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marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

Well, in one picture, I see only black people.

NoCoupForYou says

Tim Aurora says

Liberals lean on NYT and Wapo, not perfect but these papers allow opinions from all sides.

hahaha, Jennifer Rubin is WaPo's conservative columnist. George Will at others. hahahahhahaha

If you entertain any notion that looters are righteous, that Whiteness and White Supremacy are actual problems, not insane left-wing social theories, and are dangerous, you are neither a Trumper, a Moderate, or a Liberal. You are a Far Leftist.

What facts are in an article from the Washington Post? There are few because they editorialize their news content. But you wouldn’t know that from Tim’s postings...nor Jazz’s...nor Thomas Dungs....

Because they link articles without commenting!

You can’t cite an opinion piece( which every single WaPo article is and most NYT articles are) as fact of anything.

The divide isn’t ideological, it’s fact vs opinion. For instance the article Thomas Dung linked earlier today stating that officers fired tear gas into a peaceful crowd. It’s an utterly absurd statement on face value and any rational person would realize were not in communist China or Syria or some other third world shithole where cops indiscriminately attack masses of innocent people. Yet there is was in all glory as a WaPo headline. And Thomas Dung linked and cited it thinking he is some anti Trump genius.

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FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

What does happen is protests are ordered to disperse once an assembly is considered unlawful. If they fail to do so, it is no longer a peaceful protest but rather an unlawful one.

What you fail to understand (deliberately, no doubt) is that law enforcement wasn't dispersing the protest, which continued on for several more hours. They tear gassed and fired rubber bullets into the crowd for the sole reason of moving the protesters back a few blocks so that Trump could stage his silly photo op at the church.

Again that is absurd. No order to disperse? No megaphone “hey we gotta move this thing?” No nothing?

Really. With like every single protestor able to take video? With tons of media? Show me the video of the entire protest and tear gas. Let’s see it.

i would say obama......he sorted out the jigs from the rest....trump didn't pick anyone.....so as i understand the word "divisive", i'd say obama...

Tim Aurora says

a good majority of whites and other races are supporting the protests

I couldn't care less about floyd or the cop. And I don't have any of them in my thoughts and prayers...I don't live in a big shithole city...do whatever the fuck you want....lolol

Tim Aurora says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Seems like they are suddenly very quiet...basically hiding..hard to support anything when you are hiding.

My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.— Mayor Bill de Blasio (@NYCMayor) April 29, 2020

Man, this tweet did not age well.

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marcus says

Which one was more divisive. It's one of those questions that we will never know the answer to.

The problem I had with Obama was he was clever on style but I did not trust him on substance.

Whereas Trump is terrible on style such as his Tweets, but has substance like on securing the southern border, on trade, on energy, on national defense and the economy.

My fear is the Left uses clever style and rhetoric, as well as false labels like Antifa, as the ruthless means to their desired end state.

At least with Trump, he is what he presents himself to be. Whereas, Biden and Obama are deceitful. Except Biden, is not as clever or smooth as Obama.

But Biden is just as arrogant and will shamelessly present himself as what he truly not is.

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Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo

komputodo says

I couldn't care less about floyd or the cop. And I don't have any of them in my thoughts and prayers...I don't live in a big shithole city...do whatever the fuck you want....lolol

Fact Check: TRUE. This is Act Blue:

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CBOEtrader says

The whites who are there look like Antifa, while the blacks dont look like Antifa. That part seems true.

Yes, you'll see the AntiFa females usually with died purple, dark red, or pink hair. The males usually have man-buns.

Unlike Baltimore, which is not vanilla town like a Minneapolis or a Portland, Oregon.

At the Baltimore riots, the AntiFa whites would cover themselves to not show any skin color. I think that was to not expose that a lot of the violence was being done by militant white liberals or neoMarxists.

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komputodo says

And no Democratic national leader has supported looters

Seems like they are suddenly very quiet...basically hiding..hard to support anything when you are hiding.

They don't want to alienate their base (ie.., AntiFa types). So they can't come out strong against the looting and destruction. So what do they do ?

Classic Democrat move is ask their mainstream media allies to shamelessly claim it is right wing white supremacists causing the riots in Minneapolis, as well as deflecting and blaming Trump and the Republicans.

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Patrick says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

Thanks for the info. Though, I might mention I was very uncivilly and personally reamed for just asking for it. i don't typically participate in these threads on race so I asked for info, I had never seen before, such a sin.

So over twice as many whites are killed by Blacks as the reverse. But still its a pretty small number as to the overall popultion or the 100K and counting who died of this bad cold that is going around. I suspected it was relatively small that is why I asked about any personal connection to a killing, I dont have any or know of any victims, of this or the covid-19. And I keep getting told to just go out and live my life, the pandemic is all over but yet the same people are fixated on a much lower risk of being murdered by a black. People are funny I guess.

rdm says

Patrick says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

Thanks for the info. Though, I might mention I was very uncivilly and personally reamed for just asking for it. i don't typically participate in these threads on race so I asked for info, I had never seen before, such a sin.

