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Time for a cool change, out with Budweiser and with the new.


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2023 Apr 7, 8:59am   29,763 views  338 comments

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Across the redneck nation there are calls for a new official beer of Rural America. Butwiper really dropped the ball and screwed the pooch on this one.
I suggest Becks or St Paulie Girl, as both of those are under $12 a 12 pack these days. Where has Butwiper has been pushing the boundaries to how much they could charge for their Cultural Grog. I wouldn't mind seeing Shiner Boc become a huge national brand with a wider distribution than it currently has. Though when I do find it at the Publix here in South Florida, it's around $10.99 or more, for a 6pack. Even Guiness is a dollar cheaper than that on average.

I heard some chime in telling everyone to support their local craft beer brewers. I have never EVER had one single beer from a craft brewer that tasted anything like a old traditional beer recipe. And that's very important to me. I don't want off tastes, and hints of herbs, berries, citrus, or your Xer's vag yeast. Whart ever the fuck they put in there!

The problem I have with local craft beers, they have no respect for the traditional tried and true methods, and just brew a proper Lager, Pilsner, Ale, or Stout. They always have some untraditional ingredients in there, that makes it taste like crap, while they give a cute flavor name, which taste nothing like they suggest. Plus you can factor a good 40% of the cost of their beer goes into their packaging and marketing efforts. They claim they are craft beers, but they are trying like hell to be a major distributor at the expense of not focusing on a product worthy of such hullabaloo. And if I'm at a one more party and there's nothing left in the beer cooler but 9 seltzer fizzy beer, or sour IPAs in the cooler. I'm going loose my mind. Who brings these nasty beers, then proceeds to drink the hosts honest real beers? Nobody likes your soda beer, and IPA leave that crap at home. Who ever is doing that!

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174   WookieMan   2023 Apr 25, 10:02am  

AmericanKulak says

Same will happen with Bud Light. There's already a wave decades old of drinking less but better beer. The Bud Light shit will only accelerate the decline of large macrobrewery pisswater. It's yet another reason for people not to buy.

I'm not a fan boy. I'm just saying Bud Light, Coors Light and Miller Light are the big 3 of cheap tavern beers. It's not going anywhere. It's at every non-craft beer bar. If you don't want an IPA or Stout it's a go to if they don't have the others. This is a vocal minority thing. It was the dumbest possible marketing move, but it will iron itself out. I don't see Gillette style losses long term.

This a Coke versus Pepsi discussion really. If you prefer one you're probably going to stick with it. They make a bad marketing decision, you probably stick with it if you like it. Again, not a fan of Bud Light, I just don't think it's as big a deal as the minority is making it out to be. They fucked up. No one really cares. I've easily seen 100 friends and peers since this happened. No one actually cares outside of again a vocal minority.

Bigger battles to fight instead of beer marketing if I'm being honest.
175   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 25, 10:41am  

I'm in San Diego till the summer, then mostly only back on weekends as I'll be in Arizona. If you guys want to get together, let me know.
176   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 25, 10:45am  

PeopleUnited says

but I find the higher ABV tends to have more flavor. Lower ABV often tastes watery or lacks fullness.


Probably more to do with style. Lower alcohol beers are usually Lagers, Pale Ales, Pilsner's, summer beers, session beers. Meant to be light, refreshing, and not filling.

In contrast a Belgium is usually double digits, and almost like a meal in itself. Although I will say one of the best beers I've ever had was 3.2 percent. Kind of ordered by mistake when I was at Stone. New York brewery. Really outstanding flavor.
177   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 25, 10:49am  

Tenpoundbass says

I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.


I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA, it will still have the same body and flavor, just dark.
Alcohol is created as the yeast eats the sugars during the fermentation period. So the longer you ferment, the higher the content. but you have to be careful as too high kills the yeast, and fucks up the flavor. I think this is a common problem with a lot of high alcohol beers where I just taste the alcohol, not the beer. A great San Diego beer that never makes this mistake is Speedway Stout from Alesmith. Clocks in around 12-13%, never taste a drop of alcohol, just a great beer, especially if you like coffee flavor(they use local beans).
178   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 25, 10:34pm  

Sorry for badtube, but a great parody song for Budweiser.

To the tune of "What a Night"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqeRMRmoxs
179   richwicks   2023 Apr 25, 11:02pm  

NuttBoxer says


I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA,


What? What is dark to you.

All IPA's I've had I'd consider "dark". They are certainly darker than any pilsner.

How do I explain it when I don't know where you live? I'm in CommieFornie, I don't think you can get the same IPA I can easily buy.

Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome - and fuck anybody that doesn't realize it. The bread (Injera) must be sour, but if they can do that, the rest of it is pretty good. It's similar to northern Indian food, and if you don't like that, fuck you - you have no taste for excellence.

