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Shaman says

This is something a friend forwarded to me. No real confidence in it.
But who knows? I’m going to Havasu on the 5th, so not being in LA for any potential nuclear war seems like a good plan. Although I did book this trip a couple weeks ago.

Bet you a coke it doesn't happen.

Honestly, I think it's funny people think they will survive a nuclear war. You'll run out of supplies in short order, and starve to death, unless you're a Mormon in a very rural area. It would mean the end of our government and basically our technological society. Power will go out, that means the end of water, food supplies will stop moving, There's really no point in trying to survive.

Except that the same thing will happen in a million other scenarios due to the over-centralization of everything for majority of the population. This is literally what we've prepared for, what preppers can and will survive.

NuttBoxer says

Except that the same thing will happen in a million other scenarios due to the over-centralization of everything for majority of the population. This is literally what we've prepared for, what preppers can and will survive.

I’m more of a mind with this guy. I have the knowledge and the skill to make things work and keep my family alive. It’s really about making smart choices.
But Yah most people would just lie down and die.
But the prepping I’ve done has all been knowledge, not gear or supplies. I figure any disaster would require me to get out of the city area, so stockpiling food or gear wouldn’t gain me anything.

NuttBoxer says

Except that the same thing will happen in a million other scenarios due to the over-centralization of everything for majority of the population. This is literally what we've prepared for, what preppers can and will survive.

You could survive with a lot of food, in a remote area, with plenty of weaponry and ammo, and at least 2 people that can handle a weapon. If you have a year's worth of food, you damned well better know how to farm, and know people who currently are farming. You can be a slave to them. You'll be pulling a plow with an ox or a horse, so hopefully you are handy in making an old style plow. You will be weeding, as well. Better know how to can, and have canning supplies.

It's not just merely surviving the bomb itself - fertilizer will disappear, transportation will be gone. You'll have to get a source for water, and know how to filter it (really, just sand at the bottom will do in a bucket) - you'll have to boil it as well, so you'll need to collect basically wood.

Nuclear war is kind of silly, because nobody walks out with a better life and I know psychopaths, they won't take a step back ever.

It would be like going back to 1700 for everybody. If you have stockpiles of diesel and gasoline, that's great, but you'll only be able to burn it. Both are volatile and will stop working in engines after a year or two. I'd rather just quietly contemplate my death.

Slash and Burn FTW. No need to till, you'll get at least 2 years. Alot more if you incorporate green manure, let poultry run over it every few days to shit and eat bugs and aerate the soil with scratching, and do a host of things we've only understood in the past 2 centuries.

I just read a great blog piece by some hippies who brought a few acres up in Vermont. They turned to slash and burn after trying to improve the soil organically, tilling it, etc. all failed royally. They only got a 1:1.5 return on potatoes which is absolute shit. After slash and burn, they got 1:5 and they kept it up by THEN doing the green manure, organic composting stuff. The land they had wasn't exactly Central Valley California for fertility and climate, really only 1 growing season being mountainous hardscrabble (formerly) covered in pine woods.

I'll try to uh, dig it up, heh, but I didn't bookmark it or don't remember the name.

Biggest killers following a general collapse will be malaria, and water-borne diseases like typhoid, dysentery etc., along with forest fires until basic sanitation, plumbing, and basic services are restored. Most people overprepare for the Zombie Addict Biker Hordes and forget about the shits.

Where There is No Doctor (2011 Edition)

https://warriorpublications.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/where-there-is-no-doctor-2011.pdf

This is the book to have for TEOTWAKI, and the digital copy is provided free by the author.

It goes beyond most of the popular and shitty wilderness survival books, that are basically like "Keep your broken arm as immobile as possible and walk to safety" with minimal illustrations. Illustrates the common diseases of mankind, and how to treat them with mostly 3rd world tech. This book is a must, and it's FREE. I have a hard copy to support the author.

^^^^ Outstanding!

My wife has been looking for this for a while. Thanks!

Page 21 LOL!

It goes from greed to death by diarrhea haha...

I think I'll buy this too!

AmericanKulak says

This book is a must, and it's FREE

Glowing recommendation! I'll check it out right now. If it's worthwhile I'll definitely add it to my hard copy collection. If the power goes out, my PDFs ain't worth a damn!

Shaman says

I figure any disaster would require me to get out of the city area, so stockpiling food or gear wouldn’t gain me anything.

Unless it was also done at a location outside the city...

richwicks says

You could survive with a lot of food, in a remote area, with plenty of weaponry and ammo, and at least 2 people that can handle a weapon. If you have a year's worth of food, you damned well better know how to farm, and know people who currently are farming. You can be a slave to them. You'll be pulling a plow with an ox or a horse, so hopefully you are handy in making an old style plow. You will be weeding, as well. Better know how to can, and have canning supplies.

