patrick.net

Right, everyone YOU disagree with is a compulsive liar.

http://www.akdart.com/obama142.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

I'm not suprised you believe the messiah. Thats probably because you support warfare and welfare too.

Honest Abe says

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

I'd bet anything Abe didn'tread the analysis, but only the emotion packed and biassed quotes that are mostly debunked by the very link he is sharing. Proof again of Abe's illiteracy.

Sherlock Homes had a snuff habit...what's your point?

The election nears. Time for both candidates to start pandering to their respective bases.

wthrfrk80 says

The election nears. Time for both candidates to start pandering to their respective bases.

Liberals will have environmentalists, working people, gay people, women and minorities.

Conservatives will have the remnants of the KKK, troglodytes, science haters, gold standard crackpots, and the .01%.

Let the games begin!

zzyzzx says

CL says

"Tried cocaine"=habitual drug user?

Unfortunately that is often the case.

Only it's not here, so the journalism is horrid.

CL says

Liberals will have environmentalists, working people, gay people, women and minorities.

And don't forget the New Age nutjobs, Church of Oprah members, and plenty of folks that aren't even U.S. citizens. And dead people.

CL says

Conservatives will have the remnants of the KKK, troglodytes, science haters, gold standard crackpots, and the .01%.

And don't forget the pentecostal wackos, theocrats, "Left Behind" rapture-ready kooks, and Young Earth Creationists.

wthrfrk80 says

And don't forget the New Age nutjobs, Church of Oprah members, and plenty of folks that aren't even U.S. citizens. And dead people.

Piffle. You know that each of these amounts to less than members of the Michigan Militia.

In fact, I challenge you to find any accounting of more than 10 total of voter fraud among undocumented workers or dead people.

Who cares?

If this is a significant issue about Obama, we may be sure he will win in November.

Cloud says

No, the Republicans will have the small business owners who write the paychecks for most Americans.

Yes, and that ratio is about 100 to 1 (owner vs worker). You like those odds? BTW, a "small business" is classified as less than 500 employees

Good for him. There's a time and place for everything, and he did it when it made sense, stopped when it no longer made sense.

Cloud says

Are you denying a major majority of those who run small business, who hire people, who create wealth vote Republican?

I'll go further, a majority of the people who defend this country and our freedoms are also conservatives.

Liberals are talkers. Professors. Government workers. School teachers with summers off. Reporters who live in their parents basements until they are 40.

You know it.

Not all Republicans are racists, but if you're racist your most likely a Republican.

Not all Republicans are God-fearing, bible thumping nimwits who crave telling me how to live my life but if you're a God-fearing, bible thumping nimwits who craves telling me how to live my life you're probably a Republican.

Not all Republicans are war mongers who have no problem wasting trillions of dollars on pointless wars that do nothing to make us safer but if your a war monger who has no problem wasting trillions of dollars on pointless wars that do nothing to make us safer your probably a Republican.

Got about 10 more of these. Democrats can be douches too, but Republicans take the cake.

You know it.

Cloud says

80 percent of the small business owners who pay for this country are Republicans. Folks who have to actually live in reality.

U R probably right. And when these moms and pops will get crushed by a walmart incarnate, it will be truly poetic justice!

wthrfrk80 says

True to a point. From a "first law of thermodynamics" perspective, the workers are doing all the work. But all of that work must be organized to be useful. That's the "second law" of thermodynamics. The business owners and managers are responsible for converting "heat" into "useful work."

Yes, but they are still not doing much.

It is quite easy for a few people to work together without the aid of full-time management.

Depending on the type of work a full-time manager cannot actually directly manage that many people, perhaps 5-20. After that you start needing foremen, assistant managers, etc.

A CEO of a 70,000 person company is still only converting the "heat" of 5-10 people into "useful work". A huge amount of work is getting done "underneath" them, and would still get done if the CEO were to go away.

