking about?

He didn't. He simply pointed out that Zelenskyy

What the fuck does Zelensky has to do with Russia now wanting to invade Moldova?

Stay on topic, folks!

You're correct - but the topic was shifted earlier somehow. I do not have enough info on Moldova as a whole, but we're likely talking about a specific "breakaway" region Transdniestria that has a Russian support within and backing, somewhat similar to donbass. I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova, it would be def as wrong as the current war in the Ukraine, but if a breakaway region wants independence we do have to listen, remember Yugoslavia/Serbia/Kosovo. It's our own "fuck the treaties" policy. Now we do not know how much of that separatist enclave is organic.

mell says

I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova,

One of his generals clearly declared the intent.

Eric Holder says

mell says

I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova,

One of his generals clearly declared the intent.

This is a problem for the United States in what way?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

mell says

I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova,

One of his generals clearly declared the intent.

This is a problem for the United States in what way?

I don't know. How about the multiple choice in the OP? Gonna take a stab at it?

mell says

Kosovo

Kosovo is a somewhat special case because of the genocide which happened there, making it impossible for them to stay in the same contry as their killers.

BTW, neither Ukraine nor Moldova have recognized Kosovo independence, IIRC, so punishing Moldova for US recognition of Kosovo looks somewhat misplaced.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

mell says

I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova,

One of his generals clearly declared the intent.

This is a problem for the United States in what way?

I don't know. How about the multiple choice in the OP? Gonna take a stab at it?

I was asking a rhetorical question - it doesn't matter at all to the United States what Russia does to Maldova. It is ONLY being used to start up another Cold War which is all Ukraine is about. Stupid suckers are easy to control.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

mell says

I don't know if Putin is invading Moldova,

One of his generals clearly declared the intent.

This is a problem for the United States in what way?

I don't know. How about the multiple choice in the OP? Gonna take a stab at it?

I dont want to take a stab at the stupid question from the OP. Duran guys says its UKraine which initiated the attack on tranista. And it started after US minister reached "kyiv". So he should be questioning why does US want to screw up whole world so that they can be sole superpower.

RWSGFY says

Now that Russia clearly stated the intent to attack Moldova I need expert's input on why this would be justified:

Why does it have to be justified?

Eric Holder says

mell says

Kosovo

Kosovo is a somewhat special case because of the genocide which happened there, making it impossible for them to stay in the same contry as their killers.

BTW, neither Ukraine nor Moldova have recognized Kosovo independence, IIRC, so punishing Moldova for US recognition of Kosovo looks somewhat misplaced.

There is no proof that any genocide was going on, aside from expulsions and incarcerations, so you can call it terror or political persecution and imprisonment, which we do have every day in plenty of countries, including Western ones. The UN claimed that there had been a "systematic campaign of terror". So by that logic the US has to believe and do everything the UN says, right, because our opinion of the UN is mightily high - not. In fact the "rescue" bombings may have killed more people than the "ethnic cleansing", incl. many kosovo refugees. The displacement numbers were certainly huge, estimated around 1 million, but that wasn't before a kosovo independence army, fueled by weapons smuggling and other shady shit, decided that it's fuck Yugoslavia. There were no innocent parties in this conflict.

Eric Holder says

mell says

Kosovo

Kosovo is a somewhat special case because of the genocide which happened there, making it impossible for them to stay in the same contry as their killers.

BTW, neither Ukraine nor Moldova have recognized Kosovo independence, IIRC, so punishing Moldova for US recognition of Kosovo looks somewhat misplaced.

Any genocide in Kosovo didn't occur until after NATO bombing. The KLA was a CIA engineered army to further break up any remains of the former FRY.

socal2 says

Its the same type of Chomsky/Commie/Islamist bullshit that blamed the US for 9/11 and all the world's ills since WWII.

So you think the Twin Towers really collapsed from fire? That building 7 wasn't demo'd? That the surviving passport wasn't planted? That the owners insurance changes to cover himself financially before the collapse isn't odd? That the Pentagon being hit by a plane with zero video of it is legit? That the department that was hit being the same department that just that week had announced 18 trillion dollars were missing is just coincidence? That Epstein's painting of Bush is just artistic expression?

I mean if you believe in all that, I'm guessing you'll never blame our government for anything, ever.

socal2 says

What I don't get is the embarrassing and lavish praising and excuse making of Putin by many people on this board while they simultaneously ape Russian propaganda calling a Jew like Zalensky a Nazi and worse.

I've asked this before, and it turned out the person making this claim exaggerated what people here were saying. Maybe you can provide some better quotes to show this praise. Also, never seen anyone call Zalensky a Nazi. Corrupt fascist, US puppet, but not Nazi.

socal2 says

while they simultaneously ape Russian propaganda

Today, every fucking lie of our government is called "Russian propaganda". Every single fucking lie of them.

The label has no meaning but you insist on using it.

Russia has no need or reason to disseminate "Russian propaganda" to the United States just as the United States had no need to disseminate US propaganda to the USSR 40 years ago. 40 years ago, all the US had to do in order to destabilize and attack the USSR was tell the truth about the USSR.

Well, shoe is on the other foot now.

Russia didn't have to make up 25 biological weapons labs out of thin air. They didn't have to make up Hunter Biden's laptop, they didn't have to make up Biden's corrupt dealings in Ukraine. They don't have to fabricate a fucking thing when the government, the intelligence agencies, the DOJ, the MILITARY are entirely corrupt, through and through.