My survival location has about 50 people committed to it. Several streams on the property. Gardening has been started. Chickens, sheep, cows all there already. I have ammo, toiletries, some food, and rations for about three months(or six?) for my family. As well as site is stocked with a years worth of food per member. I have a 9mm, 12 gauge, and will soon have a rifle that shoots .300 blackout. There are several additional shotguns and rifles at the location, and lots of ammo.

They do plan to survive even nuclear fallout, and run by ex-military, but I am a bit skeptical on that point as nuclear winter fucks all of us, almost no matter what. But I don't see happening as even the sociopaths would die.

NuttBoxer says

They do plan to survive even nuclear fallout, and run by ex-military, but I am a bit skeptical on that point as nuclear winter fucks all of us, almost no matter what. But I don't see happening as even the sociopaths would die.

Well, supposedly we have less than 48 hours left (!) if I'm to believe what Shaman posted, and I don't.

If the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant blows up, it will be like the Nordstream blowing up - nobody is going to believe Russia did it. Even if the US attacked Russia with a nuclear weapon or two after the fact, I don't think Russia would respond. I think Russia would just state "clearly the world can see the United States has gone insane, so the entire world must decapitate the United States".

And the world would agree because clearly it's run by insane people. Very clearly.

The US state department, the MIC, and the intelligence agencies has been such a bunch of fucking assholes in the last 20 years, that it won't be hard to get the ENTIRE planet to gang up on them, including Canada and Mexico.

Instead of Russia responding with a nuclear strike, I think it would make a lot more sense for them to get the ENTIRE REST of the world to kill off all of our ruling class, and I don't think common Americans would even try to stop them. It was our nation that created the "pandemic" after all. It's our nation that cut off ALL OF EUROPE from Russian energy. It's our nation that has been blowing up the Middle East for 20 years. It's our nation that uses the world's reserve currency as a weapon, and keeps diluting it constantly. It's our nation that started the Ukrainian war with the 2014 coup.

Everything I know about geopolitics, everybody in REAL POWER knows. Everybody. Angela Merkel knows the US overthrew Ukraine, even though she's out of power. Xi Jinping knows. Fumio Kishida knows, Narendra Modi knows. Modi is forced to ally himself with the Russians BTW - because without Russian fertilizer and energy, India will have a famine. He can't afford to have Russia become a nuclear wasteland.

Maybe this is the plan: make a one world government by making a singular threat - not space aliens, the United States.

In any nuclear exchange, the west coast is fucked due to fallout patterns, unless there are massive rain storms over the pacific.

IIRC, the last serious assessment of the outcome of nuclear war was conducted under Eisenhower in the late 1950's. This was an assessment based on 1/10 of the current weapons stockpile. The results were so horrifying in terms of deaths (IIRC over 50% of the US population in the first year alone), that no other studies were done thereafter.

I think that Ike's farewell address was influenced by what he learned in that study; namely, that if these weapons are ever to be used, they would eliminate human civilization and probably throw us back to the condition of the human race 70,000 years ago in the aftermath of the Toba mega eruption, where it's estimated that less than 1,000 breeding pairs of humans survived - that is why humans, among all the primates, have the least genetic diversity.

Shaman says

This is something a friend forwarded to me. No real confidence in it.
But who knows? I’m going to Havasu on the 5th, so not being in LA for any potential nuclear war seems like a good plan. Although I did book this trip a couple weeks ago.

I checked, it was sunny and nice in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. How strange it wasn't bombed.

It's 04:11 AM as I type this, July 5th in Ukraine. It's July 4th, 18:11 in Commie Fornia, USA.

I suggest you remove your source, as a "source" but there is like 16 hours of bullshit to go through.. Maybe the operation had a hiccup, but maybe this was just bullshit. Russia controls this plant now, the only way to bomb it is from the air now, or explosives left behind.

richwicks says

Well, supposedly we have less than 48 hours left (!) if I'm to believe what Shaman posted, and I don't.

Russia has pulled out their troops from the area, very recently. There was talk of this being done before at another nuclear plant. I wouldn't put it past any of them(Putin, Biden, Zelensky) to stage a nuclear accident to gain power.

It’s probably woo, but just because something has never happened doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen, or couldn’t happen tomorrow.
I don’t trust the people who run the world. Satanist pedophiles, all of them.
They’d initiate WWIII convinced in their own invincibility.