I'm not sure I'd want to invest in a company with no hierarchy whatsoever. But yes, some companies have excessive management (like in the movie Office Space).

leoj707 says

wthrfrk80 says

True to a point. From a "first law of thermodynamics" perspective, the workers are doing all the work. But all of that work must be organized to be useful. That's the "second law" of thermodynamics. The business owners and managers are responsible for converting "heat" into "useful work."

Yes, but they are still not doing much.

It is quite easy for a few people to work together without the aid of full-time management.

Depends on the business. Having run a small business (commercial general contracting) with an average of about 10 employees. There is no way in hell that my employees that did the field work could deal with the business aspects of the contracting business or organize and even do the field work without supervision. These were excellent trades people but not everyone is capable of organizational skills. Regarding management not working as hard as the workers, again it depends. In my business yes the workers worked physically harder but I put in many more hours and endured far more stress than they did.

leoj707 says

Yes, but they are still not doing much.

Spoken like someone who's never made it past factory floor level. Everyone else' job is always easy, especially if they make more money than you, right?

If you've spent time as both the front end producer, as well as the manager, you quickly see that most front line people are commodities. It's the management that makes or breaks a business.

Entry level employees are particularly unproductive. We expect a programmer will be a net cost to us for the first 18 to 24 months. A senior level guy is worth 25 entry level employees. Even after they are trained, a senior employee that can manage is worth twice his non-management twin with the same technical skills.

Management is incredibly difficult, stressful, and absolutely VITAL to success. Only natural that most aren't that great at it.

Besides, aren't most managers the best producers? Or at least they used to be, and now teach/lead/coach their team into profits?

leoj707 says

A huge amount of work is getting done "underneath" them, and would still get done if the CEO were to go away.

You are listening to too many Democrat lies. This opinion drastically contrasts everything I've seen in the business world.

CBOEtrader says

Management is incredibly difficult, stressful, and absolutely VITAL to success. Only natural that most aren't that great at it.

Definitely. I tried management once. I didn't care for it at all. It's "herding cats." Even with the perks it still sucked.

CBOEtrader says

I work harder than anyone I know

I haven't met anyone yet who thinks their neighbor works harder than they do..

CBOEtrader says

I work harder than anyone I know. I haven't taken a day off either for health or pleasure since Jan 2009, when I went on a 4 day cruise.

CBOEtrader says

If you've spent time as both the front end producer, as well as the manager, you quickly see that most front line people are commodities. It's the management that makes or breaks a business.

Maybe the latter attitude is the reason for the former problem. A GOOD manager would never view anyone as a commodity, but as an asset to grow the business. A good manager would have systems in place and trusted well trained subordinates that would allow them to step away on occasion. Stepping out once and a while is essential to developing a broader view.

Yes I've spent time on both sides. Very successfully. I never thought of anyone under me as a commodity.

rdm says

These were excellent trades people but not everyone is capable of organizational skills. Regarding management not working as hard as the workers, again it depends. In my business yes the workers worked physically harder but I put in many more hours and endured far more stress than they did.

Perhaps I phrased it poorly, I did not mean that management was not working as hard as "workers", but not that much harder than workers say per hour worked. Often sole proprietors have to put in a shitload more hours just to keep their business afloat.

Yes, management is a different skill set.

bob2356 says

Maybe the latter attitude is the reason for the former problem. A GOOD manager would never view anyone as a commodity, but as an asset to grow the business. A good manager would have systems in place and trusted well trained subordinates that would allow them to step away on occasion. Stepping out once and a while is essential to developing a broader view.

Yes I agree ones employees, the good ones, are assets others can be or become definite liabilities but I never considered employees as commodities.

Regarding being able to step away from the business it can take time to develop the scale of business and employee base that can operate for a time without supervision from the top. This of course would vary by the type of business. In the construction biz everyone that is not "building in the field" is overhead. Small mistakes can cost tens of thousands to correct and piss off the architect and your clients so sometimes it is not a simple thing to just leave for a week. It took me years to get my business to that point.

Cloud has a wide stance.

You do know that Greece is not a socialist country, and that major contributors to its problems are rampant corruption and tax evasion.