So over twice as many whites are killed by Blacks as the reverse. But still its a pretty small number as to the overall popultion or the 100K and counting who died of this bad cold that is going around. I suspected it was relatively small that is why I asked about any personal connection to a killing, I dont have any or know of any victims, of this or the covid-19. And I keep getting told to just go out and live my life, the pandemic is all over but yet the same people are fixated on a much lower risk of being murdered by a black. People are funny I guess.

I'm not worried about or fixated on it. Neither should black people or the millions of protestors and rioters be fixated on Floyd. There's nothing to see here except for police malpractice leading to a tragic death which should and will be brought to justice. There's only a few culprits and maybe a poorly run PD. The rest of the nation is completely innocent and should not have to bear looters and rioters and false SJW prophets descending onto them.

Tim Aurora says

Trumpsters and Liberals

You didn't want to say "Trumpsters and Hillarers"? People aren't all just liberals and conservatives man, or Trumpsters as you call. People are conservative on some issues, liberal on others. You are putting people into little predefined by media buckets, and that's where you are going wrong my man. Those buckets only exist so you can attribute all the bad shit to the opposite bucket, divide and conquer.

The rest is just left wing propaganda, I've seen it too. It's pretty aweful, and not logical even.

Shaman says

personal

@Shaman I had to mark that as personal because it is, but I'm grateful to have learned the term "sea lioning":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

The troll feigns ignorance and politeness, so that if the target is provoked into making an angry response, the troll can then act as the aggrieved party.[6][7] Sealioning can be performed by a single troll or by multiple ones acting in concert.[8] The technique of sealioning has been compared to the Gish gallop and metaphorically described as a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[9]

An essay in the collection Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online, published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, noted:

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences.

mell says

I'm not worried about or fixated on it. Neither should black people or the millions of protestors and rioters be fixated on Floyd.

Bingo. And that was also the point of my above comment. If you want to make things about race and be fixated on something, why shouldn't it be black on white crime? Murder is just one proponent of crimes. Given the demographic breakdown of race in this country, blacks are exponentially more likely to cause harm against white people. Yet we're burning the place down for a small fraction of 1% of crimes against black people.

Do I hate them? No. But people need to stop pretending that statistics on this stuff doesn't exist. I don't know the reason and don't have the answer. I have a purely analytical approach, blacks on paper are more racist based on crime statistics against another race. Change my mind.

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Why do you insist of calling people by the color of their skin? Sounds racist to me.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

anti Trump genius.

There’s an oxymoron.

rdm says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Cool. Kill another unarmed white like they do as well. Probably never happens to Mexicans, so they're likely safe. Never has an Indian (native or foreign) been unarmed and killed either. What is so special about black people? Look into it and you'll find an answer.

The people that created the monstrosity called public sector unions, are now pissed off that they allow criminals and ass hoe's to police their streets with impunity. This is what you voted for. So now towns across the country that think you're doing it wrong have to suffer through idiots breaking and burning shit. How cute. These people are spoiled horse taint.

Tim Aurora says

You still do not get it. Have you ever talked to the blacks in the hood and how police harrases them. I have talked and I have stories to tell. It is not just one person killed. It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

PeopleUnited says

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

If that’s the case, wouldn’t your best route be to to remove legal probable cause?

Also perhaps educate people in those areas that the don’t have to talk to police, known as a consensual encounter?

I haven’t seen you, nor any BLM, mention these things at all. Democrats hold power in California, Minnesota, and elsewhere and could change the laws in those states. Frankly they are civil liberties matters and I’d support some ideas in this regard.

But I haven’t heard anyone say boo about any of this.

Tim Aurora says

Patrick, I have been called libtards and many other names. I would have to use a different word, TCS ( Trump Cult Syndrome) comes to my mind. Would that be OK?

Right, I'm trying to get people to avoid libtard as well, as that is also divisive.

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why. The goal is to get us to think about our common interests and not just our differences.

Tim Aurora says

Patrick, I am sorry that you have had a negative experience with Blacks but that should not be the reason to vilify all blacks.

When did I vilify all blacks? Don't assume too much.

Patrick says

When did I vilify all blacks? Don't assume too much.

Duh! If you don’t adopt 100% of the Democrat party progressive line that being white is the original sin and black people are innocent in every situation then you are an unrepentant racist deplorable!
There is no middle ground, no gray areas, and definitely no room for truth or statistics that disprove their narrative! Truth is racist!

Tim Aurora says

It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

Even the black officers in Democrat jurisdictions? Are they racist too?

Tim Aurora says

Never expected anything better than that from you.

