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Apparently there is some truth to this:

zzyzzx says

Maybe the next time a former community organizer raised in a creepy church runs for president, the media will work a little harder to dig into his real agenda.

Hell they found him and created him. Don't your breath.

To me I don't go by party.
In terms of NSA, Obama is much worse than Bush. not only did he lie and campaign against it, he also has used the espionage act more than all other presidents combined.

Now in terms of jobs in my industry, Obama is better. He has made getting a H1B and L1 visa exceedingly difficult. I think this IT mini boom we are having will be very different with a republican in office. Even in the recent immigration bill, it is republicans who are trying to increase the H1B quota to 350k -I think it is lower now. The funny thing is that if you talk to a lot of H1B or other Indians, most don't want the increase-because they know what a flood of people willing to work for peanuts will do to the industry. So there Obama wins hands down. Though in other industries, he has signed a lot of free trade deals and has adopted the republican mantra of asking low skilled workers to just get an education and change careers-like they are not offshoring skilled jobs!!

Now as a man, I loathe democrats. My mom's side of the family is all strong women. My great grandmother was a widow early on and raised her kids by herself and thrived very well. My grandma was extremely indepenent and so is my mom and aunts. I am used to strong women standing up for themselves and being independent and having drive and self-respect-probably why I picked my fiance. What I can't believe is in this day and age -obscene child support and alimony . Hey I got drunk and slept with someone one night and he is rich , so now I need 50k a month. Or that woman who married Tiger Woods for a few years and got 100 million-WTF?? What message is that sending-that women are flimsy critters, with no skills and can't do anything on your own. Being equal means you rise and you fall and you stand back again-on your own or from help of friends and family-not from the govt mandating money from the man, under threat of jail. While I may not like Sarah palin's policies-she is a smart woman who used up her sudden turn of fame and built a small empire for herself. She is not sititng there and asking money from her husband or the govt-in fact he is living off her. Unfortuantely for me, the repubs do not embrace this reality and are fighting abortion and birth control and gays-it is like come in to the enxt century already-us men have other issues and we need a party for us.

Sometimes I think repubs and dems engage in these culture wars on purpose. They know it will get the electorate to stop thinking and isntead splinter them and coem back to the fold. Once elected, they don't have to pass anything-just bring it up next election. Like Obama, he didn't mention birth control the first three years in office-just the last year just before the election-how convenient.

zzyzzx says

Apparently there is some truth to this:

Indeed. From yesterday's CNN homepage:

Posting something like this seems more like a rather transparent admittance that those making such assertions actually believed Bush was a worse President to start with.

Like I mentioned before, the fact that Obama doesn't sound like a 10 year old speaking at the podium is reason enough to see that Bush was about 500% worse.

But no matter. Those days are over. The GOP is losing relevancy and the days of electing good ole' boys are going bye-bye.

edvard2 says

Like I mentioned before, the fact that Obama doesn't sound like a 10 year old speaking at the podium is

Obligatory Obama teleprompter references:

President Barack Obama left speechless after aides forget to load teleprompter
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10107357/President-Barack-Obama-left-speechless-after-aides-forget-to-load-teleprompter.html

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

lostand confused says

republicans who are trying to increase the H1B quota to 350k -I think it is lower now.

It's 65K now.

It is 65 k now. But the republicans in the senate insisted that the H1B quota be increased to 350k in return for support of the immigration bill-I think it was orrin Hatch of Utah. But I read somewhere that they had lowered it down to 110k-not sure what the recent status is. It is not law yet-but part of the immigration bill.

You know what's stupid about this poll? Bush isn't the President. Who gives a damn about his current popularity. The only real direct comparison would be comparing polls taken while Bush was actually in office, where at the end he had a single-digit approval rating.

edvard2 says

You know what's stupid about this poll?

Polls only count when they favor Democrats, I see how that works...

zzyzzx says

Obligatory Obama teleprompter references:

Yes, and another non-story, which fails to make a point.

edvard2 says

But no matter. Those days are over. The GOP is losing relevancy and the days
of electing good ole' boys are going bye-bye.

Democrats have a credibility problem Here is Obama from 2007. We all know what he did after that.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/5ylVOdriEyA

edvard2 says

Like I mentioned before, the fact that Obama doesn't sound like a 10 year old speaking at the podium is reason enough to see that Bush was about 500% worse.

Thats actually of little relevance. I can't help but note that many detractors used George Bush's manner of speech as a sign of marginal intelligence, when in fact there is little connection between the two. And I'll also note that there are tremendous public speakers with marginal or subpar intelligence, or even those that have significant mental illness.

edvard2 says

zzyzzx says

Obligatory Obama teleprompter references:

Yes, and another non-story, which fails to make a point.

Obama only hums the tune, the lyrics come from his corporate masters.

CaptainShuddup says

Polls only count when they favor Democrats, I see how that works...

Please explain how polling two totally different sets of circumstances- in this case comparing a non-active president and a active president is at all relevant. It wouldn't matter whether this were between a democrat, republican, or anyone else. Polls are only useful when comparing like with like, and that is not the situation here.

They are both Shity Presidents.

CaptainShuddup says

Obama only hums the tune, the lyrics come from his corporate masters.

You clearly didn't read the story. The speech he was about to give was concerning details over the NSA surveillance. What do you expect him to do? Make shit up? Besides, he took it in good stride and even made a joke about it.

CaptainShuddup says

They are both Shity Presidents.

That's not what you said in a previous post.

Polls are a great tool. If the media can harp on these meaningless polls long enough. Then people who have avoided politics for the last four years, can let the polls do their thinking for them.

