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and don't try to make spiffy references to ancient Monty Python skits
3) The side effects: I think the vaccine is new and a novel type, and people are reasonable to view it as unproven and without a long track record of use. I think the actual documented side effects are much lower than the actual documented benefits. Other people think the side effects are high rates of death and giving the vaccine is akin to murdering someone.
Whatever was going on in that period of time was WORSE than the the worst recent flu season by multiples. IF it wasnt Covid that did that, what was it?
But patrick, one of the worst recent flu season is jan 2018. Its right there on the left side of this chart. If you are saying its same as flu, why did all these extra people die in may 2020-may 2021?
Whatever was going on in that period of time was WORSE than the the worst recent flu season by multiples. IF it wasnt Covid that did that, what was it?
I am laughing so hard at those of you who think you actually are debating this guy.
You're being strung along.
certain governors sent infected people to nursing homes. They also denied treatment until patients were beyond help. They then developed protocols to kill any survivors.
I am laughing so hard at those of you who think you actually are debating this guy.
You're being strung along.
cisTits says
I am laughing so hard at those of you who think you actually are debating this guy.
You're being strung along.
I tend to agree with this point of view. No one has to be a scientist, doctor or politician to understand and see what's in front of their face if we're talking Covid. It's not even an argument. It's flat out lying. People that die of Covid were borderline dead already. This is 1,000% fact.
I've yet to read, hear, see a documented case of a healthy human dying from covid. I don't even know anyone that's died from the flu in my life. It's incredibly rare. Yet we fucked up the world for years, probably a decade because of a flu.
While I agree with you that no one should be strapped down and forced to get an injection they dont want
I DO believe that there is room in society for injections as a condition of entry into certain employers/schools and locations where communicable disease may be likely to transmit.
MMR shots for school kids to attend a school.
decisions made by elected officials/lawmakers who can be voted out if we want change
think people who do it should be hung or shot
I think we would still have polio endemic in this country if we adopted your position.
The fact is that today, there is no constitutional protection in the bill of rights saying you cant have vaccines as a requirement to go to school (or work). And vaccines in schools has been the standard for many years. DPT, MMR, theres a few others we all got when we were kids. used to be polio but not anymore since it has been nearly eradicated.
OK. Honestly I dont see this really going anywhere, because we dont agree on even basic facts.
With data analytics and all the resources available to big tech and big media have we reached the day and age where the powers that be can steal an election not just by stuffing ballot boxes but by simply manipulating people to vote in a predetermined fashion? That is perhaps where we are today. In the big cities where analytics and liberal philosophy are the most prolific and effective there is nary a conservative voice. They have succeeded in convincing a sizable minority even in traditionally red states that things like the bill of rights are antiquated and irrelevant. The slow grind of manipulating the way people think starts at birth and continues life long. Computer and phone logs, listening in on phones and smart devices etc.. has given them access to understand and manipulate people in ways they don’t even perceive or understand themselves.
A few break free from the matrix but they tend to get wrapped up in the diversions and lunacy of Alex Jones and ot...
And vaccines in schools has been the standard for many years. DPT, MMR, theres a few others we all got when we were kids. used to be polio but not anymore since it has been nearly eradicated.
That is what I said in another thread. Big data and big media have successfully created an alternate reality where in conservatives are liars who believe lies and only liberal Democrats have a true narrative.
Liberals live in an alternate reality wherein it is not tolerated to consider any information that does not fit the narrative.
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines. THIS vaccine doesn't work. There is not enough data on it, but enough to show it doesn't work. Vaccines take years to develop. Sometimes a decade. At least for it to be safe and no side effects. THIS vaccine has known side effects that I've witnessed more than people dropping dead from Covid.
WookieMan says
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
Patrick himself is. Or rather anti MANDATING any vaccine as condition of entry to schools or employers. That's who I am addressing with those responses.
WookieMan says
I don't think there's a user here that is anti ALL vaccines
Patrick himself is. Or rather anti MANDATING any vaccine as condition of entry to schools or employers. That's who I am addressing with those responses.
It's as if the entire world were forced to take a new kind of very profitable Thalidomide to just see what happens, and to make money for Pfizer.
What I can't understand is how you could possibly think this is OK in any universe.
Right, after this Nazi-level nightmare, I'm strongly opposed to all vaccine MANDATES. I had not really thought about the human rights aspect of mandated injections until the problem was forced on us all.
I disagree, because I think vaccine mandates ARE within their authority
In most cases there was some (somewhat inconvenient) opt out.
Do you see any limit at all to that authority?
The stormtroopers coming to forcibly inject me even if I already opted out of attending the school/workplace that set the vaccine-for-entry requirement. That would be the limit where I crack open my gun safe.
this is not tyranny.
That did not happen, and even though YOU said there was some rumor of that, It wasn't a rumor I ever heard, or a scenario I thought was remotely likely.
So, boosters every day of a new vaxx developed in the last month and tested on, say, 8 mice and no humans wouldn't bother you?
"Take ze experimental jab or you can't work!" If that's not tyranny, what is?
Still I wouldn't be advocating to shoot or hang anyone.
DeficitHawk says
Still I wouldn't be advocating to shoot or hang anyone.
Why not? They killed plenty of people, kids and adolescents with the mandated clot shots. Life long prison at least.
'take the jab or you cant work here'.
I have a friend that worked at a credit union for thirty years. She was fired for not wanting to take an experimental biologic agent. I guess she can learn to code at home.
These are elected officials acting within their authority
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By polite, I mean refraining from attacking the person in either direction, but sticking to points of argument instead. So no "You are a (whatever)" will not be allowed. The only appropriate use of "you" will be "Here you said..."
I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%. I said, "well, that's California" and so he accused me of being an "election denier". I asked if he'd seen "2000 Mules" and he said he hadn't "because it's been debunked". Uh, it's the same people who committed the election fraud who are claiming that "2000 Mules" was debunked.
Nor had he heard what was on Hunter's laptop, since he watches only corporate news.
I think I might have made a dent in his wall of denial, and I'd like to try with others.