I trade off longevity for experience.
180   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 26, 6:13am  

NuttBoxer says

I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.

I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA, it will still have the same body and flavor, just dark.

You mistook what I meant, I'm saying those beers I described with higher ABV have a complex taste, because of the other ingredients.
I don't think the higher Alcohol content alone does it. My proof with Bud Platinum that is a rice beer, it amplifies everything that is shitty about Budweiser. ..
I'm arguing with you, but making your point in a round about way. Perhaps it makes good beer better, and bad beer shittier.
181   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 26, 6:15am  

richwicks says

Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome


Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.
182   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 26, 7:48am  

richwicks says

What? What is dark to you.

All IPA's I've had I'd consider "dark". They are certainly darker than any pilsner.

How do I explain it when I don't know where you live? I'm in CommieFornie, I don't think you can get the same IPA I can easily buy.

Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome - and fuck anybody that doesn't realize it. The bread (Injera) must be sour, but if they can do that, the rest of it is pretty good. It's similar to northern Indian food, and if you don't like that, fuck you - you have no taste for excellence.

I trade off longevity for experience.


I'm not talking in subtleties, black IPA. Same color as a stout or porter. I live in San Diego, the beer capital of the United States. I can get almost anything.

I've had Ethiopian food. Used to live in an area with a lot of Africans. Not my favorite(the food).
183   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 26, 7:56am  

Tenpoundbass says

You mistook what I meant, I'm saying those beers I described with higher ABV have a complex taste, because of the other ingredients.
I don't think the higher Alcohol content alone does it. My proof with Bud Platinum that is a rice beer, it amplifies everything that is shitty about Budweiser. ..
I'm arguing with you, but making your point in a round about way. Perhaps it makes good beer better, and bad beer shittier.


Like I said, I've had high alcohol beers that just taste like alcohol, no complexity there. IPA's have gotten more complex, starting with beers like Sculpin. They do typically check in at 6-7%, but I consider high alcohol 9% or higher. The best example of what you're describing are Belgium beers. I have had some fairly complex session and sour beers. A longer fermentation does mean higher alcohol in many cases, but there are complex beers with lower alcohol.
184   PeopleUnited   2023 Apr 29, 12:58pm  

Tenpoundbass says


I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.

NuttBoxer says


Probably more to do with style. Lower alcohol beers are usually Lagers, Pale Ales, Pilsner's, summer beers, session beers. Meant to be light, refreshing, and not filling.


Agreed, the richer flavored beers that you can get from the smaller breweries tend to use more/better/special ingredients to give that flavor. This often means more sugar, and longer/more fermentation and more alcohol. So it is not the alcohol that gives the flavor, it’s the process/ingredients that gives both the flavor and the higher alcohol content.

To me high ABV is anything above 5%. And yes I know that isn’t very high, but it’s just a general
Guideline. Almost all my go to beers are 5% or higher. And most brands main beers are less than 5% which to my palate is watered down crap. It’s good on a hot day at the beach or bbq when just about anything cold will do. But if I just want a cold drink water is better than most of the stuff people call beer.

My favorite beers are above 7% they tend to be the most flavorful. Bourbon barrel aged series beers are one example. And La Fin Du Monde, and La Trappe are some good imported Belgian style beers. Belgian beers seems hard to find in taprooms, but maybe ya‘ll have better watering holes in your neck of the woods.
185   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 29, 2:07pm  

Digging the Yuengling Black and Tan. Reasonably priced, too.
186   richwicks   2023 Apr 29, 2:13pm  

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says


Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome


Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.


Ethiopia had a famine because it was a war tactic in the 1980s. Isn't it weird there was an entire war and those constant pleas for money from Sally Struthers, and you never were told that?
187   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 29, 6:08pm  

richwicks says


Tenpoundbass says


richwicks says


Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome


Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.



Ethiopia had a famine because it was a war tactic in the 1980s. Isn't it weird there was an entire war and those constant pleas for money from Sally Struthers, and you never were told that?


Yep. The Marxists forcibly moved large segments of farming villages halfway in to the growing season; they were unable to plant food as a result and missed two growing seasons by the time they resettled.

In the 70s, that was a precursor of USA for Africa, UK aid to Biafra promoted on the BBC probably extended the war by years, as the government and milita confiscated aid at the ports and used it to keep the conflict going.
188   ThatGuy   2023 Apr 29, 7:06pm  

pudil says

We need an easy, funny derogatory name for bud light you can rib your buddy with when you see him drink one.


We used to call it butt light.

