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Captain said, "Oh and one more thing that is really really really egging me.
You guys claim that there is "institutionalized" racism in the South. When the LA Police department is considered the most racist department in the US, and has been so at least since the O.J. Simpson trial."

This is absolutely true. I have a (black) friend who is writing a book about his experiences with the extreme racism of the LA police department since the 70s. Institutional racism is now common, with officers being selected based on ethnicity under the guise that they are a "right fit" for a particular community.
My friend had some interesting things to say about Dorner, the cop who went on a rampage a year ago and wound up being killed by the LAPD in Big Bear. Namely that he wasn't justified in his rampage and that was wrong, but that his complaints of racism and harassment were absolutely legitimate.

Dan8267 says

The difference is that the North today acknowledges the evil of racism that existed in it and has corrected this behavior and moved on.

Oh go fuck your race baiting sympathetic bullshit in the ass.

The North hasn't moved on any more or less than the South has, that is if you buy into this whole "institutionalized" racism. Which the reality is the Liberals are by far the best example, of Institutionalized racism in this country.

They have waged a 5 year long Shit stink campaign highlighting and fear mongering every police report that involved a White person against a black amplifying it, the President chiming in him self. While in the meantime black crime on anyone has shot higher than any other group, mostly because of economic pressures.
Which have been placed on them by Liberals destroying their psyche and constantly berating them and beating them down, keeping them "In their place" as it were. Can't have too many uppity Negro folk, now can we. Only the ones that some educator along the way, preens for public office, or working in the government are ever encouraged. Self starters are discouraged, unless it gives a Liberal politician a photo Opt, and they'll gladly put a government bill, grant or tax break to go along with it.

The rest of you mother fuckers grab a mop, and clean up on isle 4. But chop chop, you can't work more than 3 hours on any given day!

People have seen enough of the Liberal bullshit in the last 5 years, and it's played out. They've been played by the best and it's getting boring.

So what's a Lib to do??

Well let's dig up 150 years ago, and pretend those Northern folks were modern progressive Liberals, and were all about the Civil rights movement, "Yeah that's the ticket", and those mean old nasty Southern racist, are still the same ole scary racist they were 150 years ago. Oh! But not Us! Oh no, no, no, we're on your side.

Now go work your part time job, and hope the GOP don't cut your SNAP payments. Those mean old GOP, they are all slave owning Racists, just like a long long time ago.

I'm also a Southerner and my family has lived in the same general area for over 200 years. Despite what some revisionists want to say, the war was indeed about slavery. Plain and simple, end of story. Secondly, racism exists everywhere, and as seen by the news of a certain loud-mouthed , washed-up 70's rock star out on the campaign trail for such and such Texas politician, its still very much alive and well.

No doubt the South has a notorious past with race relations and some of that is still true today. But the area is changing rapidly not only with the furthering of education but with the influx of people from other parts of the country. When I was in school we were absolutely told that in no way was it ok to be racist or treat others who might not look like us any differently. In my experience its a generational thing: Younger people tend to be more open minded and exposed to different cultures and ideas. So in the South, like elsewhere in the country, as time marches on, the current generation progresses and so too will the generations after them.

CaptainShuddup says

Oh go fuck your race baiting sympathetic bullshit in the ass.

Race Baiting (Conservative Definition) - The act of acknowledging irrefutable historic truths that conservatives would prefer to be forgotten.

CaptainShuddup says

The North hasn't moved on any more or less than the South has

A statement easily disproved by recent voter suppression laws passed in the South. This is precisely why the oversight features in the Civil Rights Voting Act are still needed. Literally within hours of the Supreme Court ruling they were no longer necessary, Southern states enacted laws who sole purpose was to keep blacks from voting. You don't see that kind of shit in the North.

Yes, the North still has problems as I and everyone else readily admits, but the South is still over a hundred years behind the times. Comparing the two is disingenuous for the exact same reason that comparing sexism in the United States to that in Saudi Arabia is disingenuous. Yes, sexism still exists in the U.S., but the women here are getting acid thrown in their faces. The American South is to the North what Saudi Arabia is the the U.S.

There is one glimmer of hope, though. The younger generations in the South are significantly less bigoted than the older ones. We, the liberals, are winning the war on ignorance.

Dan8267 says

SO wait a minute, now the Civil War was about Gay rights?

Where's that picture of Nicolas Cage's face on a fat cat again.
I say it was about that.

That chart is really outdated. Even more progress has been made since 2008.

sbh says

CaptainShuddup says

the Liberals are by far the best example, of Institutionalized racism in this country.