Shaman says

It’s probably woo, but just because something has never happened doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen, or couldn’t happen tomorrow.
I don’t trust the people who run the world. Satanist pedophiles, all of them.
They’d initiate WWIII convinced in their own invincibility.

Consider the mentality of somebody who would make a post in an attempt to incite panic. Somewhere out there there's some fucking bastard cunt asshole out there that posted this:



So, is this just some twat kid, or some fucker in the intelligence agencies?

One thing I've noticed over many years, is normally the average person is pretty decent, but as soon as it's government, it's a twat.

If the internet says it’s sunny outside I usually check for myself and more often than not it’s raining!

I don’t believe most of what I see on the internet these days.
It’s usually fake or some troll winding up people. And then all the grifters join in with decode intel comm videos all trying to sell something from cable tv subscriptions to water filters to lost alien technology to scratch cards. And then their follow grifters endorse and approve as if this somehow proves it is all true. And then more bots appear to upvote or down vote and around and around we go in circles getting absolutely nowhere.

Nothing has happened. No zombie apocalypse, alien invasion, martial law military coup, stock market collapse (in fact Nasdaq 100 is at a yearly high). Nothing.

And yet people still peddle and believe in rumours that something is gonna happen “soon” but don’t ask them when “soon” is. I can understand why they get sucked down into these rabbit holes because so much of what is happening in the world today doesn’t make sense. I could offer explanations but I haven’t got any proof and I’d probably just be digging another hole (for myself mostly!)

Critical thinkers (like myself ;-) though I have been fooled before) just look at the track record of all these claims and see how most of the population suffer from attention deficit disorder. They totally forget what bs they believed in 6 months ago only focusing on this weeks bs. One example is where King Charles III was alleged to have been executed a long time ago yet yesterday he enjoyed his 2nd Coronation as King of Scotland. No doubt true believers will say all of this is a ruse and it was a masked man, avatar, cgi, robot, lizard that got crowned because somehow that’s part of the plan to wake people up.

It doesn’t matter to me if there is a hidden war going on in the background with countless parties spreading misinformation and counter disinformation, with 1000’s of so called patriot truthers repeating (often incorrectly) anything that pops up in their social media feeds. I can’t verify anything, I won’t act on anything. It’s a waste of my time to follow any of it. I will just live my life and prepare for any eventuality as best I can.

charlie303 says

It doesn’t matter to me if there is a hidden war going on in the background with countless parties spreading misinformation and counter disinformation, with 1000’s of so called patriot truthers repeating (often incorrectly) anything that pops up in their social media feeds.

THIS bothers me.

The point of the internet is global communication to end war, to end frauds, to stop propaganda.

But there are people who do the exact opposite, do everything in their power to do it. Why? Conflict is not good for society, reduction of conflict is.

I know there's assholes out there that want to start a war for NO OTHER REASON than they want to sell weapons. I think the problem is that your average "normal" person simply doesn't comprehend what a sociopath really is.

We just went through a fake pandemic, and people still aren't aware of what sociopaths are in power. They happily pushed a bunch of experimental vaccines into arms, and what has that done? Even the sociopaths don't know, and they don't care, but underneath that of the "banality of evil", is a reason for it. I wonder what just happened? Global experimentation? Population reduction? It couldn't have just been about selling worthless vaccines that didn't work, if they wanted to do that, they could have just injected everybody with saline.

Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully. I meant there is nothing I can do, nothing I can prove and so I can’t let it concern me too much.
I’m absolutely horrified that people took the jab but to this day they won’t change their beliefs. Many are still lining up for more shots and many will stay that way until the day they die. I could show them all the threads on Patrick.net about the vaccine and all they would do is accuse me of being a flat earther. Hard experience has shown me that I’m not going to change anybody’s view and in fact I’m just creating stress and problems for myself.
I understand and agree with your points about sociopaths and the elites who hold us in contempt. I would love to end global war and I am concerned about a nuclear World War 3. I just see the internet as causing just as many problems as it was meant to solve.
And there’s little I can do about that. I’m not getting lost though in some impotent, black pilled depression. I’m just focusing on my own life. I’m as ready as I’ll ever be for monumental change.

charlie303 says

Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully. I meant there is nothing I can do, nothing I can prove and so I can’t let it concern me too much.

Well, this may be the difference, I feel partially responsible for this mess. I was at CableLabs in 1995. If you have a DOCSIS cable modem, SOME of my work may be in that.

