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marcus says

Patrick says

The ruling parties thought they had successfully and permanently killed democracy... until the people disobeyed direct orders to vote for Hillary and elected Trump instead.

I was agreeing with much of what you said, until here. But also the "them" behind globalization was something that made sense to many of us.

IT always seemed to me that some sort of world cooperation, if not world government was inevitable, if we were to have hope of avoiding nuclear war and if we had hope of protecting the global environment.

Something like a U.N., that is sort of, to the worlds states, the way the US to it's states. We've been gradually moving in that direction, becasue of collective common sense. IT's a way we might sustain humanity.

The idea that avoiding the destruction of the planet through nuclear world war or environmental degradation is someone elses proble...

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down.

In the communist era, we advocated for capitalism. WE advocated for global capitalism that would be better for the world than communism. In my view globalization was a consequence of that. IT certainly wasn't a leftist conspiracy.

"We're not here to call bluffs -- we're here to find the truth, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. This is not a game for us. This is deadly serious."

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Woman CAN tell a joke.

TrumpingTits says

Too bad logic & facts pissed all over it, eh?

Where are these "facts"? Certainly not in your post.

"The U.S. factory sector declined in the three months ended in June, the second straight quarterly decline, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday.
For the second quarter, production was down 1.2% after a 1.9% decline in the first three months of the year. Manufacturing fell at a 2.2% rate in the second quarter after a 1.9% drop in the first three months of the year."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-industrial-production-slumps-in-second-quarter-2019-07-16

TrumpingTits says

They are only in historical context. In Trump Era context, they have gone down

This passes for "logic " in your world? 'Crossing are only high by historical standards, but they've gone down under Trump'. That doesn't even make sense. If they're high by historical standards, then that means they are higher now than they were in the past. Higher than under Obama, higher than under Bush.

You have no room to lecture people on critical thinking skills if this is what passes for yours.

@marcus I don't think globalization was a leftist conspiracy either. Both parties were in on it big time, because there was (and is) big money to be made in taking bribes from China, and much bigger money to be made outsourcing US manufacturing there.

I'm just very disappointed in the Democratic Party, which used to be the party of working people, but now has completely abandoned that and instead is taking money from Soros etc to divide the public with divisive and irrelevant sexual issues.

I'm not disappointed in the Republicans because I expected nothing else from them.

I'm happy that Trump is out there annoying millions of hypocritical Democrats by pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life, and he does it extremely well.

marcus says

@PAtrick. This (above) was actually meant to be a thoughtful response showing my point of view and the extent to which I reject the globalization boogeyman. But yes globalization has been happening. And it's not all good, although by many measures the quality of life in third world countries has gone up more than ours has gone down

Helping other nations of the world at our expense is stupid. World isn't reciprocal, once others rise up, they just kill previous leaders. That's entire fucking human history.

If Pelosi manages to indict in the house, it goes to the senate. In the senate, Trump has (slight ... we hope) majority support. The senate can bring all sorts of witnesses, issue all sorts of subpoenas, and raise all sorts of questions. Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me.

How would the senate act? If the Republicans join the Democrats and vote to remove Trump, the entire Republican party is done. Sitting R senators will lose their seats — which R senators are going to vote for that?

Quigley says

personal

It was worth it...

Patrick says

pointing out their betrayal of the country. That is his function in life

MOre like your fantasy reason that makes no sense for voting for him, when we all know your real reason.

It's true that democrats aren't representing the interests of workers, but campaign finance regulations, or the lack there of are what have guaranteed that.

It's almost as if you think Trump gives a fuck about the working people ?

SunnyvaleCA says

Does Pelosi really want to hand the Republican-run senate an enormous public forum 8 months before the election? Sounds like a bigly dumb move to me

And she’s not dumb, she just plays dumb on tv for her dumb constituents. If she actually pulls the trigger on impeachment, she might as well be signing her own resignation as Speaker. There’s no way all those freshman Congress critters will retain their marginal seats with a groundswell of public disapproval brought on by the coup attempt and its inevitable failure.

marcus says

when we all know your real reason.

