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jazz_music says

I don’t when it comes to personal abuse for rejecting cult lore.

No one abused you though. There's a difference between being critical and personal.

You're entitled to feel the way you want, but the comment shouldn't have been flagged. I've agreed and disagreed with many users here. A lot recently that I may have agreed with in the past. I like your posts in the music thread. We can all exist together and not be so dramatic. It is possible.

jazz_music says

If you flip the subject to personal attack I will flag you every time fuck everyone who doesn’t like it.

What personal attack? Quote my "personal attack". I know basic logic and I don't engage in ad-hominem. I want to know what you think in order to judge if I'm wrong, and I want you to know what I think, so you MIGHT consider you are wrong. We can both be wrong of course. I honestly want to know if I'm incorrect. I'll adjust immediately when shown to be wrong and that's happened a lot, to such an extent, it's now noticeably more rare.

If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking, correct me, but people do follow patterns. I'm not saying I'm above being propagandized, but I know I'm not, that gives me an advantage over 99% of the population - just being aware I can be swayed by it. You accused me of being a Fox news, Limbaugh, and Breitbart drone. I'm not, and I corrected you on that. You consider it a personal attack when I think you have binary thinking in this regard. All corporate news is useless, it's not information. At very best it's entertainment, and at worst, it's just propaganda.

jazz_music says

richwicks says

Find that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html

There’s no lie there.

The straight up lies setting up America for war over nukes came from Fox every day.

Yeah, I know. I agree with you completely. Fox news was called Faux News for a reason.

jazz_music says

Everything is another excuse to shovel trillions of dollars to the banks now and the biggest tax evaders too. Socialism for the rich only. The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down because we are not feared. GOP has passed horrible punishments against people who protest publicly.

And who in the "mainstream media" objects? Who is against this in our corporate propaganda?

I don't know if you favor socialism or not, but if there is more socialism, it's people like George W. Bush and Barack Obama that determines how the money is spent. Give the government $1.00 for education, and you get $0.05 back to implement it the rest is stolen along the way.

You might think corporations are evil, and they absolutely can be, but you aren't forced to pay them - but with government, that's a monopoly. Comcast F'ed me over, guess who I don't do business with as a result? My government has F'ed me over, I still pay taxes.

logic says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Facts would be nice. Fiction based left opinion, not so much.

Did you bother to click on the links to the supporting articles? It's not hard.

Then it’s also not hard for you to research and put into your own words while linking to your evidence.

Your article is political propaganda. A pile of bullshit.

How’s them apples for you?

jazz_music says

If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post

I am going to point out that your stated reason for flagging me is something you did first. I don't expect you to think about that, but if you chose, you can think about that. We are all hypocritical to some extent.

With regard to the original poster, I pointed out the sources in the cited report are not reliable. From what I saw, and I did not go through all of it, it was all from mainstream "news" references - this is not research. It's not real research at all. I'm telling you regardless of whether you believe me, the United States doesn't have a free, honest press. It doesn't have actual investigative journalists. Our news media is more like Pravda and Izvestia of the USSR in 1985 than the US news system of the US was. There is no truth, there is no news. Its now effecting research.

It's all BS. It's been this way for decades. You've not seen that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet and you've not seen that Russian Collusion yet. They're just lies. Syria and Libya were other types of lies. When a Democrat is in power, it's for "humanitarian reasons" but it's a lie. Republicans sell war as a way to protect against a threat, Democrats sell war for "humanitarian reasons". If Gore were president in 2000 (and he probably won the election with those hanging chads) the US would have attacked Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a very bad man that we erroneously supported in the 1980's and we needed to correct our mistake. It would have had the same result, but the Democratic peons would have supported it, and the Republican peons would have opposed it.

You need to realize that the only difference between the leadership of the left and right, are the lies they tell to get your support. They do the same thing, but tell you different lies about why they are doing it. It's just a criminal syndicate. All reasons you are given are propaganda. We never go to war for the reasons that are stated.

logic says

So, do you trust any media?

