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HappyGilmore says

what is your definition of liberal?

The colloquial use has been butchered, for sure, but the word "liberal" still has a proper definition. I encourage you to look it up.

The defining characteristic of a classic liberal is in holding individual rights as the important building block in society. There is no such thing as black rights, womens rights, gay rights... just human rights. Everyone is treated the same. Same laws, same hiring practices, etc... Our pathological leftists cult of diversity throws this most fundamental principle of liberalism out the window, even labeling it "white privilege".

CBOEtrader says

This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

CBOEtrader says

you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.

Do others appreciate the irony here ? Lol. Pretty amazing, no ?

CBOEtrader says

HappyGilmore says

what is your definition of liberal?

The colloquial use has been butchered, for sure, but the word "liberal" still has a proper definition. I encourage you to look it up.

The defining characteristic of a classic liberal is in holding individual rights as the important building block in society. There is no such thing as black rights, womens rights, gay rights... just human rights. Everyone is treated the same. Same laws, same hiring practices, etc... Our pathological leftists cult of diversity throws this most fundamental principle of liberalism out the window, even labeling it "white privilege".

A true liberal would engage the following policies:

-Insist on a vote of congress and a declaration of war before engaging in overseas military action.
-fight vehemently against bank/wall st/financial bailouts and favorable policies towards such
-fully support and embrace the 1st and 5th amendments. Take a less strident(but still supportive) view of other amendments including the 2nd. A true liberal is absolutely appalled at what is going on currently in the schools and colleges.
-support tariffs that protect american industry and jobs.
-support a limited social safety net.
-support an increased tax on capital gains.

If this all sounds familiar, Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul are the closest. Senator Paul fits every part of this except the increase in capital gains tax. Senator Sanders is not too supportive of several amendments and probably would want to increase the social safety net. Also he embraces the garbage that is identity politics.

Funny that both are pariahs in some circles of the mainstream of their respective political parties. Also quirky that President Trump embraces many of the above. Probably why he has a leftist media and the leftists on this site in such fits.

CBOEtrader says

he defining characteristic of a classic liberal is in holding individual rights as the important building block in society. There is no such thing as black rights, womens rights, gay rights... just human rights. Everyone is treated the same. Same laws, same hiring practices, etc... Our pathological leftists cult of diversity throws this most fundamental principle of liberalism out the window, even labeling it "white privilege".

Exactly. The point of gay rights or womens' rights is to make them equal to non-gays or men. Like--giving women the right to vote. Or letting gays be recognized as married under the law. Liberals are trying to get individual rights the same no matter if you're gay, female, black, etc.

And they want everyone to have the same chances no matter if you were born black, Hispanic, or white.

CovfefeButDeadly says

Also quirky that President Trump embraces many of the above. Probably why he has a leftist media and the leftists on this site in such fits.

I agree with most of what you said until this. Trump isn't in favor of 1, 2, 3, 5, or 6. He is far from a liberal.

CBOEtrader says

Haha, OMG. First off, blacks are 13% of the population. Meaning even your murky stat suggests blacks commit 4 times the number of violence as other races. Second, GUN DEATHS includes suicide. Suicides are about 2/3rds of that purposely misleading figure "GUN DEATHS". GUN DEATHS is a purposefully disingenuous stat, only used by liars or parroted by the ignorant into the conversation about violent crime. Which of those are you? Also, whites commit suicide at a higher rate than blacks.

Therefore, even by your own purposefully misleading stats, blacks commit MORE THAN 4 times the gun violence than the average per capita (I think the actual stat is around 6.5 times). IN FACT, like i stated earlier, blacks commit SO MUCH MORE GUN VIOLENCE than other races, that you can build a decently accurate model of murder per capita knowing nothing more than % of african americans in a population. Where you find >90% white people, you also find murder rates identical to europe.

Sorry, those are the facts.

Some of those are facts, but what you said earlier was NOT a fact. Hopefully you see the difference.

Goran_K says

No, fact = fact.