Don't kid your self. Do you really think 85% of the people who voted for Obama, put any thought into why they were actually voting for him. Or were they just desperate to "be on the side of history" based on a POLL?

dodgerfanjohn says

Thats actually of little relevance. I can't help but note that many detractors used George Bush's manner of speech as a sign of marginal intelligence, when in fact there is little connection between the two.

Well, a number of cohesive laundry lists of GW's failures were already made. My own addition was simply more reinforcement to what was already mentioned. So collectively add that up and ta-da. formulation of one of the worst presidencies in US history.

CaptainShuddup says

Polls are a great tool.

I agree. But would you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail? Do you understand what I just said? Polling two unrelated things are not meaningful. BUSH IS NOT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT.CaptainShuddup says

Don't kid your self. Do you really think 85% of the people who voted for Obama, put any thought into why they were actually voting for him.

Of course they did. Don't try to belittle people who didn't want to vote your way. Like I've said before the GOP has an extreme demographics problem on their hands these days. Clearly more Americans see the Democratic party as more pertinent to their interests. If the GOP actually paid attention to the real issues, then perhaps more people would vote for them. People vote for those who are most representative of their concerns and positions on issues.

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

He sounds good with teleprompter only.

GW used a Teleprompter as well and still sounded like a 10 year old

edvard2 says

Yes, and another non-story, which fails to make a point.

You were the one who brought up Obama's public speaking skills.

But Bush gave press conferences and delivered yearly budgets.

zzyzzx says

You were the one who brought up Obama's public speaking skills.

Yup. Because they are better than GW's.
CaptainShuddup says

But Bush gave press conferences and delivered yearly budgets.

So? What is your point?

edvard2 says

So? What is your point?

It's NOT what you say, it's when you say it that counts.

People are far more likely to dislike someone when they're making decisions that impact their life. What GW does now is pretty much irrelevant. I bet Clinton's favorability ratings are much higher than when he was president as well.

I think Jimmy Carter is a great guy and like him very much. If you asked me when he was president I would have said he was shitty.

varmint says

People are far more likely to dislike someone when they're making decisions that impact their life. What GW does now is pretty much irrelevant. I bet Clinton's favorability ratings are much higher than when he was president as well.

I think Jimmy Carter is a great guy and like him very much. If you asked me when he was president I would have said he was shitty.

I still don't see GWB as favorable. But I do think Clinton is much more popular now, not just because he was popular during his times. Everyone after has been way worse. He wins the comparison match big time.

FortWayne says

I still don't see GWB as favorable.

Neither do I, but I don't dislike him as much as I did when he was president. Mostly because he doesn't matter anymore. It's not worth the effort to hate the guy.

varmint says

FortWayne says

I still don't see GWB as favorable.

Neither do I, but I don't dislike him as much as I did when he was president. Mostly because he doesn't matter anymore. It's not worth the effort to hate the guy.

I never hated the guy either, just thought he was really really incompetent.

I also think that the poll showing Bush being more popular says more about Obamas scandals and screw ups than it does about Bush. Like you said, Bush isn't relevant anymore...

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

Any bimbo on TV is head and shoulders above Obama with regards to their teleprompter-reading skills.

Pink elephants can fly. Why? Because I said so thus I must be an authority and thus I must be right.CaptainShuddup says

It's NOT what you say, it's when you say it that counts.

That doesn't even make sense.

edvard2 says

CaptainShuddup says

It's NOT what you say, it's when you say it that counts.

That doesn't even make sense.

Sure it does, Obama says a lot, just never on record where it counts. Like in front of the press corp. Johnny Blowjob doesn't have the wherewithal to fact check or do any meaningful retort when he's lied to, on one of Obama's monologue comedy road show.

Hey idiots,

Bush is not more popular than Obama. Bush had lower approval than Obama in his second term. All other past presidents are above 60% approval, while Bush is only at 49%. That's actually pretty dismal.

Polls don't count remember?
We're just stating the facts here.

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

Good summary re your claims about Bush sounding like 10yo. ;)

Out of context. It was meant to indicate I can make crap up too and claim it as fact.
CaptainShuddup says

Polls don't count remember?

We're just stating the facts here.

Is there and echo?

Homeboy says

Bush is not more popular than Obama. Bush had lower approval than Obama in his second term. All other past presidents are above 60% approval, while Bush is only at 49%. That's actually pretty dismal.

DING DING DING!
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

And I called you on it.

Called me on what?

Fascinating turn of events. I read the comments in the huffpost and looks like the extreme left is twisting itself into a pretzel trying to make Snowden look like a criminal/traitor.

I can just imagine their reactions, if Bush or a republican were President during these events. Fascinating psychology.

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

On pulling stuff out of your ass and calling it the truth

No, and its embarrassing that I have to actually explain this. Your previous comment was something along the lines of what a fabulous president GW was, at which point I responded with a sarcastic reply, insomuch- claiming GW was a great president is tantamount to claiming that pink elephants can fly.

lostand confused says

I can just imagine their reactions, if Bush or a republican were President during these events. Fascinating psychology.

Then of course you seem to be conveniently forgetting that representatives from both parties are on both sides of the fence on this issue and hence its not exactly a strictly partisan event anyway.

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

What? Where? Care to post a link?

Come on fess up! It's common knowledge that if you speak out against Obama and dislike his policy then you are big bubble blowing Bush loving sissy. You're a Duck hunting Oil man ADMIT IT!!!

I caught the tater!

Enjoy Your Hope and Change says

Any bimbo on TV is head and shoulders above Obama with regards to their teleprompter-reading skills. Doesn't make them better presidential material.