Fk no, none of it, unless I can personally verify to some reasonable degree... I free range.... both sides come in from the yard with dog shit on their shoes
and stink to high heaven. Your points I have studied enough and am able to confidently call B S on the premise of what you are trying to pump as truth.

jazz_music says

richwicks says

If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking

The subject is spelled out in the OP along with 5 or so variations.

I’m done talking about this

If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post

How am I "assessing people negatively"?

This is another trick in a debate - this is called a strawman.

But I'm not in a debate and neither are you. If I'm incorrect, explain how I'm incorrect. I do not want to stupidly win an argument. I may very well be wrong, but you have to explain how I am otherwise I will not see how I am wrong. There is no shame in being incorrect in my opinion, there is shame in continuing a misconception when you realize it is though.

I'm extremely pliable in that I will readily agree when I'm error but I need to understand when and how I'm wrong.

I do not think less of you because I think you are incorrect. We all have infinite ignorance, I just think you lack knowledge, which is not a personal failure in any way. Having said that, it could be ME, that has a lack of knowledge. I cannot know unless you show me to be incorrect.

When our number 1 disease expert Dr. Fauci claiming this wasn't a danger to Americans on Jan 24th...the experts were not prepared for this. And was it their fault? No. China deliberately withheld information.

richwicks says

How an I "assessing people negatively"?

You didn't. It's a trend, hence Patrick's comment #12.

You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people. You can keep trying, but you're not the first to go down this path here. It's unfortunate some cannot see their flaws and admit they were wrong. But hey, what are you gonna do?

The apparent source of the article:

former Obama administration officials said.

Everybody else was unnamed.

According to sources familiar with my Dong, it's 12" long and women find it irresistible.

Those former ex-girlfriends claiming it's smaller than their clitoris are biased.

M134 armed labradoodle cannibal anarchy - the final solution.

logic says

NoCoupForYou says

The apparent source of the article:

Still the fact remains, Trump is the President. Being the president he is ultimately responsible. I believe in top down leadership. Just as Obama is ultimately responsible for the fuck ups of his administrations response to the swine flu (do note economy not shut down) so to is Trump responsible for the response or lack thereof his administration.

Who knows if Trump was handed a pandemic response Playbook. If he was and he ignored it that just makes his response that much worse.

Based on the sentiment and statements from the EU and WHO, Trump was ahead of them on the "pandemic response". Some other countries were even better. Like New Zealand.

WookieMan says

You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people.

Oh, that's absolutely not true.

Some people are mindless cultists, some are blatant propagandists, but they are generally rare. In either case, if you cannot communicate with somebody, you can at least point out why they make that impossible.

jazz_music appears to be a mindless cultist uninterested in whether he's incorrect, willing to censor when people disagree with him, because he knows he's wrong. That's an awful state to be in. That's a losing battle and some people fight it for a lifetime.

jazz_music says

The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down

And yet they all have the latest smart phone and have enough food to become obese.

Tim Aurora says

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I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid

That says more about your family than Trump.

Woof

We are going to need mass civil disobedience to escape this.

He is there to throw a bucket of water on Putin and Trump in case of penis captivus. Wouldn't want a PutinDoodle in the White House.

I’m taking my kids to the beach this weekend. Fuck quarantine!

Shaman says

I’m taking my kids to the beach this weekend. Fuck quarantine!

Bring a film crew so we can see when the lifeguards tase your kids for not maintaining social distance.

Be safe. There are a lot of people out there who are willing to hurt you in order to protect you.

Most US hospitals are so empty that they are having financial difficulties.

The COVID-19 fatality rate is reasonably similar to the flu, judging by the recent NY state numbers. Probably identical, if you subtract out the fatalities in the sick, elderly population. In fact, the flu is deadlier in children. COVID-19 is probably deadlier in the elderly population, who have no immunity to the virus, and cannot develop immunity due to their age. This population has residual immunity to the flu that they developed when younger with functional immune systems.