You wouldn't say because you know nothing.

Cloud says

I meant queer in the traditional sense, as in
"wierd."

Cloud if you are feeling that your sexual fantasies are weird remember that 90% of people are shocked and disgusted by the sexual proclivities of 90% of people.

You do appear to have a well thought out and detailed fantasy. However, I would have to agree that it is a bit weird for you to share it here with us.

Cloud says

You are attacking me and insulting me by calling me gay.

Woah... woah... who said it was an insult? I am sorry that you feel that way concerning an observation based on your postings.

If we could only figure out a way for conservatives to get laid more often, most of our countries problems would go away.

Cloud says

Yeah I'll get into my "wide stance," (Choo choo's words not mine) while you liberals spike the country's debt and add more welfare people to the dole.

Like I said, you need to get laid.

Cloud says

Elmer Fudd insulting me with his sexual attacks.

Libs are nice people huh?

Didn't realize you were so sensitive. I must have hit a nerve. Here is a present for guys like you to show no hard feelings. Good luck.

Yawn.

George Washington was known as "squawfucker" for all the native resources he utilized during his pre-Martha years.

Obama's worst crime is probably he is carrying "Hawaiian" pizzas. You can NOT put pineapple on a pizza. This is a low crime and should be a misdemeanor.

Some asshole dislikes it even when I am trying to tell a joke?

clambo says

Some asshole dislikes it even when I am trying to tell a joke?

I thought it was hilarious.

Then again, wasn't Obama born in Kenya, not Hawaii? ;-)

What toppings would be on a Kenyan pizza? Zebra meat?

zzyzzx says

Obama, by all accounts, was a habitual drug user in high school. He tried cocaine, he admits in Dreams From My Father; he “tried drugs enthusiastically.”

And so did Bush. So let's hate them both and reverse all policies of both administrations! Repeal the NDAA and Patriot Act. Repeal SOPA and the DMCA. Dismantle the TSA. Retroactively reverse the Bush tax cuts. Shut down Gitmo and remove the American presence from Cuban soil. Pull out all troops from the middle east.

After all, all these policies were enacted by immoral druggies who were obviously high at the time and so their policies cannot be trusted! I agree 100% with zzyzzx's analysis. I'm just carrying it out to it's logical conclusion.

In fact, let's go one step further. It is clearly mental insanity to vote to give a drug addict access to the nuclear codes. Clearly, only an insane person would do this. Therefore, we need to permanently revoke the voting privilege-- and yes, it's a privilege, not a right, by definition -- of anyone who voted for either Bush or Obama just like we don't let other mentally ill people vote.

And yes, I'm being serious. Well, serious and factious at the same time -- strangely, they aren't mutually exclusive. If all the batshit crazy people didn't vote, then the sane people in this country could actually steer it into a non-destructive path.

In fact, I'll make the offer even sweeter. We're remove Obama from office immediately and ban him from ever holding office again. However, in exchange, no registered republican or republican office holder can ever hold office again and must leave immediately, as well as anyone who owns a picture of Reagan or Malcolm X.

See, this is how compromise works. The left gets rid of it's crazies, and the right gets rid of its. Granted, there are more crazies on the right, but that's not the left's fault.

However, we will get rid of crazies on both sides. You can't vote or run for office if you ever believed that Obama was born in Kenya or if you ever believed that the World Trade Center was taken down by a controlled explosion set up by the government. ...both sides.

In fact, I want to go another step further. If you haven't mastered Calculus or you can't explain how atoms work, you don't get to hold office. Also, no one who believes in fictitious beings like gods and banshees should be allowed to vote or hold office. Again, because they are delusional, which is by definition a form of mental illness.

Let's just get rid of all the crazies from both sides.

Dan8267 says

And so did Bush. So let's hate them both and reverse all policies of both administrations!

I would take that deal.

zzyzzx says

If the homeowner isn't insulted by your offer...you didn't bid low enough!!!

Holy shit! Obama's going after Herman Cain's job?