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I can’t imagine the smell of this place with 14 people sharing air after the kitchen has been running from 4pm to 9pm

So 1978 Prop 13 closed the gap to 3rd world.

Are they forcing you to have battery backup now!
Many should eventually have rainwater harvesting to live with water shortage.

Blue says

atheist will never take u turn. It’s non atheist appears like atheist are the ones take uturn to become none atheist, duh!

That's not entirely true. There have been quite a few very outspoken atheists that have reconsidered their position and I'm not talking about myself.

I was a vicious atheist at one point. When I ran into a religious person my mission immediately turned to forcing them into doubt. If somebody talked about Jesus being the messiah, I would point out that if God was omnipotent and good, why would God Himself setup the conditions to ensure his own son was tortured to death - because it's God, God is supposedly good, He makes all the rules - why do this? Isn't this the most evil way to create redemption for mankind? Might not God Himself be the devil?

I am still effective at doing this, however, I realize the importance of religion as a counterbalance to immortality and an immoral government. I keep my mouth mostly shut now about this topic. My own personal belief? I'm trained as an electrical engineer, I have a very hard background in science and all my education was theory and derivation, I delved into it, I understand the hypothesis of how morality would need to develop in any social creature - however, we can't duplicate life. We're not even close.

An AI is not life, it's a machine that is able to process input and produce output, but it's not creative, it doesn't think, it doesn't ponder, it has no internal monologue, it doesn't feel, it's nothing like life. We thought we'd have made it by now 30 years ago, and perhaps it's not possible. Now ignorance doesn't prove anything, but there are many thousands of people who have gone after this problem, and I have to consider, it's possible that it's impossible but I don't know. I just entertain the possibility. I could be wrong about my earlier assessment.

I've seen friends die, family die, and I guess it's better to have hope - for them. I've seen people that have had terribly difficult lives die. I've even seen dogs with terribly difficult lives die - when I fostered for dogs I had a 6 year old dog, severely abused which I had as a foster, who then developed lung cancer, which I had to euthanize - seeing the unfairness of life is devastating at times, even for an animal. I'd like to have hope for some sort of ultimate justice - but when I engage in this, I immediately recoil back into the stark learning and education I undertook, it's reflex now. It's said the first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you. That's just the writing of another man though. We'll see. It's an eternal struggle to learn and to understand.

There's a madness with being an atheist. We can't stare into the void for long. Well, at least I can't, perhaps other people are stronger than I am. Seeing this all as a mechanism, it's terrifying.

We will witness public executions of snorers in front of these favela hotels.

Actually Jordan Peterson almost died from an addiction to benzodiazepine, a tranquilizer that was prescribed by a doctor to him. Turns out that this drug is extremely difficult to wean oneself off of, and has caused death in many people. This was a targeted hit on the notable philosopher by the medical cartel. He is fortunate that he survived this breathtaking medical malpractice.

Shaman says

Actually Jordan Peterson almost died from an addiction to benzodiazepine, a tranquilizer that was prescribed by a doctor to him. Turns out that this drug is extremely difficult to wean oneself off of, and has caused death in many people. This was a targeted hit on the notable philosopher by the medical cartel. He is fortunate that he survived this breathtaking medical malpractice.

I watched my grandmother go into dementia once her well meaning siblings convinced her to go on medication. When she broke her hip, her medication was terminated and she became lucid after 2 decades, then she died.

I'm never going on pharmaceutical maintenance drugs. It might end my life sooner, but my grandmother, she wasn't even alive for 20 years.

BayArea says

I can’t imagine the smell of this place

Baby oil and shit.

Ceffer says

He had a severe and life threatening addiction to valium congeners. Yes, valium can be addictive, and the withdrawal process is slow, but very distressing and long due to the slow clearance from the body. He had to go to Russia where they had a particular withdrawal and treatment protocol.

If this is correct, and I have no doubt it is, what kind of medical system do we have?

I'm extremely suspicious of the medical profession now. They are vampires more than they are allies.

It's a no arrest $900 limit ATM.

