patrick.net

Everyone needs to stop responding to this thread so it doesn't keep it at the top of the list. Otherwise, we're feeding the commie-fascist troll.

jazz_music says

The linked references are interesting

The linked references are propaganda.jazz_music says

A country can have fascist strains without actually being fascistic, Stanley says, and he identifies myriad seeds of authoritarianism in U.S. history, from the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South—which inspired Hitler

Are you saying the Democrats, creators of confederate and Jim Crow, are fascists?

I guess the fascism promoted by the current pseudo-administration is evidence to back your point.

jazz_music says

This may be exactly necessary because we share no common realities.

Exactly the problem in our country, two realities. One side puts up pseudo science and conspiracy theory. When rebutted with facts this conspiracy minded side censors and "cancels" the other side. The democrats have closed their eyes to reality.

There are people that think Trump conspired with the Russians and Hunter's laptop is just a Russian disinformation campaign.

jazz_music says

. I would never read or watch anything owned by Newscorp or Clearchannel except to see what they are hammering away on instead of important news.

I don’t subscribe to any outrage celebrities. I don’t let TV radio etc. actors guide my feelings.

So where do you get your propaganda from?

jazz_music says

Ohnevermind whatever

Oh, OK.

Anyone arguing with the OP is a fool. He calls Trumpism Fascism, while ignoring all of the Fascist shit, the Media, Candidates, Politicians, and radical well supported agents of destruction, that openly calls for the destruction of America and submitting all of those who do not support their views, to be subjected to oppression.

It's clear he's definitive deficient.

Tenpoundbass says

It's clear he's definitive deficient.

TDS, apparently there is no cure.

It remains absolutely bonkers that anyone thinks the threat in the US is from the right.

THE DAY THE POLICE WERE NO LONGER NEEDED

On August 19, 1966 - Chinese students launched a fight for social justice to fight for the rights of the oppressed in China. It was widely believed that the 'patriarchal system' in China had been created by the 1% and held down women, minorities, and the working class. The students cried out for a revolution and change, and consequentially launched the infamous Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Students put a red band around their arm to stand in solidarity with the oppressed and called for a change on old ideas that they called the FOUR OLDS. The Four Olds were: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.

The movement was supported by the Chinese media.

Mass demonstrations and looting by the students ensued.

Statues were torn down.

Chinese architecture was destroyed.

Classical literature and Chinese paintings were torn apart and burned.

Temples were desecrated.

The Cemetery of Confucius was attacked.

The corpse of the 76th-generation Duke Yansheng was removed from its grave and hung from a tree.

Wealthy homes were attacked and destroyed.

Many families' long-kept genealogy books were burned to ashes.

All of history, in short, was to be removed and replaced. This was the central meaning of Cultural Revolution: That China was going to destroy every trace of its bourgeois (privileged) past and replace it with a new culture built on the principles of Maoism and Marxism.

Communist leaders like President Liu Shaoqi were taken out of power and replaced with men Mao believed were not critical of his reign.

Public leaders who were considered to be oppressive were tried by angry mobs and vigilantes.

Three days later, August 22, 1966, a central directive was issued to stop police intervention. The police were disbanded in the city and the students formed a community solution called the RED GUARD. The RED GUARDS policed the communities and punished anyone who did not agree with their ideas. Even people that supported the movement, but had bad thoughts ("wrong think") could be punished.

Though many Christians supported the movement in the beginning, they quickly became the number one target of the RED GUARDS and public trials were held to condemn them to death.

Many of those that were on board with the cause of the rebellion, in the beginning, saw that it was not really what they had signed up for, but by then it was too late. The power that the Red Guard wanted had already been given.

More people died during the cultural revolution in China than any war, famine, or natural disaster in the history of man. An estimated 20 to 30 million people were killed.

I have not heard of whites leaving areas which become more Asian.

On the contrary, Asians tend to bring lower crime and better schools, so I would think that white people would not leave unless they are actively being discriminated against by Asians.

Getting Priced Out, Homie.

Maybe Asians do increase property values.