Marcus the mind reader.

Didnt you know Dems are magic!

And they have cell phones! At least they aren't starving.

jazz_music says

Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.

How's that working out for Biden?

It's almost as if you think Trump gives a fuck about the working people ?

Yes, Trump is the only one fighting the unfettered illegal migration that drives down wages, and the only one fighting to bring factory jobs back from slave labor China.

How's that working out for Biden?

And Clintons. Billy boy got his wife elected Senator by displacing whoever would have ran in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's guaranteed Dem would win district, then tried to get her elected President. Now Chelsea is a "definite maybe" for NY 17th House district.

Our workplace streams CNN 24/7 on giant monitors and I can confirm that this whole Ukraine nonsense has officially left the news. Crazy how the left blows up and hammers it a million times into your head that the orange man is bad, then drops the story when they can't prove jack.

It really gets old. Trump is going to win 2020 due to this nonsense.

Discovery and cross examination are the dire enemies of the LibbyFucks and they know it. It is going to be fake news and throwing mud with no follow through. It's why they can't do what they do without abridging process, engaging in selective, abusive prosecution, and generally wiping their asses with the Constitution.

Did you know politicians will say anything to get your vote!?!?

Too bad OP didn't just use critical thinking skills to analyze taxes over this period. He would have quickly seen that taxes have never been cut. Or use critical thinking to understand that government never gives back power once obtained, and taxes are their sole source or revenue, so cutting them would require giving up power.

So the real tragedy here is the absence of critical thinking skills...

Yep!

First in drone bombings and killings!
First in imperialism!
First in national debt size!
First in murder(some call "defense") contract spending!
First in number of illegals flooding the country!
First in social services offered to illegals once they arrive!
First in prison population(% and overall)!

Way to DRAIN THAT SWAMP!!!

WaltertheoFlanders says

Can you point to anything that says different? I didn't think so.

Uh - maybe the fact that Pelosi won't allow a vote for a formal impeachment inquiry?

WaltertheoFlanders says

Which is up to her to decide. Is there any rule or law saying she must have a vote?

Then the Media can stop breathlessly reporting 24/7 that the House is proceeding with impeachment. All we currently have is just more fishing by Schiff for brains and the rest of the girls in the Democrat party.

Check out CNN's twitter video on impeachment today.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1184499288283459584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184499288283459584&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Ftimothymeads%2F2019%2F10%2F16%2Fsure-looks-like-cnn-just-confirmed-project-veritass-whistleblower-is-telling-the-truth-n2554852

Yep, if there is no vote and no movement and no discovery and no revealed exculpatory evidence then there never will be either an impeachment or a trial. Pelosi and the media are currently trying to back away slowly from the mess they caused. I think they chickened out when they saw the polls showing Trump’s approval numbers RISING in spite of their efforts to smear/impeach him yet again.
America is on to the Demoncrats and we know the media is fake news. We aren’t fooled. The tail can no longer wag the dog.

OccasionalCortex says

they can't really present Articles of Impeachment w/o having that full vote to start the investigation.

I do not think impeachment is the goal. Perhaps influencing next elections is the goal - they try to throw all type of made-up shit and hope that something will stick.

OccasionalCortex says

Just Losers doing what Losers do best. Lose!

3. Conceal exculpatory evidence, while selectively leaking stuff to make Trump look bad.
4. Prevent Trump/GOP from challenging witnesses and presenting exculpatory evidence to the Public.
5. Motivate the base, pretending they're actually doing something concrete beyond smearing with selective leaks.
6. Without putting vulnerable purple/swing state Dems at risk with a vote.

Shouldn't the Judiciary Committee be involved in an Impeachment inquiry?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Among the lurid details of the lawsuit, Jane Doe alleged Trump tied her to a bed, "forcibly raped" her and threatened her and her family with physical harm, if not death, if she told anyone about the assault.