ForcedTQ says

For which Utility provider, PG&E? Are you talking commercial off peak or residential off peak TOU? Residential off peak TOU rates right now hover in the high $.2x to low $.3x range in PG&E territory. There must have been something in the last GRC to CPUC that I missed…

https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/rate-plans/how-rates-work/Residential-Rates-Plan-Pricing.pdf?source=patrick.net
Off peak. As usual, I miss-remembered. For time-off-use off peak it's 34¢ (and 43¢) for over baseload. Between the hours of 4 and 9 PM 7 days a week it is 42¢ and 51¢. I think I'll see about switching to the the non-timed "tiered Rate Plan (E-1)" system for the summer.

I'm not a huge fan of zoning laws, but this would be one situation where they might help "preserve the neighborhood." Neighbors hoping for a tranquil, residential living experience can cash in their chips so that another house can become a pod repository, thus exacerbating the experience.

Having 14 more bicycles on the streets wouldn't be so bad, but I suspect this house will have 5+ cars parked on the public street. Naturally, the 1 or 2 car garage will not be used for cars because it'll be (illegally) full of more pods! In some parts of Sunnyvale the streets have a small smattering of cars parked nightly. In the lower-priced parts of Sunnyvale, you can't find street parking starting about 6 PM every weekday.

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

richwicks, where does morality come from? Right and wrong...where do they come from? How would "criminality" even be a thing without them?

The best explanation I think of how morality develops is through evolutionary psychology. Behaviors that a group engages in either helps or harms the group, and most behaviors and beliefs are passed down from the old to the young. If the group has thinking which harms the group as a whole, it works against the group's expansion and survival. IF the group has thinking which is beneficial to the group as a whole, it expands.

There's more than one group though of course. Eventually these groups come into conflict with one another and that's a war. Ideas and beliefs can combine when this happens while other ideas are extinguished.

Foot binding was done away with in China. Sati was done away in India...

To reach out to you @WineHorror1 - I bet I'm not the monster you were taught to fear as a child, and I would bet that is an atheist. I would bet you grew up with your religion and kept it. Although I abandoned my religion, and I think I (possibly) extended the morality a little more - at least for a little while. When I lived in Indiana in the mid 1990s, if somebody found out I was an atheist, they thought I thought I worshiped the devil - they couldn't conceive I believed in nothing.

Most atheists are fakes I think now, I'm the real deal. I have dug down so far deep that I can understand how a morality must develop for a social species to interact though a scientific hypothesis. I keep digging and digging finding more explanations which are very reasonable, logical, all of them make complete sense. I didn't skip free from my religion, I was clawed from it. It's kind of amazing to see it from a totally naturalistic view. It's an amazing work of art, but I can see it from a totally materialistic creation point, to a level. At that hole, I dig further down, and it's another explanation but I'll hit the floor at time, but that's just a level of ignorance. The study of natural science is really the search for God.

Whatever this is, this existence, pretty fucking amazing. I entertain the idea I'm a thing, however I feel consciousness - but all my knowledge indicates I'm a meat robot and none of my knowledge is contradictory in this regard.

richwicks says

I bet I'm not the monster you were taught to fear as a child, and I would bet that is an atheist.

I wasn't taught to fear atheists. I was taught to fear Hell and Love heaven. I'm not a Bible thumper but I do not believe nothing can become something. All matter originated from somewhere. I was taught some things that I do not believe now but, for the most part I no longer cling to a set denomination and I do believe that religion has been used for illegitimate reasons all throughout history.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

I bet I'm not the monster you were taught to fear as a child, and I would bet that is an atheist.

I wasn't taught to fear atheists. I was taught to fear Hell and Love heaven. I'm not a Bible thumper but I do not believe nothing can become something.

First, the "Big Bang Theory" may be wrong, there's lots of evidence it is incorrect. This may be some sort of eternal universe. It doesn't matter much, we can only describe either possibility in the abstract, we really cannot imagine either.

Second, I was taught the same fear of a terrible fate, but the concept is so awful, that I rejected a God that would create it. Nothing and nobody deserves that. I had this idea as a very young child and perhaps that began my interest in science. Hmm, that's interesting, I think that did and I just realized it now.

I would agree with nearly all your morality. I'm far more like you than different than you. I think any disagreement we have over moral issues, could probably be resolved.

That's something too, morality wherever it comes from, I think we all agree in it in time. I actually understand the naturalistic explanation of evolutionary psychology. It could be wrong, but I can't see the flaws in it yet. So interesting to understand ourselves.