You do understand what he's saying, right? There are places in this country where the BS that happened in Minneapolis would never happen. A singular event cannot be cast upon the entire population and country. There are normal places out there where a cop like this one would have been fired after a dozen plus complaints. We all get to suffer because the city of Minneapolis/SP had shit policy and procedures, along with a dem. theory of unions being good, all voted on by the people that are now pissed. Do you not see the hypocrisy? It's pure lunacy at this point.

Patrick says

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why

So too by the same standards TDS is not OK?

socal2 says

Lots of local Democrat leaders support them.

Kim Gardner, the Soros installed prosecutor of St Louis just let every single rioter and looter arrested this week out of jail.
https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1268195075953176576

wow, this is true. soros donates to her campaign: https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/st-louis-circuit-attorney-candidate-defends-accepting-super-pac-campaign-money-from-liberal-billionaire/article_11036aaf-4b1b-58cd-871f-4084f1ec1485.html
and theres plenty of coverage on her releasing the looters.

soros seems to be involved in damn near everything dem. im guessing dems pay him back by doing his biddings or by letting him in on govt secrets so he can profit on it, from which he takes a slice of the money and donates back to democrats which reliably show their "appreciation" for his "donations".

edit - it appears soros also donated to the district attorney that let off jussie smollett.

Somebody at MoveOn hit "Publish" instead of "DM"

rdm says

Patrick says

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why

So too by the same standards TDS is not OK?

Patrick has said as much. So no, TDS would not be okay. He's also said things like libtard would be bad. We'll see how it plays out, but he's not picking a side with regards to what we call each other in some acronym. I like a lot of users on both sides here, but never understood the use of stuff/words/acronyms like that. I may have slipped up in the past myself, but it's generally something I avoid using. It adds little to the conversation.

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rdm says

WookieMan says

Patrick has said as much. So no, TDS would not be okay

My main problem with such acronyms is that they reduce complex issues to the simplistic and show a general laziness and or inability to respond to a question posed. They are in a way simply a FU or possibly a Foff by another name.

Tim Aurora says

You still do not get it. Have you ever talked to the blacks in the hood and how police harrases them. I have talked and I have stories to tell. It is not just one person killed. It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

Yet this happens in big liberal/progressive cities with Democrat mayors, Democrat city councils, Democrat Prosecutors and Democrats Chiefs of Police.

Why do black people keep electing these progressive racists that treat them so badly?

socal2 says

Democrats Chiefs of Police.

It was interesting I heard the Chief in NYC (white BTW) interviewed yesterday. He seemed more afraid of the the Police union then the Mayor. In Minneapolis only 6% of the police force lives in the city.

Tim Aurora says

Yes, some of them definitely are.

Onvacation says

Even the black officers in Democrat jurisdictions? Are they racist too?

Most dangerous and racist people are white liberals according to Malcolm X.

www.youtube.com/embed/a5HyL6QNGbM

If you can't watch, you can read it too:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8869214-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and

In Minneapolis only 6% of the police force lives in the city.

Good to see that policy coming back to bite them in their ass.

Police should be required to live in the area they patrol.

It's happening folks - hearing rumbles through the grapevine in some smaller companies where black employees, even if fairly or even overrepresented relative to population, are demanding corporate changes. Expect lawyers, HR and many more tied up in this bullshit and many smaller companies bite the dust among scurrying to get fair representation of black, white, yellow, green, brown, blue, tranny, lgbtxyzawesomo or facing bullshit lawsuits. It's only going to be harder and harder to be an entrepreneur because of leftoid bullshit and race baiting like this. Divide and conquer brought to you by the leftoids in sponsorship with globalist billionaires and their corporations. you'll reap what you sow. I just feel sorry for the small business entrepreneurs already battered by Covid-10 bullshit lockdowns. Make our economy great and free again and vote the leftoid bums out!

NoCoupForYou says

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Here we go again. In a few weeks, it'll be the same question as if it was not already answered with indisputable numbers that repeat the same trend year after year after year.

Why don't you just bookmark the source then, and the next time he asks, you immediately produce it - because although I've heard of this statistic, I don't readily have proof.

What are the exact numbers? Doesn't anybody know how to use a bookmark?

rdm says

My main problem with such acronyms is that they reduce complex issues to the simplistic and show a general laziness and or inability to respond to a question posed. They are in a way simply a FU or possibly a Foff by another name.

I tend to agree. When people use them, it's generally obvious who it's directed at and adds nothing to the conversation. I get a moment of frustration or something lost in conversation, but if it's being used constantly it's kind of annoying. Both sides do it, so it's not unique to any one user.

rdm says

He seemed more afraid of the the Police union then the Mayor.

Bingo. How many cops would be canned if light was shed on the inner working of the police force? I support cops, but at the same time hate their structure. Why should a union have so much power over elected officials? The public didn't elect the union and the public is now forced to negotiate against themselves regarding wages, all while the union protects actual fucking criminals. It's pure stupidity.