This is clearly false. Trump is incapable of paying attention to another human being for this length of time, much less tying a knot.

He's approaching 80. The botox and face-lift though were a moderate success I'd say. Much harder to do that for the brain.

It's a debate with millionaires arguing with other millionaires about how evil millionaires are.

Booger says

That being said, I would favor and - with the right circumstances and temporary provisions - support a wealth tax on extremely high net-worth people over any income tax or capital gains tax increase. It's a decent TEMPORARY tool to balance out inequality and balance budgets.

Another allegation.

Look, George W. Bush murdered between 100,000 and 1,000,000 people by lying about a non existent weapons of mass destruction program.

Obama spent 8 years bombing 7 nations and is the principle reason there are millions of refugees in Europe, creating havoc.

Let's say Trump DID rape this a girl 25 years ago. He's still much less of a monster than the last two prezdidents. Wake me up when he starts a new war, then I'll want him out of office, but not before then.

richwicks says

Another allegation.

Look, George W. Bush murdered between 100,000 and 1,000,000 people by lying about a non existent weapons of mass destruction program.

Obama spent 8 years bombing 7 nations and is the principle reason there are millions of refugees in Europe, creating havoc.

Let's say Trump DID rape this a girl 25 years ago. He's still much less of a monster than the last two prezdidents. Wake me up when he starts a new war, then I'll want him out of office, but not before then.

Agreed.

Tim Aurora says

hope some republicans join them and Trump turf democrats can abstain.

That is some wishful thinking.

SO the plan is to investigate until they find some impeachable offense that they can then bring up for a vote in the HOPE that some rhino's will vote for it so some democrats can avoid being associated with it.

Did I get that right?

jazz_music says

THOUSANDS MORE TROOPS????
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/trump-admin-sending-thousands-more-troops-saudi-arabia-n1065051

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/16/trump-deployment-troops-saudi-arabia-abandoning-syria-iran-attacks/

Here's what your source for that information is:

www.youtube.com/embed/XNk7H3wX5SY

Don't you get it yet? All corporate "news" is propaganda. You have absolutely no idea what is going on. None. They just fucking lie, outright. Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet? Who in the media questioned that bullshit? Oh, Phil Donahue, and he was fired over it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program

Nothing our corporate propaganda tells us can be trusted. Nothing. Remember those "limpet mine" attacks, carried about by Iran? Those false flags? We'd be at war with Iran if Hillary Cunt was president, and you goddamned well know it.

By this time into each of their first terms in their presidency, both Obozo and Duh had began new wars. That alone makes Trump vastly superior to those fucks. Appreciate what you got because anybody else would be busy lying us into another fucking war, doubling down on all the current ones, as the media all collectively ejaculated in their pants over it.

6rdB says

I do not think impeachment is the goal. Perhaps influencing next elections is the goal

Bingo! And this "impeachment inquiry" is going to continue until the next election. No kidding, it will. This is all the Democrat leadership has. They know they can't impeach him because they don't have any crimes, so they are going to waste a whole year pretending to be investigating in the hope that it will hurt his chances of re-election.

All they need to do is recover DNA from Hunter's cocaine straws.

Booger says

It's a debate with millionaires arguing with other millionaires about how evil millionaires are.

More like 'bribery and lobbying sink holes'.

jazz_music says

According to a new report from Freedom House

jazz_music says

The nation’s core institutions, the report says

jazz_music says

Another new report assessing

jazz_music says

The bipartisan joint report from Protect Democracy

jazz_music says

The report breaks down the dangers into six

Gee, where is the report itself? Who are the people who wrote it? What are their credentials? What is their history?

This is what you are actually being fed:


Toxic Sludge Is Good For You

Seriously, that book is an easy read, will take you less than 3 hours to read it, and will explain precisely how propaganda is disseminated in the United States. It was written nearly 30 years ago.