Good, try to be more careful in your word choice in the future please.

HappyGilmore says

And they want everyone to have the same chances no matter if you were born black, Hispanic, or white.

Conservatives and true liberals want that.

Leftist/Democrats want to "correct for history" via reverse racism.

Goran_K says

Leftist/Democrats want to "correct for history" via reverse racism.

Some do. Most do not. Some believe (probably correctly) that there is enough subtle racism to justify some regulations to ensure that minorities are given a chance.

To overcome the sorts of people who think that only black ghetto queens get in fights at IHOP.

HappyGilmore says

Some do. Most do not. Some believe (probably correctly) that there is enough subtle racism to justify some regulations to ensure that minorities are giving a chance.

No they don't. They're doing it because it directly benefits them, not some "greater for mankind" quest to erase racism. There's a reason why asians are getting screwed, and Democrats are a-okay with that, as long as blacks and hispanics get some spots at Harvard.

Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).

Goran_K says

They're doing it because it directly benefits them,

Goran_K says

as long as blacks and hispanics get some spots at Harvard.

Either this is an illogical statement or you believe that democrats are mostly black and Hispanic. Which one is it?

Goran_K says

No they don't. They're doing it because it directly benefits them, not some "greater for mankind" quest to erase racism. There's a reason why asians are getting screwed, and Democrats are a-okay with that, as long as blacks and hispanics get some spots at Harvard.

Is this another "fact"? It's funny that Trump supporters are so well versed in what liberals and leftists believe. But are mortally offended when someone states what Trump supporters believe. How dare they???

Goran_K says

Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (fought to maintain slavery, formed the KKK, invented a new slavery via LBJ's "great society" movement, their entire identity politics platform).

Nice bunch of nonsense there. Read up on history and learn how the makeup of the parties changed in the 1960s. Then you can talk about which is the party of racism.

And let’s shut down the “equal chance for underserved communities” argument with one single question.

Would you also be in favor of affirmative action programs for poor disadvantaged white children?

If the answer is “no” then you are a classically defined racist.

HappyGilmore says

Is this another "fact"?

Yes.



HappyGilmore says

Nice bunch of nonsense there. Read up on history and learn how the makeup of the parties changed in the 1960s. Then you can talk about which is the party of racism.

No they didn't. This is a myth Democrats try to push to pretend that their party was not the founders of the KKK and fought to preserve slavery. I've asked posters here who made that point to name 10 senators or elected officials who switched from the Democrat/DixieCrat party to the Republican party in the 60s, and never ever got a list longer than 1-2 senators (out of over 1500 elected seats). The reason? There wasn't a "party switch".

That's such a ridiculous claim. Like, why would GOP politicians suddenly become racist, and why would Democrat racist, who had been racist for over a hundred years, suddenly become pro-black benevolent non racist. That doesn't even make any sense.

LBJ was a well known racist. Jimmy Carter opened his re-election campaign at the headquarters of the KKK. DNC e-mails leaked by wikileaks show DNC internal staffers referred to hispanic outreach as the Taco campaign, and also showed two DNC staffers cracking jokes about a black woman's name. Hillary Clinton's mentor was a KKK grand dragon for fucks sake.

Democrats have, and will always OWN the most vile racist history of the United States.

Goran_K says

Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (

Can you please clarify if you mean all, most, many, some, etc. democrats/leftists. Because I suspect a personal attack on other users here.

Goran_K says

Democrats have, and will always OWN the most vile racist history of the United States.

Yep. And don't forget the Democrat's vile history with Eugenics.

But hats off to the Democrats and their Media enablers in their successful bid to re-write history and shield the Democrats from their racist past and spin it all on Republicans.

Simply put, the South became less racist once they started to become more Republican.

Twenty years from now when Democrats finally become wise on science and biology and stop their support of abortion on demand - they will probably find a way to re-write history showing that Republicans are the party of Planned Parenthood.

FP says

Can you please clarify if you mean all, most, many, some, etc. democrats/leftists. Because I suspect a personal attack on other users here.

