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thomasdong1776 says

Trump demands journalists correct stories on the use of tear gas. According to the CDC, it was tear gas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/trump-demands-journalists-correct-stories-on-the-use-of-tear-gas-according-to-the-cdc-it-was-tear-gas/2020/06/02/bf68726c-a544-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

The Washington Post?

www.youtube.com/embed/IDF1kDhHDEI

Perhaps it was tear gas, but to find out - get it from a reliable source.

thomasdong1776 says

Trump demands journalists correct stories on the use of tear gas. According to the CDC, it was tear gas.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/trump-demands-journalists-correct-stories-on-the-use-of-tear-gas-according-to-the-cdc-it-was-tear-gas/2020/06/02/bf68726c-a544-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

More lies! Blatant miserable misrepresentation by you poster Thomas Dong. I contested that the protestors are peaceful...clearly they were declared an unlawful assembly and after failure to disperse, police can take forceful action to remove them.

@patrick do you now see why civil discourse is not possible?

This is why I trolled people. There is no other recourse in these situations other than turn the Alinsky book back at them.

I have morals. I don’t like slinging poo. But when I do, I can keep up with the best of them.

"White crowd protests for George Floyd"

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1268176768822685696

It's still possible to be civil.

Can we get information from a less ridiculously partisan source than Jeff Bezos's Washington Post?

thomasdong1776 says

Perhaps you can explain to us why Trump is demanding the details be "corrected" in an event you say didn't happen.

We do agree, however, that civil discourse isn't possible, because no matter what is said or posted, you will continue to insist you are correct, all the while offering absolutely nothing to back your opinions up. You're like the old-school parent who's only rationale is "because I said so". If that's what passes for "morals" in the con world, no wonder the country is in such dire straits.

Again you misrepresent what I stated. I didn’t sta the event didn’t occur. Ever. I said it didn’t occur as the Washington Post, and you by extension are claiming it did.

In other words you lied, you doubled down on the lie, you changed the topic, misatributed my statements, and changed the conversation.

I’m starting to see why you originally cited the Washington Post.

Tim Aurora says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Lots of local Democrat leaders support them.

Kim Gardner, the Soros installed prosecutor of St Louis just let every single rioter and looter arrested this week out of jail.
https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1268195075953176576

Although now I see that the White House is saying tear gas wasn’t deployed. Not sure that matters or not. The cops can disperse an unlawful assembly which by definition can’t possibly be peaceful as the Washington Post falsely stated.

Tim Aurora says

Yes, we should get it from Fox News and Breitbart or some other no-name blog. The first step to fascism is to discredit the MSM who are against the ruling party and prop your media. The fact is that Wapo allows opinion pieces from all sides. Mitch McConnel comes to mind, and I am sure I can dig up many more. Granted that they are not perfect, but they are damn good.

Patrick says

Can we get information from a less ridiculously partisan source than Jeff Bezos's Washington Post?

Why butt in if you are not going to defend or counter what Dong cited.

Just came across this video but it apparanttly was made over two years ago now. Two years ago many people might say this guy is crazy. Listen to this mans words and think about what’s happening now.

www.youtube.com/embed/kpZbVrIP1zc

Tim Aurora says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Fortwaynemobile says

Tim your head might explode, but Trump also agreed with protesters, but not the looters.

Absolutely not true. They have in fact stated that Rioting and destruction is all ok. I can give you hundreds of tweets and videos where they support rioting and destruction and even did say directly they support riots.

Tim Aurora says

Liberals lean on NYT and Wapo, not perfect but these papers allow opinions from all sides.

hahaha, Jennifer Rubin is WaPo's conservative columnist. George Will at others. hahahahhahaha

If you entertain any notion that looters are righteous, that Whiteness and White Supremacy are actual problems, not insane left-wing social theories, and are dangerous, you are neither a Trumper, a Moderate, or a Liberal. You are a Far Leftist.

thomasdong1776 says

Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote on Twitter that “America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy.” Gen. Tony Thomas, the former head of the Special Operations Command, tweeted: “The ‘battle space’ of America??? Not what America needs to hear … ever, unless we are invaded by an adversary or experience a constitutional failure … ie a Civil War.”

Two Former Military Leaders appointed by Obama said Orange Man Bad.

Tim Aurora says

Yes, we should get it from Fox News and Breitbart or some other no-name blog

Legacy Media is dying. We're not interested in Massive China Importer Bezos' or Qatar's controlled media. Papers that cry over terrorist leaders and propagandists like Suleimani, Khashoggi...