But our government sure has to lie, and they lie a lot. "Russia hacked our election!" remember? Whose dumb, stupid, easily seen through propaganda is that? Russian?

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mostly reader says

richwicks says

I don't care what Russia does...

This is when all who's been following you have a good laugh. You have your tongue so far up Putin's asshole that his butt hair is tingling your tonsils.

What does this even mean?

You constantly post nonsense because I don't believe the bullshit of our lying government and frequently point out how my government has lied. I don't see why this would infuriate you but it does. You're irrational. You embrace lies, and you're infuriated when other people don't.

richwicks says

What does this even mean?

I'll wait until you achieve enlightenment. It may take time because your tongue looks stuck, but I'm in no rush.
richwicks says

...I don't believe the bullshit of our lying government.

Instead, you promote the bullshit of ANOTHER lying and murderous government. You don't just BELIEVE it (which is unnecessary for a troll). You PROMOTE it.
Putin's government lies on entirely different level. They just invent bullshit. Then propaganda trolls such as yourself spread it onto smaller channels such as this one.

He is trying to point out that sometimes foreign governments are even more evil than ours.

He does not care one whit about what you think about our government, only what your beliefs should be towards the Russian government.

Misc says

He is trying to point out that sometimes foreign governments are even more evil than ours.

He does not care one whit about what you think about our government, only what your beliefs should be towards the Russian government.

It would've been accurate a while ago, when I entertained a possibility that he's an honest (albeit misguided) agent. I no longer believe in that. There were multiple tells. Now I just smack him every once in a while.

Misc says

He is trying to point out that sometimes foreign governments are even more evil than ours.

So what? I don't live under those governments. Their evil isn't my problem unless they attack my nation. North Korea is a far more evil country than the United States, should we go to fucking war over it? No. China is a more evil country than my country or Russia? Should we go to war with them?

Misc says

He does not care one whit about what you think about our government, only what your beliefs should be towards the Russian government.

Why should I care about Russia's government? I'm more concerned that the United States is sending a bunch of bribery money to Ukraine, calling it "aid", and then feeding it back to themselves to solidify power.

That's a problem for me and every American.

Russia didn't lie about Trump, but Alex Vindman did. He's US military officer, a liar, a Ukrainian, and a traitor to the United States. Ukraine was heavily involved with the "Russian Collusion" lie, but more than that, I want to avoid another FUCKING Cold War - it's just a way of pilfering money, and I really really want to avoid a 4th world war, because we're fucked if we go to that.

Idiots don't realize this. Stupid people don't have the where with all to fucking think about consequences. I'm 50, doesn't really matter that much if I die in a nuclear Armageddon, but it matters to a 10 year old.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

What does this even mean?

I'll wait until you achieve enlightenment.

Haha - it's always a waste of time to try to expect you to employ reason or to talk.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

...I don't believe the bullshit of our lying government.

Instead, you promote the bullshit of ANOTHER lying and murderous government.

Like what "bullshit do I promote of another lying government"?

Quote me.

I'm tired of you lying all the time.

richwicks says

Russia didn't lie about Trump, but Alex Vindman did. He's US military officer, a liar, a Ukrainian, and a traitor to the United States.

Oh, how cute to bring up Vindman who's US military officer, but hey, he's "Ukrainian". Guilty by association, propaganda 101.

Russia doing post-Bucha (*) damage control through scum such as yourself is less cute.

* - Bucha is notorious because it was the first one to hit headlines. Other cities that fell under Orcs had it about the same, some worse.

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mostly reader says

richwicks says

Quote me.

You are a liar and a propaganda troll.

Again, you claim I promote Russian propaganda:

mostly reader says

richwicks says

...I don't believe the bullshit of our lying government.

Instead, you promote the bullshit of ANOTHER lying and murderous government.

Demonstrate I've ever done this. I'm tired of you lying. I'm going to keep dragging you back to this question, and that's it. You are not worth engaging with because you have no regard for truth or honesty. I don't see anything respectable about that.

richwicks says

Demonstrate I've ever done this.

Just recently, you promoted Rashists lies (thoroughly debunked lies) that Bucha was caused by Ukrainians. Fuck you for that by the way. Will you deny it, or will you bid time by asking that I find exact quote?

This ^ was a copy/paste from my PRIOR response to you. "mostly writer" can't read?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

Demonstrate I've ever done this.

Just recently, you promoted Rashists lies (thoroughly debunked lies) that Bucha was caused by Ukrainians. Fuck you for that by the way. Will you deny it, or will you bid time by asking that I find exact quote?

Find the exact quote.

What "rashist lies"?

Bucha probably WAS done by the Ukrainians. I have videos of people form the area claiming that was done. Who knows if they are telling the truth? No strategic advantage for the Russians to do it but when every male from 18 to 60 is being conscripted to fight for Ukraine they have a reason - it's fight and risk death, or refuse and die certainly.

Again: Exact quote.

mostly reader says

This ^ was a copy/paste from my PRIOR response to you. "mostly writer" can't read

Provide link to my post. You're not much worth reading. I'm just going to point out when you lie, which is often when I bother to deal with it.

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Here are a few major factors motivating Putin and his Kremlin entourage.

Its a strategic land grab so they can stage the Russian military further west closer to NATO. It extends a buffer zone between NATO and the Russian border.

Economic gain in the long run by having confiscated valuable land like farm land, etc.

Appeal to Russian population about expanding Russian control and preserving the Russian culture

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