I live in a silicon valley neighborhood that has had a lot of whites replaced by asians in the past 20 years. Especially these past 5-10 years. A decent chunk of whites who left were old, and either died or moved somewhere for care. I know a 1 (and another I suspect) white who just moved to a cheaper part of CA to retire, cashing out their home. Of course this is a small anecdotal sample size, but I agree w/ Patricks sentiment that whites dont often have something against asian neighbors. I just havent heard people complain about asians, but I have heard people complain about fear of ghetto blacks.

I would guess most of the asians moving in around my street work in tech or health care. That's been the case for the past 4 new neighbors I've talked to.

I do know 1 white who moved as his street turned mostly indian american, but his issue was their constant large parties which caused parking traffic and the pungent smell of their cooking (which multiple neighbors did in their garages converted into kitchens. btw why do they do this?). I dont view that as being anti asian - those are legitimate gripes which bother some people.

edit- I think when a neighborhood gentrifies into a new predominant race, it's often primarily driven by the new race (with exceptions for people fleeing crime). I think this is why you see enclaves like "chinatown", "little vietnam" etc... for example, why do so many indians move to live in fremont? They want to live together, and specifically gravitate towards those neighborhoods when home shopping. I don't see anything wrong with this, but I do find it odd that the same effect is referred to as being "culture preserving" when minorities do it, but "white flight" when whites do it, even if the whites aren't fleeing, but rather the neighborhood is just getting white-diluted by strong demand from a specific minority as typical housing unit turnover naturally progresses over the years.

Hircus says

I live in a silicon valley neighborhood that has had a lot of whites replaced by asians in the past 20 years. Especially these past 5-10 years. A decent chunk of whites who left were old, and either died or moved somewhere for care. I know a 1 (and another I suspect) white who just moved to a cheaper part of CA to retire, cashing out their home. Of course this is a small anecdotal sample size, but I agree w/ Patricks sentiment that whites dont often have something against asian neighbors. I just havent heard people complain about asians, but I have heard people complain about fear of ghetto blacks.

I would guess most of the asians moving in around my street work in tech or health care. That's been the case for the past 4 new neighbors I've talked to.

I do know 1 white who moved as his street turned mostly indian american, but his issue was their constant large parties which caused parking traffic and the pungent smell of their cooking (which multiple neighbors did in the...

Every Asian and every Indian I've ever known had great family structures.

My neighborhood is pretty mixed, but there are oldsters who are dying or otherwise retiring and moving away. Whoever replaces them has to have some serious cash because prices are running hard over $900k-$1.1 million right now. All the new neighbors are either white or Asian, with occasional mixed race people snagging another house. People want to live here with the blue ribbon schools and low crime and well kept neighborhoods. It was affordable just five years ago… we got in just in time.

More to topic, I’ve noticed that Irvine has gone asian in a big way over the past twenty years. The construction is much newer on average than other cities, the enforcement is rigorous with respect to forcibly relocating transients, and the schools are excellent. These factors attract Asians, who have paid more on average to live in such a place rather than elsewhere, and it seems the attraction grows for Asians the more Asians that live in a place. Asians like to be around other Asians. Maybe it’s because they value low crime and there’s no ethnic group with lower crime. Or maybe such concentrations of a similar culture attract businesses that cater to that culture and it becomes a place where first generation Asians can feel very comfortable?

Either way, it’s definitely not white flight. It’s whites being outbid by Asians, who have higher average incomes. And then Asians liking these types of Asian conclaves and preferring to live there.

I have little against Asians. My wife is half Asian. But even she complains about their driving and it’s annoying how engrossed in the pandemic protocols they can be.

Cost of living is not the only factor. Specially in contra costa county near alameda , I see whites and Asians tend to move towards their majority city.

The purpose of this thread is to suggest “ Not only Asians but Whites also tend to live with whites in white area”.

I like color don’t care neighbourhood the best, But it looks like it is hard to practically achieve truly mixed neighbourhood.. sooner or later it starts to develop into somewhat segregated on racial lines.

Hircus says

They want to live together, and specifically gravitate towards those neighborhoods when home shopping. I don't see anything wrong with this, but I do find it odd that the same effect is referred to as being "culture preserving" when minorities do it, but "white flight" when whites do it, even if the whites aren't fleeing, but rather the neighborhood is just getting white-diluted by strong demand from a specific minority as typical housing unit turnover naturally progresses over the years.