In general.

Goran_K says

In general

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

socal2 says

Yep. And don't forget the Democrat's vile history with Eugenics.

Exactly. Margaret Sanger is a well known DEMOCRAT heroine who is till this day revered by well known Democrat politicians, and Democrat voters despite her KKK membership, her history of planned extinction of black people or whom she called "unfit", "weeds", etc and her overall support for the Eugenics movement. I find no difference between Sanger and Hitler in their views of people they considered "unfit".

" I admire Margaret Sanger being a pioneer in trying to empower women to have some control over their bodies and I deplore statements that you have referenced. That is the way we often are when we look at flawed human beings. There are things that we admire and things we deplore." - Hillary Clinton

FP says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

FP, knock it off. Being purposefully trolly and insulting of a mod isn't going to work out for you. Trying to save you some heart ache.

@patrick,

Your moderator, Goran, is again:
1) attacking me personally for no reason
2) lying - claiming that I've insulted him, which is not true; I was actually quite polite.
3) deleted my comment, which contained no personal attacks or has in any other way violated the site's rules

Please moderate your moderator.

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

Maybe it's impossible, and people just lose track of everything except hating their rivals.

I suppose that's the basis for "divide and conquer". As soon as a group is divided, there is only infighting, and no attention to external threats.

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.

bob2356 says

and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Patrick says

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

@patrick,
That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

CovfefeButDeadly says

A true liberal would engage the following policies:

-Insist on a vote of congress and a declaration of war before engaging in overseas military action.
-fight vehemently against bank/wall st/financial bailouts and favorable policies towards such
-fully support and embrace the 1st and 5th amendments. Take a less strident(but still supportive) view of other amendments including the 2nd. A true liberal is absolutely appalled at what is going on currently in the schools and colleges.
-support tariffs that protect american industry and jobs.
-support a limited social safety net.
-support an increased tax on capital gains.

This is a decent summary. I'd disagree w in theory w increased tax on capital gains, but this isnt a perfect world. In this imperfect work, a capital gains tax would be preferable to an income tax, so functionally we still agree.

bob2356 says

highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states.

perhaps clarify which states you are talking about? Not sure how you define liberal vs strict gun laws.

I haven't run the numbers in 2 years, but when you take murder rate and run a regression against legal gun ownership rate, there is a negative correlation. Higher legal gun ownership = lower murder rate per state. Although the relationship was nowhere near as strong as % of african americans to murder rate.

Hair Hatted Houligan Relatives of rightfully shot dead Burglar complain about 2nd Amendment.

www.youtube.com/embed/9NGjm2Qz0nM

It's America's #1 Plague and the cause of most of the Violence in this country. Nasty bitches who don't love their kids, don't care what happens to them, especially the boys. Just wanting to get the most recently paroled Thug (desperate from being in prison) to bang 'em in their nasty coochie.

Trayvon's mom didn't even know what her own son liked.

Goran_K says

bob2356 says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

FP says

That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.

Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.

Nothing will ever change until folks get real about why a handful of horny, bloodthirsty Spaniards could defeat Montezuma and subjugate the Stone Age soon to be Hispanics. And why Africa is so ass backwards. Hint: it ain’t whitey.

Goran_K says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

Left wing media has been pushing anti American ideology, it does affect the minds of their viewers.

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

FP says

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

Seems fair

I found a really funny meme. It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

PrivilegedtobeWhite says

It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

It does accurately fit many of the lefty posters in this thread.

Goran_K says

Worst part is, it's mostly blacks killing other blacks.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

HappyGilmore says

blacks commit SO MUCH MORE GUN VIOLENCE than other races, that you can build a decently accurate model of murder per capita knowing nothing more than % of african americans in a population

I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ? (not that it's aswesome that so many inner city blacks find themselves in gang banger turf battles, vendettas, or whatever the fuck they're doing.

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness ! Kudos. I know Patrick loves it and agrees wholeheartedly.