I took it to the next level, you're welcome..
https://twitter.com/N23Dprinting/status/1652493003720908800?ref_src=patrick.net
189   NuttBoxer   2023 May 1, 5:58pm  

PeopleUnited says

And La Fin Du Monde


Very good beer. Canadian I believe. I'm not into alcohol, except that I won't drink the really high ones anymore unless it's Belgium. But IPA's generally fall around 6-7%, and sours usually just a bit lower. Those are my go-to's beside the Belgium style beers.

I have brought higher alcohol dark beers to the beach, but not for me. My wife prefers dark coffee flavored, and she doesn't care about the time of year. I love a good session, summer, or lager during the summer.
190   PeopleUnited   2023 May 1, 7:54pm  

NuttBoxer says

Very good beer. Canadian I believe.

True, French Canadian I guess. it means end of the world! Sounds about right and tastes good too!
191   pudil   2023 May 1, 8:04pm  

Misc says

Sales only dropped 17% from the fiasco.

I wonder how many employees they are gonna have to let go.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/04/24/bud-boycott-slashes-sales-17-percent/


Only 17%, that’s huge! Sure AbInbev has other brands of beer, but they paid leveraged dollars out the ass to acquire Budweiser and all their other brands. They won’t be able to service their debt if their #1 beer brand is making 20% less money for any amount of time.

And I bet the numbers are higher. At a kid’s birthday party this weekend. Cooler full of mixed beers including bud light. Not one guy drank one, cooler was full of blue cans when I left. At the bar that night. Not one bud light being drunk. Bartender said nobody orders them anymore. My non English speaking mother in law who would drink a six pack of bud light a day has switched to coolers.

The Budweiser brand is shot. The consumers have found similar alternatives. Sure in 6 months people won’t remember why they don’t like bud light, but by then they’ll just be habitually ordering a different beer.
192   GNL   2023 May 1, 8:13pm  

Everyone here may like a documentary called "How Beer Saved the World".
197   Onvacation   2023 May 1, 8:55pm  

Tenpoundbass says


Shiner Bock

Found this during 2020 RV cross country trip while transiting Kansas.


Good Beer!
198   AmericanKulak   2023 May 1, 9:40pm  

Fournier’s photo showed 36-packs of Bud Light on sale for only $14.97.

“This is insane,” he commented.

That means in at least one store, a can of Bud Light is worth about 41 cents.

https://www.westernjournal.com/price-36-pack-bud-light-costco-goes-viral-pretty-much-giving-away-point/
199   NuttBoxer   2023 May 2, 8:12am  

AmericanKulak says

That means in at least one store, a can of Bud Light is worth about 41 cents.


That's not the cost of the beer, that's the cost of your dignity...
200   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 2, 8:17am  

Onvacation says

Found this during 2020 RV cross country trip while transiting Kansas.


Was it sweet like Dragon Stout or nutty like Guinness?

I'm not a fan of sweet dark beer.
201   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 2, 8:21am  

pudil says


The Budweiser brand is shot. The consumers have found similar alternatives. Sure in 6 months people won’t remember why they don’t like bud light, but by then they’ll just be habitually ordering a different beer.


Never fuck with a successful brand. All you want to do is push it into new markets. But you don't want to muck with the image or brand.

I remember when Mars spent tens of millions rolling out a new logo to look more "Internetty"(actual quote from the Mars manager near me at the time).
All of the signage, letter head, receipts all branding replaced with new logo. They were bankrupt in less than a year.
It's a shame I liked Mars better than Guitar Center.

Pepsi isn't as prevalent as it was before they changed their logo to look like the Obama campaign logo.
They'll do just fine, the whole Pepsico umbrella will shield them regardless if nobody ever drinks it again. If they were just a soft drink company they would have gone bankrupt by now.
202   NuttBoxer   2023 May 2, 8:23am  

It's a lager, shouldn't taste like either of those as they're both stouts. Don't let the color fool you...
203   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 2, 8:35am  

I realize that but Lager can be a big word with lots of flavors and style.

Budweiser, Stella and Heineken are three Lagers I wouldn't drink with your mouth.

I'm drooling over all of these Czech and German lagers.

https://renegadebrewing.com/lager-beer/
204   NuttBoxer   2023 May 2, 9:41am  

Sure, styles can vary widely, but in Lagers I think they tend to stay pretty true. Comparatively I've had IPA's with zero bitterness, and on nitro they lose all their bite, really weird.

That list I think takes some liberties with their categorization. A Helles tastes much different than an average lager. Forgot about IPL's, Ballast Point had a good one(Fathom), before they got bought out.
205   NuttBoxer   2023 May 3, 9:01am  

Bleeding continues for Anhuser as Bud Light has now dropped over a quarter in profits compared to April 2022. This may not seem that important, but does everyone realize we have the potential to shutter one of the largest corporations in America because we disagree with their values? I've been railing on this point for a while here on patnet. How you live your life matters! Not how you vote once every 2 or 4 years, but how you LIVE!

