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Quigley says

HeadSet says

To negate these facts merely because he is not a climate scientist is flawed logic.

It was an example not an indictment. Even climate scientists don’t know half of what makes the weather tick. But I find the worst misjudgements are made by people who truly don’t understand the sheer scope of their own ignorance on a subject..”

I should clarify a few things.

First, I'm not bringing up my education to add heft to my opinion. I did it to show I'm not entirely a layman in science. I fully understand the scientific method, and I have complete confidence in it. I am certainly no scientist, and I probably don't have the intelligence to be one, and I certainly don't have the psychological make up to be one.

What I am pointing out is that the so-called "model" of climate change has never produced a useful prediction that I know of. These models are not accessible to the public, and they should be, and I don't think "global climate change" is a science, because it lacks a model that is even close to accurate. A model is the most basic thing you need to have in order to call it a theory. Where's the model?

This is not to say I think somebody is "stupid" or "duped" to believe in climate change as a man made problem, but it's my opinion, at this point, that it's more of a political move than a science. Are you able to name some predictions that were made correctly, and cite where the claim was made? I can't, and it's not like I've not looked. It is my opinion at this point, that the scientific method will leave this in the dustbin of history, as junk science.

Greta Thunberg, a 16 year old child, is now the icon of this. I'm certainly no scientist, but I'm well aware of propaganda techniques because that's my hobby. The "child hero" is a common propaganda method used by both fascist and communist nations. A child is used, because criticism of their statements will make you appear cruel to a child, and child can sincerely believe anything. Go watch her speech and notice the UN CLAPS after her presentation after she denounces them and tells them they have ruined the world because of their inaction and empty rhetoric for decades. Why would they clap at that? She just called them incompetent do-nothing selfish liars - yet they applaud her. A 16 year old know nothing who apparently believes, sincerely, the world is going to end in a decade. Why is the UN clapping? "Yeah, this 16 year old snot is right! We are a bunch of useless assholes!!!"

It's really irrelevant anyhow, because neither China, Russia or India are going to go along with it. It's a manufactured global emergency I think. It's been over 35 years, name anything that was actually done to alleviate it. Go watch an Inconvenient Truth again, and keep in mind it was made in 2006.

And BTW - you know what is worse for the world's ecology than climate change, even if all the current predictions turn out to be correct? Thermonuclear war. When is the last time you heard anybody worry about that? However, at this time conflicts between India, Pakistan, and China now exist, not to mention the United States and Russia.

Notice it is our media that ENTIRELY drives the agenda of what we are to talk about. The media told people to protest Trump having a temporary 6 month ban on refugees from 7 nations - if this was a real protest over human rights, where was the protest when Obama was bombing 5 of those nations to make those refugees? I love studying propaganda, because there's so much of it. It's not even good propaganda anymore.

One thing I've learned from studying propaganda for the last 30 years is that if a government makes a claim start looking for a motive for the claim, and be doubly suspicious of it. Currently Russia is an "expansionist aggressive nation". Oh? Has it bombed a bunch of north Africa, Middle Eastern, and Western Asian nations creating a refugee crisis so huge, it's destabilizing Europe? No? Well, the US is. The US is the expansionist aggressive nation. Saul Alinski, you sure were an asshole, and thankfully a stupid asshole that thought everybody was stupid so we have this crappy, 3rd grade propaganda that is so easily dismantled, that they're trying to censor the internet to hide the obvious flaws.

jazz_music says

Yeah, this is what the Democrats claim they are doing, but look at Detroit or Flint Michigan, or LA, or Chicago. Here's a challenge for you, name the best city you can think of in the United States, that is has been run by the Democrats for more than 20 years.

The rhetoric of the Democrats is appealing, but it's a complete lie. Once they take over an area, they start bankrupting it, temporarily increasing the living standard, and then they leave it impoverished. Want to buy a house in San Francisco? You'll be able to do it, cheap, in about 20 years, once that place is like Detroit, and it will be exactly like Detroit by then.

richwicks says

jazz_music says

Yeah, this is what the Democrats claim they are doing, but look at Detroit or Flint Michigan, or LA, or Chicago. Here's a challenge for you, name the best city you can think of in the United States, that is has been run by the Democrats for more than 20 years.

The rhetoric of the Democrats is appealing, but it's a complete lie. Once they take over an area, they start bankrupting it, temporarily increasing the living standard, and then they leave it impoverished. Want to buy a house in San Francisco? You'll be able to do it, cheap, in about 20 years, once that place is like Detroit, and it will be exactly like Detroit by then.

Spot on. Except for that SF has foreign buyers propping it at all times and a great climate. It wiil def be run to the ground even more by the leftoids but eventually find an equilibrium, and the Asians and Russians will police their own hoods more than ever.

mell says

Spot on. Except for that SF has foreign buyers propping it at all times and a great climate. It wiil def be run to the ground even more by the leftoids but eventually find an equilibrium, and the Asians and Russians will police their own hoods more than ever.

SF doesn't have a good climate. Don't you remember Mark Twain's supposed quote: "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." The bay area is nice, but there's actually a lot of places with great climates. They are places that are basically in a desert with low humidity. At 100F and 0 humidity, you're entirely comfortable, because sweating doesn't make you wet. Boulder Colorado is like this because it's just so high, never felt humidity when I was there and snow doesn't really melt, it sublimes.

SF is going to be a craphole in 20 years, and so will most of the Bay Area. We already made the internet, the whole point of that was to allow white collar nerds like me be able to work anywhere on the planet. This place is running on fumes with bullshit corporations right now. I work for a company now, that is at series H for funding. NO SHIT, series H. By C, you're usually finished. I have no idea who is dumb enough to fund us, but that's how much money there is pouring into this sewer.

richwicks says

Spot on. Except for that SF has foreign buyers propping it at all times and a great climate.