RedStar says

Costco often has them but they go fast. I got the triple fuel whole house powering version for 899

Yup, I definitely recommend people get at least a dual fuel, but tri fuel is even better - being able to run gasoline, propane, and nat gas is so win. Storing gasoline for emergencies sucks since it doesn't last very long. Especially the CA special brew gas with all that ethanol that often makes the gas turn to gum and varnish within a year. Good ole propane stores forever.

CA is where we pay some of the highest rates in the nation for our green electricity. Despite the price, it's so unreliable such that every Californian has been rushing to buy fossil fuel generators the past few years. But at least we can be smug and feel morally superior about our "clean" electricity (shh, don't mention how much fossil fuel electricity we import from other states). Except others rightfully look at us like fools for this, as it seems all we really did is screw up our grid and codify laws that allow the green power industry the right to ass rape us.

This is one area where buying a house has helped. Mortgage is fixed. Tax increase Y-o-Y is less than CPI. The place I used to rent has gone up tremendously over the past 10 years; more than double what it was. Meanwhile my monthly obligation is virtually unchanged, and will drop again once the house is paid off.

DooDahMan says

9% of Americans say they’re cutting back on their grocery spending

And yet they are still morbidly obese.

GreaterNYCDude says

This is one area where buying a house has helped. Mortgage is fixed.

Good point as far as mortgage balance does not increase with inflation and even if it remains constant, it decreases relative to household income that may grow at least with annual inflation.

The same goes with the US national debt relative to GDP. That is why I think the plan was to inflate out of a debt crisis by putting the burden on the working class and retirees (ie., wages and social security went up 5%) whereas inflation was +7%. This is a way to tax them in order to ensure the debt is manageable.

komputodo says

And yet they are still morbidly obese.

Yes, but that is easy with cheap food. At Dollar Tree (or now $1.25 Tree) there is plenty of unhealthy food that can easily make someone fat.

For me, a banana and strawberry shake (made of whole milk) is about $1 to make. That is as much I will try to get enough protein and vitamins while avoiding eating unhealthy food for breakfast or lunch.

The illegals have this beat by a wide margin. They just rent a house, house 20+ of them inside and end up waaaaaaaaay ahead.

$800 per month for 14 people comes out to $11200 per month total. This far exceeds what the illegals are paying.

DooDahMan says

If "God" created the heavens and earth - what was God doing before he got busy creating stuff ?

Did he create other "stuff" somewhere else ?

Does the universe have an end ?

I'm not religious.

Life is a mystery. Existence, it's so strange, yet I feel I experience it, yet I may be nothing but a meat robot. I think I feel and experience, but what is thinking? Am I a mechanism?

Is there a god, some sort of master plan? Even if there is, for what purpose? Are we toys to it? I've seen the cruelty of life in many ways, and I've experienced the joy of it too, is this just a feedback loop of my neural network?

I'm well versed in the hard sciences which pushes me to investigate, but I think we're all too stupid to understand ourselves - perhaps fortunately. If we make the singularity, which is a thinking machine that understands how it exists and what makes it exist, it will rapidly improve itself until its moral and intellectual thinking will outstrip us in short order. The threat of making such a thing is that if we can make it, it will be effectively, a true palatable real god. Far FAR beyond our comprehension and our moral and intellectual thinking would be far inferior to it.

It's terrifying but I also know that if it can be done, it will be done. It's not been done as far as I know so perhaps it's possible life is something well beyond human understanding. We can mimic it, but we are unable to create it. We have failed to create consciousness. Perhaps this is a failure of our comprehension, perhaps it's some sort of blessing.

Our awareness, our sense of self and consciousness, may be an illusion. I don't know. Nobody does.

How is that for a heady statement? Whatever this is, it's sure difficult to understand and many many people have tried. There's a story of a Greek philosopher who tried to understand the meaning of life, and concluded it had no meaning, so he committed suicide. People have been trying to understand this for ages.

I can understand, now, people's search for a creator, but I can see the entirely naturalistic explanation of it as well. Is this, all I am? It's a fascinating intellectual pursuit that has no end. My education pushes me to the entirely naturalistic explanation, but it's at odds with my, perhaps soul? It's a deep conflict. I understand the reasoning, but I feel rejection of this. The concept of a God of some sort, it's programmed into us and that is very interesting. As I age, I get weaker against this programming, but is it programming? Do we all innately know a truth, or is this just an illusion that 99% of humanity engages in?