Tim Aurora says

6. Anytime you talk about Racism, Trumpsters will talk about "Blacks are coming to kill you"

Statistically, on the pure race threshold, which race kills the other at a higher rate? Not talking inter race, black on black or white on white. Which race kills the other at a higher frequency? There's a statistical and factual answer to this question. Be honest.

I don't know when it happened, race being tied to a political leaning or party. There are some unbecoming memes about race here, but I'm not certain I've seen any racist here. You need to check out some other forums maybe before judging the crowd here. We're all more alike here than you think. You may not like the comments, but the data backs up what most write here. Most stuff is backed up with links here. Even if they're suspect, at least most users try. Some don't.

Tim Aurora says

Trumpsters

Tim, please try to not be divisive, but instead to think about our common interests.

It's fine that you don't like Trump. Just saying that:

1. It's not the most important thing in the world to hate him.
2. You help solidify support for Trump by using words like "Trumpsters". You're not even helping your own cause.
3. It's harmful to all of us to be divided and weak in the face of real exploitation by global capital and China.

WookieMan says

Statistically, on the pure race threshold, which race kills the other at a higher rate? Not talking inter race, black on black or white on white. Which race kills the other at a higher frequency?

It's not just frequency. The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

The press deliberately ignores this fact. Why?

Patrick says

The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Sure:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites.

I posted a list of how I have personally been affected by black crime. I'll try to find that.

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Typical sea lioning.
I hate Trump supporters who are all racist and horrible! Agree with me or i quit the forum!

rdm says

Patrick says

The absolute numbers of whites killed by blacks is larger than the reverse, even though blacks are 12% of the population and whites are 74%.

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

This data has been posted zillion times on here, even directly pulled from the government's criminal databases. Yet every time you ask "got a source?" What we have never seen though is a single data point or study even remotely hinting at white on black racism. Since you and the looneyeft are claiming "systemic racism" and implemented harmful consequences yet even calling for more unconstitutional intervention, you have to provide the source and links since you are protesting and demanding changes. Maybe I have singled you out wrongly and you're not claiming that there is a systemic problem of White on black racism. But if you are, WHERE is your statistically significant data? I'm not even claiming that there is a big enough problem of black on white racism as there are other explanations for the variance in crime rates, but to arrive at the opposite is unscientific at least, delusional at worst. The cop was a major asshole and they are now all charged for 2nd degree murder (which is almost too high to prove and a risk for the trial given a clever defense) or lesser. They will all face the consequences they deserve. But there's zero reason to think the asshole cop would not have given the same treatment to a strong meaty redneck resisting arrest. Latinos and Whites die due to police brutality at the same rate.

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Here we go again. In a few weeks, it'll be the same question as if it was not already answered with indisputable numbers that repeat the same trend year after year after year.

@Patrick, any chance of having some stickied or otherwise perma reference to a few things, like Crime Rate by Race?

That way we can just be like, "Click the link on the main page"

thomasdong1776 says

What you fail to understand (deliberately, no doubt) is that law enforcement wasn't dispersing the protest, which continued on for several more hours. They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Smoke ain't tear gas. And they moved in because liquid balloons were being thrown at the cops.

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

Two more things:

When was the last time a "Trumpist" has posted about birther or pizzagate stuff on patnet? You will have to go deep into the archives, birther stuff may be years old. Compare that to Jazz's mother jones / salon / buzzkill threads about some absurd Trump fascism/racism connection day by day.

The other:

Consider yourself getting into a situation where you end up killing a black person unintentionally, maybe you wanted to protect your family in a riot / car blockade, during a possible home intrusion or a similar situation. Maybe you were too trigger / gas pedal happy and have to take some of the blame. Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

I voted for him. Obama. Hands down. No question to be asked.

mell says

Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

Imagine half a dozen people die because nutjobs and posers have to freak out, and the Media encourages them to do so, because of what happened.

NoCoupForYou says

mell says

Now imagine a mob of millions of people coming after you and your family because certainly there's only one reason you did what you did and it must be !racism! since that is possibly the only reason a white person ends up killing a black person! You could be the most devoted civil rights defender and black lives matter activist, you will be crucified! This is how far we have come, bank on it.

Imagine half a dozen people die because nutjobs and posers have to freak out, and the Media encourages them to do so, because of what happened.