This is the only point you want to make. The whole misdirection about history and war and economics and society (yeah, real big words and concepts for a dunderhead like you) is to set up for a rant about Liberals being racists. It's all you got. It's all the reactionary redneck original racists got anymore: CALL THE LIBERALS WHAT THEY CALL YOU. Just do it over and over.

So true!

What's really ridiculous about the Captain's statement is that racism and liberalism are incompatible by definition. A liberal is someone who believes we are a nation or rights, not privileges, and that we all have the exact same rights. That's the cornerstone of liberalism. It's the exact opposite of the tribalism that drives social conservatism.

CaptainShuddup says

SO wait a minute, now the Civil War was about Gay rights?

Are you really so dumb as to have missed the point of that graph and why I included it?

The graph shows that the younger generations are less bigoted and more liberal than the older generations. Although geography still has a strong influence, the difference due to generation is even stronger as evident by the fact that the youngest generation in the South is more liberal than the oldest generation in the North.

This is a very good thing. It means that the changes in political attitudes are enormous and that eventually the South will be peopled entirely by liberals. We liberals are going to win and its going to happen within the next few generations. Then, and only then, will the South be able to leave its vile history in the past.

And this is what scares the shit out of social conservatives like you.

I guess if one were to make a generalized statement when it comes to either liberal or conservative voters, well its really easy to take a look at the track records of both to see where either stood when it came to social issues. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to easily see which group was historically wrong on most issues in this area.

Dan8267 says

Are you really so dumb as to have missed the point of that graph and why I included it?

No what was the point of injecting an irrelevant chart in a discussion about the Civil war being solely about the Southerns were racist slave owners, who didn't want the Northern Civil rights activist to take them away from them. Other than to prove my point of you posting this thread in the first place.

Oh did you hear yesterday, Chick-Fil-A reunited a run away teen with her parents? Because that's what Chick-Fil-A does, they belive in keeping families together.

CaptainShuddup says

irrelevant chart

The chart's not irrelevant. Gay rights, women's rights, minority right's, etc. are all the same thing: human and civil rights. The marriage equality movement today is the natural next step in the progression to greater humanity and equality under law that started with ending slavery, continued with the Progressive Movement, and the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. The fact that you cannot see the connection is a large part of your problem.

Those rights are only the corner stone of the Liberal strategy.
Blacks are nothing but political manikins which the Liberal use as window dressing to frame their narrative and get asses elected.

That is why Liberals Loathe any uppity black business man talking GOP talking points, about hard work and success. And don't blame the GOP White man for their woes. It just defiles, and undermines everything they work so hard to accomplish. Do you have any idea how fucking hard it is to create a whole goddamn race of Political Patsies?

You can't have them going off and making something of them selves with out the White Liberal's dictating which political niche they fill.

CaptainShuddup says

Well fucking of course You DON'T, or your party would be obsolete.

Independents don't have a party. We have the obligation of thinking for ourselves. You party is rapidly becoming obsolete however. Seeing you as representative I can see why.

You're being a bigot by calling me a bigot as I've noted on several times the biggest travesty of having these conversations with you clowns. I would like to point out, I've never once had to defend my racial views to a black person. This argument is only something White SFBA Liberals who have never left the confines of their Starbucks enclave, and ventured anywhere near the areas they like to think fall under their dominion.

They think all other races are here to amuse them and enrich their artistic and political aspirations. They don't believe for one fucking second the shit they say.

Oh yeah and throw in the tea party, because you would know all about that too, aye? Racist ungrateful little prick.

CaptainShuddup says

Those rights are only the corner stone of the Liberal strategy.

Blacks are nothing but political manikins which the Liberal use as window dressing to frame their narrative and get asses elected.

Again, you are projecting your biases on liberals. Actual liberals in the real world resemble nothing you say about them.

I'm a liberal and I have no interest in ever running for office. That alone discredits your accusations.

sbh says

CaptainBigot thinks standing up for the rights of black people is racism against white people.

That would be consistent with his stance on homosexuality.

Slavery as an issue took English support away from the south. England's imperial hegemony was safer with a fractured American government, squabbling between each other. Until the Emancipation Proclamation had been issued, England had supplied the south with many of its muskets and allowed the south to build and outfit their commerce raiders in England and then sail them back from English ports. Since England had abolished slavery decades before, it would have been diplomatically hypocritical for them to support a government that's fighting to maintain and further slavery. Lincoln might have been against slavery, personally, but it was also a brilliant foreign policy move.