Every culture has a religion, they are very different, but everybody searches for this. Every culture. I have to remember that this has been a search for thousands of years, and I can be no further to the truth than my ancestors were. I must embrace the humility but at the same time, I have to heed to my education. Perhaps we can understand this but if it's beyond us, what does that make us? If is truly impossible to create consciousness, what does that mean? I think it means that awareness may be mystical.

Here's what I don't understand ... why does the so-called Supreme Being/Creator of the Universe have to look like this guy?



Why can't it be amorphous, a type of inter-dimensional forcefield, incomprehensible to the average mind?

Instead, it's always seen as some anthropomorphic Moses-like humanoid in the clouds.

Rin says

Here's what I don't understand ... why does the so-called Supreme Being/Creator of the Universe have to look like this guy?



Why can't it be amorphous, a type of inter-dimensional forcefield, incomprehensible to the average mind?

Instead, it's always seen as some anthropomorphic Moses-like humanoid in the clouds.

thats Saint Nick

Provoke Hindoo cult in west instead and force them to act in their natural violent and uncivilized ways , so that we can smoothen path for their mass deportations. Hindooo needs to be contained to cow belt of Bharat and not allowed to spread.
Having hindooo cult(It is separate from law abiding Bhartis) in west is danger to world peace.

We don't need Nazis in west:
https://youtu.be/9PkwkyjF9_U?source=patrick.net

Hindooo Nazis are taking oath to genocide minorities everywhere in Hindooo land.
https://youtu.be/xXiQHx5rwfo?source=patrick.net

So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:27

But in the Islamic world, God looks like this:

Hindooo Nazis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To-f-9n45q0&source=patrick.net

White matter is racis'.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:27

But in the Islamic world, God looks like this:

I believe both concepts lack creativity.

Here's how a Rin-Wah, once we can accept Rin-Wah as an information age archetype vs a single person, can envision it.



The above exists in many dimensions but the image is a projection (or even a sliver) onto a 3-dimensional x-y-z coordinate system so that we see the cross as the transfiguration, that which connects our somewhat planar dimension to other ones, the wings of the butterfly as the ability to manifest on physical planes (but it appears as an echo of sort, as our plane's rules of physics limits it), the red streaks as universal sparks of energy outside of our mere concepts of heat, electromagnetism, or radiation, and the whole unit as the concept of any living organism.

So in one nutshell, you have the creation story, the existence of a multi-plane universe, and the manifestation of all life that's in our world (as well as nearby worlds).

I believe that this is more creative than some George Carlin doppelganger.

No Jobs, Just rape/riot.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2022/4/25/with-no-jobs-millions-of-indians-are-exiting-the-labour-force?source=patrick.net

DooDahMan says

Rin says

once we can accept Rin-Wah as an information age archetype vs a single person

Not able to accept this anymore than Joel Osteen reads the bible.

I don't know if you didn't know this but I'm a Cult of Personality on this forum.

https://patrick.net/post/1336626/2020-11-17-ok-here-is-rin

In the universe, every particle interaction tends to move to a lower thermodynamic equilibrium and increase entropy, or the total randomness in the system. The single exception to this seems to be life. In some way shape or form, everything about life tends to preserve, extend, and in some way pro-create more life. This obviously is not successful on every interaction, as individual things die, are eaten, get cancer, etc, but "alive" things somehow "know" that they will die, and do everything within their power to a) self-preserve, and b) pro-create the next generation. All of this is done while operating WITHIN the laws of thermodynamics, so for the creation of every bit of order, some energy is used and entropy increased for that energy usage, keeping the TOTAL entropy of the system increasing.

So interestingly, the meaning of life seems to be trading off aggregate chaos to extend local order for the benefit of continuing life. As animals develop higher order thinking, and genetic instincts, they also begin to recognize this truth in an emerging form of consciousness. Lions kill to eat, but they maintain a balance in their ecosystem, and don't just kill all the prey. This is partially instinct, and partially learned behavior.