It is not true. Mostly it is called "Ghettoization" not cultural preservation.
Also it doesn't matter if "minority conclave" is rich or poor, It is still termed as ghetto.

Oh boy.. Washington post and its racial orgasms.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/the-real-reason-americans-stopped-spitting-on-asian-americans-and-started-praising-them/
The real reasons the U.S. became less racist toward Asian Americans

farmer2021 says

Cost of living is not the only factor.

Yes it is.

I grew up here in the area. I did not immigrate to here from other crowded places.

I know so many whites (and blacks) who did not immigrate to here, but instead grew up here, who left. Some of those also of Asian heritage, native born Californians as American as me (not Asian immigrants). They share almost nothing with Asian immigrants, except how they look, and their surnames. Those natives of all races who've left, outnumber those of us who stayed.

They left for the more reasonable cost of living, and less crowded conditions. I know, because they told me so.

Compared to the concrete canyons I saw in Asia when I traveled there for work occasionally, the densely crowded-congested, hugely expensive Bay Area and other places they congregate to like Irvine or Vancouver, are like the Wide Open Prairie, at Bargain Prices.

farmer2021 says

It is not true. Mostly it is called "Ghettoization" not cultural preservation.
Also it doesn't matter if "minority conclave" is rich or poor, It is still termed as ghetto.

Hmmm I dont think so. I just haven't ever heard of anyone describe a neighborhood as bad unless it really is. Perhaps, to some people, its true that a borderline asian neighborhood is considered marginally more ghetto than a borderline white neighborhood, but I would be surprised if this was a significant difference, and I would imagine it to be a belief held mostly by older people who probably have little recent contact with asians.

I do agree with you that pretty much all cultures have a preference for living together, and yes I think whites generally prefer whites. But I also think whites are generally very comfortable with asians moving in, at least here in the sf bay. Hell, whites are more welcoming to asians than anyone else imo.

I guess me personally, I would prefer to not be the only white person in an asian neighborhood, although I don't think even that would bother me much unless I felt culturally excluded (ie if there were few americanized asians). If I lived in a ghetto, I would prefer a white ghetto, so there wouldnt be an easy visual reason to single me out. But I don't want to live in a ghetto, period.

So far I like the asian increase in my neighborhood, as I feel the people moving in are highly educated high earners, who are likely to improve schools and lower crime.

Hircus says

(ie if there were few americanized asians)

Hircus, did you grow up in the Bay Area?

yes

Hircus says

yes

Then I think you know that many American born Asian kids are completely 100% assimilated. (I am even spouse to one of those). I don't know if that's what you referred to as americanized asians, or if you referred to something else.

To me those completely assimilated folks are not really Asian, any more than a black whose ancestors came here before most haolie's ancestors came, is African.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Then I think you know that many American born Asian kids are completely 100% assimilated. (I am even spouse to one of those). I don't know if that's what you referred to as americanized asians, or if you referred to something else.

americanized = american culture = my culture = me not feeling culturally excluded.

I agree almost all who were born here are fully americanized, although their immigrant parents often stagnate and never quite fully make it. I find asians who arrived here young highly/fully americanize, while most adult arrivals only somewhat americanize.


B.A.C.A.H. says

To me those completely assimilated folks are not really Asian, any more than a black whose ancestors came here before most haolie's ancestors came, is African.

In my experience, 50 to 1, when someone says "hes asian" it most often refers to their blood / genes, than to their culture or place of birth. Of course, it can be used for either, contextually.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/neighborhood-segregation-persists-for-black-latino-or-hispanic-and-asian-americans/

Neighborhood segregation persists for Black, Latino or Hispanic, and Asian Americans

Hircus says

while most adult arrivals only somewhat americanize.

Yes. And those are the ones pricing whites, blacks, American-born Asians and American-born Latinos out of the densely packed, over-crowded, over-priced Bay Area.

We're locals, we see it, we live it. We know.

Recent adult-arrival immigrants who self-segregate as they congregative into crowded, expensive enclaves they created for themselves, importing their congestion and high prices with themselves, don't get it. Instead of looking in the mirror they cite The Race Card.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hircus says

while most adult arrivals only somewhat americanize.