I watch what is going on carefully. I was APPALLED when the Bush administration was able to lie us into Iraq, but the Internet was still "fairly new" then but now everybody is on it. There's considerable pushback against agendas, companies that we helped created now push for the wars we wanted to prevent, they push censorship. That blindsided me, I never saw that happening, I thought Google was going to be an adversary to the corporate mass media, not cooperate with it. How naive I was, but Yandex popped up. Many others.

charlie303 says

all they would do is accuse me of being a flat earther.

And that's the purpose of that psy-op. They do not exist as a real group. I've been on the Internet since 1989, people who believed (supposedly) in the flat earth didn't show up until 2010 or so. I've seen ALL sorts of crazies, but not them. 99.9% of them aren't serious. They are like the Church of the Subgenius, which exists just to make fun of religion. The people who are "members" will SWEAR UP AND DOWN they believe in it as a REAL religion, but they don't.



The point of the flat earth psy-op is to get people to associate any ACTUAL government conspiracy, with a ridiculous one. "Oh, you don't think vaccines are safe effective? You must be crazy!"

charlie303 says

Hard experience has shown me that I’m not going to change anybody’s view and in fact I’m just creating stress and problems for myself.

Oh no, I disagree. Our society is wildly different than it was 40 years ago. There's still the cows and sheep of society today, but 40 years ago, that's practically all there was - and this is not because they were stupid, it was just impossible to access information.

Stress is in your mind. You allow yourself to feel it, but I'll warn you, if you just eliminate it, it's like removing your ability to feel pain. Pain warns you about doing things that will harm you. I don't have any stress.

charlie303 says

I understand and agree with your points about sociopaths and the elites who hold us in contempt. I would love to end global war and I am concerned about a nuclear World War 3.

We have been in World War 3 for a long time, but it won't go nuclear. Nuclear war doesn't advantage anybody, and for that reason alone, it will never be done.

The fear of war is used to control the population. "Back up your government or bad things will happen, NOT FROM US, of course, from outside forces..."

charlie303 says

I just see the internet as causing just as many problems as it was meant to solve.

It's a sorting thing. It solves a lot of problems, but it creates others for those that allow it to control them.

Take this transgender nonsense for example - as cruel as this sounds, it's merely a voluntary eugenics program.

I know we're going through growing pains, but democratization of information is essential to human development.

charlie303 says

And there’s little I can do about that. I’m not getting lost though in some impotent, black pilled depression. I’m just focusing on my own life. I’m as ready as I’ll ever be for monumental change.

Black pill is temporary. First you're oblivious, then you are lost and confused, then you understand how dark it is (that's the black pill) then you start coming out of it and coming up with solutions on how to fix the problem.

The country itself is in this low state right now. I was there at least 15 years ago. There ARE solutions, but the first step in fixing a problem is showing there's a problem.

We have a senile, pedophile, that wasn't elected as "president" with a crackwhore son. I can laugh at this, but many people don't. I don't regard Biden as any different at all to Obama or George W. Bush. They are puppets. I saw this over 15 years ago when FEW people did. It didn't matter who we elected, if Al Gore was president in 2000 to 2004, we would still have gone to war with Iraq - just different lies to do it. It would have been about "humanitarian reasons" - "We supported Hussein in the 1980's, and we have a MORAL OBLIGATION to repair that mistake" or some other nonsense.

This is just clown world to me. It was funny 2 years ago, and I'm no longer laughing. I wish society would catch up to me, until they do, we're stuck with this shitty government.

charlie303 says

Nothing has happened. No zombie apocalypse, alien invasion, martial law military coup, stock market collapse (in fact Nasdaq 100 is at a yearly high). Nothing

Nothing yet.

Did you ever think our government, in concert with many governments all over the world, would try to make us take a potentially fatal shot every four months or we couldn't work or travel? I never guessed that one. Stock market collapse is mild by comparison.

richwicks says

I know there's assholes

You mean, "there're assholes".

Onvacation says

richwicks says

I know there's assholes

You mean, "there're assholes".

Ugh, yes, but I gave up being a grammar Nazi in my 20's. I used to be obsessed with it. I'm NOT fixing my post.

Just my feeble attempt at being funny.

Onvacation says

Just my feeble attempt at being funny.

Haha, I'm not offended. You're correct, but I will display my error.

richwicks says

The point of the internet is global communication to end war, to end frauds, to stop propaganda.

The original purpose of the Internet was an unstoppable comm system in case of nuclear war. The things you mention are unfortunate (from governments pov) side effects.

The internet may usher in a new age of unprecedented world freedom or be the mechanism that enslaves us all.