Oddly enough, we are acting to prevent the development of immunity by locking people down. And preventing the future elderly from having immunity when they get to that stage.

Our leaders are elderly imbeciles.

willywonka says

Oddly enough, we are acting to prevent the development of immunity by locking people down. And preventing the future elderly from having immunity when they get to that stage.

Our leaders are elderly imbeciles.

Truth.

If they are testing positive, but showing no symptoms, why is this a problem?

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Yeah, having the ICU stressed isn't enough to offset that.

CV apparently often requires prolonged ventilator care, that is, sometimes for multiple weeks. I would guess that hospitals have death panels that decide whether or not patients get that care (although they obviously don't call themselves death panels).

It's one of those things that don't get discussed. Does someone with no insurance and no net worth get that kind of care ? Probably depends on a variety of factors, such as the financial backing and status of the Hospital, and how overloaded their ICU is. If they have the capacity (rooms, personal, ventilators) without taking on a lot of additional costs, then why not right ? Do they have to keep those resources available for the insured people that come in later today or tomorrow ? Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Heraclitusstudent says

Rate of infection in NY is doubling every 3 days and accelerating.
New projections show need of 140,000 hospital beds, way higher than current capacity.
Worse: need 40,000 Intensive Care Units beds, where the current capacity is 3000.

And Manhattan is still above water.

marcus says

Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Agreed. It's probably also pretty interesting that 99% of hospitals are not having to make these decisions and in fact are in financial trouble. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

NY just asked the USNS Comfort to be detached elsewhere - beds not needed. And they're shipping ventilators to other states. But, better more than less I guess.

marcus says

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Yeah, having the ICU stressed isn't enough to offset that.

CV apparently often requires prolonged ventilator care, that is, sometimes for multiple weeks. I would guess that hospitals have death panels that decide whether or not patients get that care (although they obviously don't call themselves death panels).

It's one of those things that don't get discussed. Does someone with no insurance and no net worth get that kind of care ? Probably depends on a variety of factors, such as the financial backing and status of the Hospital, and how overloaded their ICU is. If they have the capacity (rooms, personal, ventilators) without taking on a lot of additional costs, then why not right ? Do they have to keep those resources available for the insured people that come in later today or tomorrow ? Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Hospitals aren't overloaded. The Feds pick up $36k of cost for ventilator treatments so it is more of an issue of whether too many are put on them.

zzyzzx says

If they are testing positive, but showing no symptoms, why is this a problem?

They spread it... blah... blah....

If you don't want it, then just stay home. I'm going out tonight and having a fire with the neighbors. We'll stay spread out, but one is a nurse and another worked in the medical field that has past contacts. They not at all concerned about hanging out. Like zero. The one nurse is worried about losing her job. This is where we're at.

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100% consistent with what I said.

I am getting suspicious there's a conspiracy of silence about the results of the April 10 property tax collections in these parts.

We could probably save every Federal and Municipal job and balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system. We could probably give them a pay raise too!

socal2 says

balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system

Yes. Through bankruptcy.

Patrick says

We are going to need mass civil disobedience to escape this.

Except it wouldn't be Civil disobedience. That's what the Commies have been wanting Trump supporters to do all along. Now they would settle for Americans regardless if you like Bernie or Trump. Antifa raps on the head were paid for by the same people now, that will demand a put down the rebellion if people resist.
Now is the time, for either Barr quit his "Ima gonna do this and Ima gonna do that!" bullshit and get his ass to work.

Also the game they are playing on giving the swamp enough hooks and lines to set themselves. He also keeps giving them the opportunity to get ahead and work on their 10 ways to Sunday to get back at him, and the American People.

If they aren't up to it, it's going to take more than protesting and rioting to stop the commie take over.

one benefit from the Wuhan Flu is that it has allowed Civil Disobedience to put down around the world where it was a thorn in the NWO side.

It will be a damn shame if our best patriots are in a peaceful rabble when the UN attack helicopters and Chinese Tanks come rolling in.