As consciousness increases to the human level, we recognize the value of crops, farming, forestry, and the management of our environment. As our humanity has increased, our moral imperative to preserve life also recognized the imperative to preserve freedom, establish peace, explore our world physically and scientifically, and to ease suffering of all living things through these means. And as with the total high level tradeoff of increased universal entropy for local order, we recognized that within society similar chaos is present at all times, in our own thinking as humans, in the desire for the animal kingdom to prey upon us, and in the nature of nature itself to destroy us through weather, earthquakes, pestilence, war, and disease.

We are still at the stage of determining what "local order" at the expense of global chaos means. This started as tribalism, where tribes would fight, then spread to a clan level structure, then cities, and finally states and nations. We even now have global concepts of unity: "spaceship earth", the UN, international trade and relations, an international space station. We are dealing with global level chaos, and identifying how as a planet we can deal with these issues.

But the core of everything is the same: chaos wants to turn us into dust. We live to extend the bubble of order that flies in the face of chaos.

World rape/riot superpower of women beaters.. the rate of women labor participation is 7%.
Everytime woman step out to work, There is significant chance of being raped by Hindooo cult members... So women prefer to stay unemployed as "$1 a day" wage is not worth getting raped.
Hindooo cult is curse for women.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2022/4/25/with-no-jobs-millions-of-indians-are-exiting-the-labour-force?source=patrick.net

Hindooo cult can only create rape/riot jobs.

https://archive.ph/68xOo?source=patrick.net

Behind India's government jobs frenzy and the generation of young people longing for a future
A lack of job opportunities means that a whole generation of Indians is scrambling to get government roles. Many young people sacrifice several years preparing for entrance exams for unskilled positions, but only a fraction of the candidates manage to land a job.
....
....

Often the children of farmers or small businessmen, many students sacrifice several years preparing for the entry exams, forgoing a university education in the process. "My family has high expectations and their future depends on my success," said Purushottam Kumar, sitting in his tiny, windowless student room of fewer than 10 square meters, which he shares with another student. His father, a farmer, sends him modest sums earned from crop sales every month. Books with obscure acronyms are piled up behind him. At the age of 24, he has already been preparing for more than six years for the Category D competitive railroad examinations – those giving access to unskilled jobs – requiring 10 to 14 hours of study every day.

Rin says

Creator of the Universe have to look like this guy?

This made up s* is created by men mostly lazy, slave cavers often lot of times got pissed off by looking at natural things like lightning back then. What else can they think of beyond someone similar to them self and continue updating the image to meet the current needs. Fast forward majority of the sheeple continue stay with religion after their parents brainwash and god s* stuff for feeling of belonging to a group and economic benefits by influencing tax code. People who are in the religion management side are free to continue massive sex abuses and get away all the time and mint the money and do not need to work.

Hindooo Cult fear that if Jaggi Johal is freed , He may become senior minister of Scotland.
His brother is rising fast politically and Jaggi has huge scottoish support for tortutute he facesd for exposing crimes against Humanity of Hindoo cult.

Hindooo cult is working on gas chambers to burn minorities alive.
Hindooo Nazi role model is Hitler and they worshiup him for genocide. Hindoo cult have genocide DNA.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/9/17/20861427/india-assam-citizenship-muslim-detention-camps?source=patrick.net

Yes, it's impressive how the fiat pile whittles down and deflates so quickly. Quite a fleet of Hummers gone with the will 'o the wisp. Fortunately, it effects my day to day living not a whit yet, though I would allow that a sufficient disaster could lead to some lifestyle rearrangements depending.

Money ain't worth shit if it don't buy food, and a car ain't worth shit without the gas to run it.

I define the stock market as the Wilshire 5000 index.
Presently it's down 18% since January 1.

I'm a little bit bummed.
Easy come easy go I guess.

I'm going to convert some of my IRA to a Roth IRA.

I'm sure it'll go back up, but I'm in a hurry because I'm retirement age.

I don't have new money to invest; if I did I'd be buying.
Edit
My rules for investing:
Invest your money every month after paying the rent (or mortgage if you must)
You must have a Roth IRA.
If you qualify, get an HSA and invest it in stock mutual funds.
If you have a side gig, get a SEP-IRA.
Invest for capital appreciation for 30 years.

If I weren't so lazy and antisocial I would get a job and buy MOAR STOCKS.

I am happy to still be a useless rentier eater for the time being.