Right - also I remember Kate Steinle didn't pay with a fake $20 bill and didn't resist any arrest, yet she was shot point blank at the SF pier by an illegal criminal and died in her father's arms with most of her life in front of her. The illegal walked free and nobody protested insane sanctuary policies cause clearly not all lives matter.

Clearly these millennial New York Times journalists are a bunch of pampered babies. How does running an op-ed “put in danger” the lives of any New York Times staffers. Seriously, explain the logic there. They can’t, because it makes absolutely no sense. What an embarrassment

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) June 4, 2020

thomasdong1776 says

They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Yes, it was a photo op at a church. A large percentage of Americans are religious (I'm not) and this helps comfort them. Protestors around the POTUS during this time ain't a good thing whether you like him or not. If you think things are fucked up now, wait until there's some assassination attempt. Risk was too high and a few people had to cry on the way home. Cost of doing business so to speak.

thomasdong1776 says

Source?

You have none because you're nothing but a troll.

Thank you for your civil response and educating me with your superior morality and ethics.

US Park Police.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Park Police is denying it used tear gas to disperse a crowd of protesters outside the White House on Monday night, saying officers instead used smoke canisters and pepper balls to aggressively push back the demonstrators.

Protesters scrambled as smoke filled the streets and AP journalists witnessed people reacting to their eyes and throats becoming irritated. Journalists covering the protest reported the crowd was largely peaceful at the time; the Park Police said they were responding to protesters throwing items, including bricks and frozen water bottles at law enforcement.

https://wjla.com/news/local/us-park-police-tear-gas-protest-smoke-canisters-pepper-balls

Of course, if they were throwing bricks and frozen water bottles, then I'm for tear gas, rubber bullets, and if that don't work, live ammo.

marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

Well, in one picture, I see only black people.

NoCoupForYou says

Tim Aurora says

Liberals lean on NYT and Wapo, not perfect but these papers allow opinions from all sides.

hahaha, Jennifer Rubin is WaPo's conservative columnist. George Will at others. hahahahhahaha

If you entertain any notion that looters are righteous, that Whiteness and White Supremacy are actual problems, not insane left-wing social theories, and are dangerous, you are neither a Trumper, a Moderate, or a Liberal. You are a Far Leftist.

What facts are in an article from the Washington Post? There are few because they editorialize their news content. But you wouldn’t know that from Tim’s postings...nor Jazz’s...nor Thomas Dungs....

Because they link articles without commenting!

You can’t cite an opinion piece( which every single WaPo article is and most NYT articles are) as fact of anything.

The divide isn’t ideological, it’s fact vs opinion. For instance the article Thomas Dung linked earlier today stating that officers fired tear gas into a peaceful crowd. It’s an utterly absurd statement on face value and any rational person would realize were not in communist China or Syria or some other third world shithole where cops indiscriminately attack masses of innocent people. Yet there is was in all glory as a WaPo headline. And Thomas Dung linked and cited it thinking he is some anti Trump genius.

thomasdong1776 says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

What does happen is protests are ordered to disperse once an assembly is considered unlawful. If they fail to do so, it is no longer a peaceful protest but rather an unlawful one.

What you fail to understand (deliberately, no doubt) is that law enforcement wasn't dispersing the protest, which continued on for several more hours. They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Again that is absurd. No order to disperse? No megaphone “hey we gotta move this thing?” No nothing?

Really. With like every single protestor able to take video? With tons of media? Show me the video of the entire protest and tear gas. Let’s see it.

i would say obama......he sorted out the jigs from the rest....trump didn't pick anyone.....so as i understand the word "divisive", i'd say obama...

Tim Aurora says

a good majority of whites and other races are supporting the protests

I couldn't care less about floyd or the cop. And I don't have any of them in my thoughts and prayers...I don't live in a big shithole city...do whatever the fuck you want....lolol

Tim Aurora says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Seems like they are suddenly very quiet...basically hiding..hard to support anything when you are hiding.

My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) April 29, 2020

Man, this tweet did not age well.

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marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

The problem I had with Obama was he was clever on style but I did not trust him on substance.

Whereas Trump is terrible on style such as his Tweets, but has substance like on securing the southern border, on trade, on energy, on national defense and the economy.

My fear is the Left uses clever style and rhetoric, as well as false labels like Antifa, as the ruthless means to their desired end state.

At least with Trump, he is what he presents himself to be. Whereas, Biden and Obama are deceitful. Except Biden, is not as clever or smooth as Obama.

But Biden is just as arrogant and will shamelessly present himself as what he truly not is.

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