Time tells truths that now will never know.

richwicks says

Consider the mentality of somebody who would make a post in an attempt to incite panic. Somewhere out there there's some fucking bastard cunt asshole out there that posted this:

I actually think posts like this are SUPER important. Something came out in the past year about a covid shot manufacturing plant being the target of a false flag attack. Never happened. Similarly I think we remember the small-pox vials that went missing from a university. Myself and a LOT of other people bought the natural cure for smallpox(a flower tincture). Never happened either.

But here's my point. If we're on to them from the get-go, do they abandon the plan because they've lose the element of surprise and credibility? Definitely possible. Surveillance works both ways, and I'd rather have someone calling out every possible false flag, and not one ever happen, then everyone asleep at the wheel, and get taken the way alot of us did on 9/11, during the Scamdemic, etc.

Onvacation says

Did you ever think our government, in concert with many governments all over the world, would try to make us take a potentially fatal shot every four months or we couldn't work or travel? I never guessed that one.

Now that I see just how genocidal the NSA/Pfizer complex really is, I have to revise my opinions of the Kennedy assassinations and 9/11. They now seem pretty certain to have been US government operations.

https://freebeacon.com/elections/documents-provide-rare-glimpse-into-how-arabella-advisors-exerts-centralized-control-over-a-vast-left-wing-advocacy-network/

Documents Provide Rare Glimpse Into How Arabella Advisors Exerts Centralized Control Over a Vast Left-Wing Advocacy Network

Andrew Kerr and Joseph Simonson
July 10, 2023
The Student Experience Research Network sounds innocuous enough. The organization says it exists to "advance the research, relationships, and capacity necessary to build an education system in which every student experiences respect as a valued person and thinker."

In reality, the group funds research with the goal of promoting DEI practices in education and partners with other left-wing organizations to promote "inclusive mathematics environments" and push universities to abandon standardized tests. Earlier this month, the Student Experience Research Network took a victory lap after the University of California system said it would toss out the SAT in its admissions process.

The Student Experience Research Network and hundreds of other left-wing activist groups like it are controlled from the top down by Arabella Advisors, a for-profit consultancy that plays an integral role in Democratic causes, fueled by donations from billionaires including George Soros and Pierre Omidyar. The company, which distributes billions to Democratic pet projects, has established five tax-exempt nonprofit groups that pay Arabella a hefty fee—ostensibly for back-office work—and in turn operate a vast array of left-wing advocacy groups including the Student Experience Research Network.

Patrick says

From 1945 and 1946.

https://startlemag.substack.com/p/vehemence-memes

Greetings Earthlings! Ratio here…

Are we experiencing slavery? Is it first world slavery?

CIA Rabbit holes present themselves to your sphere with their gravitational pull and you are lucky to pull up long enough before you tell your conspiracy friends you “figured it all out”.

Just think, the second I write this, the second you click on this it is flagged in a NSA database somewhere and turns up in a queue of an analyst who then reviews it and flags it further to at some point maybe bring it to someone’s attention. The criteria are set forth. Something like, if the content creator has millions of followers then lets engage our partners in big tech to tamp down the energy involved with a potential outcome of an awakening that might challenge the power structure.

I wonder, though, how far it goes back - the power structure. Are we talking as far back as the masons? Is it the Sumerians? Bible timelines? Did it start with the Nephilim? Were we implanted here on Earth after the atmosphere of Mars collapsed? Was it when Tiamat/Planet X destroyed the planet between Mars and Jupiter to give us the Asteroid belt? ...

When it comes down to it we are dealing with evil. The type of evil that exists in the world today that says, yes, we need control over the global money supply and siphon off profits indefinitely and set up the system so there is no way around it.

The shear amount of freedom individuals have today is staggering. There are no internal barriers stopping people from traveling pretty much anywhere in the US, and minimal paperwork to travel pretty much anywhere in the world.

Educational opportunities are available to pretty much anyone in any field.

Yes, who your Daddy is does make a difference, but individual effort is by far the determining factor.

Misc says

but individual effort is by far the determining factor.

Absolutely. Trust fund babies have a distinct edge, but they are rather rare.

Misc says

There are no internal barriers stopping people from traveling pretty much anywhere in the US, and minimal paperwork to travel pretty much anywhere in the world.

Try going anywhere without a license and registration. Try driving around SoCal and Arizona without ever stopping at a checkpoint. Try crossing into Mexico and back without having to speak to anyone or show any papers. Try traveling to countries that still require proof of the shot without having that proof. Try traveling to any country without a passport.

What you see as freedom, your forefathers saw as tyranny.

NuttBoxer says

Try traveling to any country without a passport.

I was surprised to learn that passports are a fairly recent invention, about 1900 I think.

I believe they specifically came out of WWI or II in Europe, then were spread to the rest of the world. I'm sure it was all quite intentional.