Yes. And those are the ones pricing whites, blacks, American-born Asians and American-born Latinos out of the densely packed, over-crowded, over-priced Bay Area.

Yup. My friend, a chinese girl who still acts very chinese, arrived here at about 20 to do her masters (shes prob 28 now). She recently purchased a home in a newly constructed neighborhood with her american born chinese husband. She gloated to me that her (chinese) realtor told her that her new neighborhood was 90% asian, mostly chinese so far (it was about half sold at that point). She was so happy about it, and I'm not sure if she understands that the PC crowd might not approve of her preference. The homes were expensive, and bidding wars + "it only goes up" mania gave her instant equity.

Hircus says

B.A.C.A.H. says

Hircus says

while most adult arrivals only somewhat americanize.

Yes. And those are the ones pricing whites, blacks, American-born Asians and American-born Latinos out of the densely packed, over-crowded, over-priced Bay Area.

Yup. My friend, a chinese girl who still acts very chinese, arrived here at about 20 to do her masters (shes prob 28 now). She recently purchased a home in a newly constructed neighborhood with her american born chinese husband. She gloated to me that her (chinese) realtor told her that her new neighborhood was 90% asian, mostly chinese so far (it was about half sold at that point). She was so happy about it, and I'm not sure if she understands that the PC crowd might not approve of her preference. The homes were expensive, and bidding wars + "it only goes up" mania gave her instant equity.

Yes Asians tend to live in Asian neighborhoods. It is no secret.
But it seems same is true for whites, which was not well known before some cities started to become one-third or so Asian.

This site used to show everyone in the US by race, from census tracts, which are pretty small:

https://patrick.net/post/1301335/2017-01-13-race-map-of-us

The link to the zoomable map does not work anymore for me:

https://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/index.html?ref=patrick.net

Does it work for anyone else? Maybe the woke shut it down because TOO MUCH REALITY.

Donald says

Second, 20% of all new Covid cases are now in Florida.

Like 2 out of 10 total for the whole country? Oh, the horror!

Has Sleepy Joe deployed Navy hospital ships yet? What's he waiting for?

Donald says

First, in the middle of the night, an appellate court reinstated the CDC''s ban on cruise ships that DeSantis recently got overturned in court.

Let people fucking cruise. I'm personally done cruising, but for fucks sake, let them make a choice. Cruises have always been sketchy. Nora virus or whatnot. People have always gotten sick on cruises. They get sick in Mexico brushing their damn teeth. We're shutting down industries that bring thousands of jobs to these ports. Annually there are probably 20 people that die on the way to these jobs. Likely less than Covid. Who the fuck cares.

Donald says

Today was a bad day for DeSantis. First, in the middle of the night, an appellate court reinstated the CDC''s ban on cruise ships that DeSantis recently got overturned in court. Second, 20% of all new Covid cases are now in Florida.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/19/cruise-stocks-fall-amid-covid-concerns-court-ruling-in-florida.html

I have nearly full confidence that cruise companies will buy gov't bureaucrats off and nothing will interfere with their PROFIT!!!

wut

Fallopia says

Trump will be reinstated. Just wait.

If positive hope makes you feel better, I will not dissuade you from it.

It's a damned bitter pill to swallow to know just how criminal your government is, I know. I swallowed it 20 years ago and was in a practical rage for 16 years because 1/2 my friends had "hope" that X would fix it! Y would happen! Surely Z will be prosecuted!

The military has betrayed the nation. Where's your hope? In our fucking judicial system? Derek Chauvin is in jail because a thug drug addict died of a drug overdose after resisting arrest for 5 minutes. There's no judicial system.

This shit ends when enough people realize THEY have to make this shit end. The system isn't going to fix itself.

richwicks says

If positive hope makes you feel better, I will not dissuade you from it.

trolling, methinks. Link is a weak attempt at left-wing Babylon Bee.

When did the navy get judicial authority? This is a total BS story.

Realrawnews is fake news

Realrawnews is fake news. Sorry.

So what? There are idiots on all sides. I don't get your point.

That site is like the onion, I wouldn’t say it’s a ProTrump news site….

So anything pro-trump is true? Does that mean anything anti-biden is false?

Rb6d says

wut

Fallopia is trolling by posting this.

Is he an independent troll, or paid?