There's lots of places with good climates, especially for foreign investment. SF will be left as a dump just like every other place in the United States. Also, the climate of SF isn't great, it's simply OK. Any desert climate is comfortable if it has low humidity.

Boulder Colorado has a great climate. It snows there of course, but it's so far up in the mountains, that snow doesn't melt, it sublimes.

jazz_music says

No, that's not how the hillary card is played.

It's played when some confused leftist starts spouting on, making Trump accusations, and attacking your character, accusing you of supporting a politician who is (corrupt / liar / swampy / etc...). That's when you remind them that they LOVE corrupt hillary, who has been objectively proven of crimes for a long time.

I love educating lefties of their double standards.

Their reaction when they realize you're right is well characterized by these 4 stages:

Patrick says

ABSOLUTELY FALSE!

Liberals are systematically suppressing US wages for poor citizens by importing literally millions of Mexicans and demanding that everyone accept it or be called "racist".

It's only about MONEY and liberals are sucking corporate cock for MONEY.

Yep! Obama didn't want to raise wages, he simply said the manufacturing jobs weren't coming back, suck up your $8/hr no benefit Chinese Crap Warehouse job instead.

The Dems can't treat the Rustbelt White Working Class like Hood rats.

They don't want free Obamaphones, shitty "Free" Healthcare, and other free peanuts that Zoo Apes like thrown at them, they want jobs and to be self--supporting and eventually have a house of their own that they own. Not a subsidized HUD apartment rental with a pool like AOC is offering.

richwicks says

Greta Thunberg, a 16 year old child, is now the icon of this. I'm certainly no scientist, but I'm well aware of propaganda techniques because that's my hobby. The "child hero" is a common propaganda method used by both fascist and communist nations. A child is used, because criticism of their statements will make you appear cruel to a child, and child can sincerely believe anything. Go watch her speech and notice the UN CLAPS after her presentation after she denounces them and tells them they have ruined the world because of their inaction and empty rhetoric for decades. Why would they clap at that? She just called them incompetent do-nothing selfish liars - yet they applaud her. A 16 year old know nothing who apparently believes, sincerely, the world is going to end in a decade. Why is the UN clapping? "Yeah, this 16 year old snot is right! We are a bunch of useless assholes!!!"

Right on.

richwicks says

16 year old know nothing
...
this 16 year old snot

This guy flashed a Trump 2020 shirt during a socialist party rally in Spain

@Hircus, where do you get these embeds? AWESOME.

lol I just made a handful of clips of Greta's speech one day. And then a few from some Boney M songs.

I convert youtube to mp3 via https://ytmp3.cc/
and then I cut the file up via ffmpeg:

ffmpeg -y -i greta-whine-full.mp3 -ss 00:04:39.150 -to 00:04:42.100 -c copy -codec:a libmp3lame -qscale:a 2 clips/how-dare-joo.mp3

I've been uploading them to https://vocaroo.com/?upload for lack of a better free hosting solution. I should prob find a better place.

For some of the smaller clips I just embedded the audio via data urls like:

<?php
$mp3File = 'how-dare-joo.mp3';
printf('<video controls> <!-- %s --> <source src="data:audio/mp3;base64,%s" type="audio/mp3"></video>', $mp3File, base64_encode(file_get_contents($mp3File)));


There's also https://ytcutter.com/ which is awesome for making a clip real quick, but it has a bug and sometimes the start / end points aren't accurate - they seem to differ depending on which player use to listen to the clip with (as odd as that sounds).

Thanks Hircus!

marcus says

Your insistence on this after we've looked at it before is the ultimate example of the pathological dishonesty required to be a TRump Cuck. No better than Trump himself.

Marcus, the Golden Child said the jobs were never coming back. We've seen almost half a million of them come roaring back in just 21 months.

You did not address the huge role that Trump's Regulatory Rollback played in bringing jobs back, as well as reciprocal and putative tariffs on dishonest trade partners.

The fact is that almost 3 years into the Trump Presidency, the job growth and economic growth has been vastly superior to that of the Obama Administration.

Had 2009 and beyond been an ordinary recovery, the job gains and the growth should back been front loaded, not end loaded. That is, the biggest gains and growth should have been seen around 2011-2013, not in 2017-2019.

NASA! SCIENTISTS! SATELLITE! DATA!

6 degree DROPS! IN TEMPS! SOOT THE POLES NOW!

marcus says

You prove Obama to probably be correct. He didn't say it would never increase again. He said it wasn't coming back. Bama is a wonk, so he understands all to well that automation destroyed more American manufacturing jobs than exporting manufacturing jobs did.

Obama said they were NEVER coming back, Marcus. That's not "They might come back for a while, then go away again".

Obama is not a wonk, he was a goddamned Community Organizer and probably somebody's Operative.

NoCoupForYou says

goddamned Community Organizer

And a toady of Saul-Patron Saint of Losers-Alinsky

marcus says

Want to absolutely guarantee more Trump voters?

That will do it.

marcus says

Now you want me to be your bitch and just accept it ?

Woah, where did that come from.

Just saying that you won't convert anyone to your point of view by insulting them.

How about getting back to the business of representing the working class rather than representing only tech billionaires and gays?

marcus says

I agree. But Trump has in my view been more anti working class than any democrat would have been.

You don't know a single person in the working class do you, much less talk to them?

You can say Obama lies too("you can keep your doctor"), but it's nothing like the same.

No, he led us into the Syrian and Libyan wars. You don't know, because you don't fight these wars and don't know anybody that does.