More powerful than standing armies, central banks, corrupt governments is the will of the people. We will ALWAYS outnumber them, we will always have the final say.

Bud Light is a start. Now are you ready to change the world?
206   WookieMan   2023 May 3, 11:18am  

NuttBoxer says

Bud Light is a start. Now are you ready to change the world?

The money goes elsewhere. Likely to their other brands in their umbrella if you were already drinking Bud Light. Most people don't understand that large corporations own most beer brands, multiple.

Oh look, Busch has a fish on the can. I'll buy that. Same company.... People are morons. I'm not rooting for them but they'll be fine as other distractions come up. People forget.
207   Patrick   2023 May 3, 12:49pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/this-kind-of-collapse-has-never-occurred-in-history-bud-light-sales-have-plummeted-beyond-what-anyone-thought-possible




Bud Light decided to back a dangerous, indefensible, destructive ideology. They did it by picking one of the most intolerable and unlikable practitioners of this awful stuff. It's no great shock that people revolted against it.

Fortunately, it was enough people to send a message like this. As Beer Business Daily put it:

We've never seen such a dramatic shift in national share in such a short period of time.


Call me crazy, but I don't think we're done yet!
208   NuttBoxer   2023 May 3, 9:44pm  

WookieMan says

The money goes elsewhere. Likely to their other brands in their umbrella if you were already drinking Bud Light. Most people don't understand that large corporations own most beer brands, multiple.

Oh look, Busch has a fish on the can. I'll buy that. Same company.... People are morons. I'm not rooting for them but they'll be fine as other distractions come up. People forget.


Nope! All Anhuser sales are down, while Miller and Coors sales are up. Busch was specifically mentioned as one of those down brands.
209   ElYorsh   2023 May 3, 9:50pm  

Patrick says

Not only will I never drink a Bud again, I will find out all related brands and avoid them, and tell everyone I know for the rest of my life to avoid them. I will not even remain in the presence of anyone drinking any of them. That's how much I loathe Bud now.

https://www.anheuser-busch.com/brands

AVOID:

10 Barrel
Beck's
Blue Point
Bon & Viv Spiked Seltzer
Breckenridge Brewe (some text omitted to shorten quote...) r Peaks Brewery
Golden Road Brewing
Goose Island Brewery
Green Valley Brewing
Hoegaarden
Hurricane
Johnny Appleseed
Karbach Brewing
King Cobra
Kona Brewing
LandShark Lager
Michelob
Modelo
Natural
Natural Light
Old Dominion Brewing
Omission Beer
Quilmes
Redbridge
Redhook
Rolling Rock
Shock Top
Spykes
Square Mile Cider
Stella Artois
Tilt
Wicked Weed Brewing
Widmer Brothers
Wild Blue Lager
Ziegenbock

Modelo is not owned by InBev in the USA. It is owned by Constellation Brands. I was relieved because it has been my favorite since I lived in Mexico
210   AmericanKulak   2023 May 4, 12:26am  

ElYorsh says

Hoegaarden

I would do that to avoid Hepatitis A,B,C and D.
211   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 4, 6:19am  

I go to Winn Dixie on the weekends, they have every cut of steak from $5,99 to $8.99(depending on marbling) Sometimes the 5 dollah steaks looks just as good as the 9 dollah ones.
I walked by the beer cooler and all of the Budweiser products were full. The Corona and Lite were the only brands that most of the product was cleared out.

This was on Marina Mile in a Hoity Toitish neighborhood, that I would think would all be Hillary voters. Ft Lauderdale rich are Liberals unlike the West Palm Beach rich folks who tend to be more conservative.
212   AmericanKulak   2023 May 10, 5:00pm  

Bud Light's hangover from hell: Sales figures for America's once-favorite beer reveal how EVERY region in U.S. has turned its back since the Dylan Mulvaney tie-up - as Anheuser-Busch stock is downgraded over 'crisis'
Sales in the Rocky Mountains have plummeted by 29 percent
The South Atlantic, West North Central and East South Central regions all fell 25 percent

Anheuser-Busch has had its stock downgraded by HSBC which says the brewing giant is in a 'crisis'
READ MORE: Bud Light contagion SPREADS to other Anheuser-Busch beers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12068311/Bud-Light-sales-plunged-region-dropping-29-heartlands.html
213   NuttBoxer   2023 May 11, 8:49am  

Did someone post that video here? Sox game in Boston, no one waiting in line at the Bud Light stands. If even the big cities aren't woke enough, they're fucked.

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