patrick.net

So no actual examples of racism in the mainstream right? Okay, thanks.

marcus says

Where as the only racism you will admit on the right is KKK. Give me a break.

Racism is not a driving factor in rightwing political circles. Your point about the wall above is noted, we just disagree.

You seem to think the way trump sold the wall was via racism, therefore clinton/obama and I suppose even bush were NOT racist for wanting boarder security. Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though. Sorry I dont agree w your logic, but ok.

Also, I do see racism as well as classism, bigotry, misandry to all be openly accepted political objectives from the left. When "Its ok to be white" it widely reported as racist and journalists cant write stories about the dangers of cutting off your dong = nazi, we have a problem!

You display the same problem, albeit much less extreme, via grouping Trump supporters in w racists. It is total and complete bigotry on display, unchecked will continue to erode our society.

Bogotry from the left must be stopped, imho. Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

If you are in a position to bitch about White people publicly, then you are a recipient of White Privilege.
Go to Africa and bitch about the Black guys running that place now. See how well you and your head fares.

CBOEtrader says

Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though.

Actually Trump has gotten far less done on border security than Obama. Trump just managed to get elected by getting you and the other right wingers to believe there is an invasion and only he could fix it.

I've put the stats up probably a dozen times, but you don't want to know.









CBOEtrader says

Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

Your lord works in mysterious ways.

if this took place microsoft stock would quadruple...

NoCoupForYou says

Every importer must certify, at own expense, that the products their importing comes from a company that has 99% of workstations - from their retail to sales to accounting to Board Room - running a certified copy of Windows/Adobe Acrobat/Quicken less than 7 years old.

marcus says

I've put the stats up probably a dozen times, but you don't want to know.

Stats mean dick without context. Cool, apprehensions are down when Trump took over. Number of border agents as well. Great. Great info. Is the number of people entering and STAYING here higher or lower? That's the only stat that matters. Are more illegals being removed as well? I don't know, but these tables and graphs are misleading if the point is overall reduced illegal immigration. These mean nothing to the conversation.

If we can reduce government pensioners from the payroll AND reduce the number of illegals I'd say that's an overall win. Sucks for the BP agents, but many more will likely benefit at the cost of a few. They can also transition into other careers easier than most. Not sure your stats are doing what you think they are without stats to show illegal immigration itself is INCREASING under Trump. These mean nothing otherwise.

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Your not being willing to comprehend them, is vastly different than them having no meaning.

The stats are also out there about the number of illegal aliens actually decreasing over the same period. THat is, more leaving than coming in.

Trump saying he was going to basically lock the door probably caused a major uptick.

> marcus

I'll join the chorus of those who invite you to provide examples of racism on the right that are tolerated by moderate rights. You made a statement, you've been asked for examples, and so far it's been crickets.

While at it. You also stated that, on the contrary, you are willing to recognize the identity politics and sjw nonsense on the left. Are there examples of it on this board?

I wonder which is more useless; a nothingburger or a bullshitburger?

What's funny is how Nadler got completely sidelined.

You'd think the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee would be in charge of an Impeachment Probe.

CBOEtrader says

Bogotry from the left must be stopped, imho. Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

Agreed. I'd go even further and call it self-preservation for the family. There's no reason for any Caucasian or Asian (man or woman), or any straight male or any Christian to vote Democrat.

jazz_music says

RafiMaas says

We can't talk about the moderation of the site. Lol

It's evident that some moderators are the type of person who shouldn't have the slightest authority.

BS!
This site is the least heavy handed of any forum I’ve seen. Some like The Hill are so militant that they will delete any post that makes a salient conservative point. This forum is wide open in contrast. Just don’t talk about other users specifically or be anti-forum.
I get censored here now and then as well when one of you get me riled enough to name names.

marcus says

will always know in my heart of hearts, that a douchebag of Trumps magnitude could never have been elected (or tolerated since being elected) if not for the subtle racism and also not so subtle ("we're being invaded" even though border security was massively increased in the Obama era), not even running against Hillary.

And I will go a step further saying that the kind of racism I see, some subtle, and much not so subtle, is on display very regularly on this forum.

This forum is free speech so yah we have racist memes being posted now and then. Patrick refuses to censor based on content so that’s where things are. Some like zzyyz may harbor deep animosity towards minorities especially blacks. I don’t have those same feelings toward blacks people, but then again I don’t live in Baltimore where I’d be exposed daily to the worst black people in America.
Hell, my worst enemies so far have been Croatians, those giant assholes of the near East, white as you can be, with bully personalities and extreme racists to boot.
I can’t even deal with those people.
I guess there are always going to be groups that fit a negative stereotype well enough to make generalizations fairly accurate. Doesn’t mean that doing so is right, but it IS HUMAN. Our brains are set to find and exploit patterns, in an attempt to deal with situations where we find ourselves faced with choices and incomplete information. Which are most of our choices. We have to draw on past experiences to inform our choices, since not much is known about most situations we face. Incomplete or little information is the normal situation for human decision process. You can’t know it all, and when it comes to people you can’t know even a significant fraction of the relevant information.

So we use stereotypes where they’ve seemed appropriate. These can range from behavioral (that kid seems autistic) to religious (that guy is Muslim, don’t offer him a sausage) to cultural (she’s Vietnamese, which explains why she’s chasing her kids around the playground with a bowl of rice and a spoon) to (sadly) ethnic.

To what end? Trump is still bitch slapping those pathetic snot whistle losers.

marcus says

Your not being willing to comprehend them, is vastly different than them having no meaning.

I presume you know what fiscal years are, right? DHS (and BP) only has data on FY17 on their site (basically what you posted). Executive orders can only do so much in a little over 9 months, with a budget you didn't approve as POTUS. Then account for a POTUS that had to run through all sorts of bullshit to get people just approved to help run the government. You'd defend Obama (and so would I) if the same occurred to him, as hostile as congress was towards Trump.

Once the FY18 data comes out, then you can start throwing shade at him over immigration and illegals. Otherwise the condescending tone can hold off until there are ACTUAL stats to bash Trump on regarding this topic. I understand stats, but there are no 100% attributable stats to Trump that are available at this time. Taking months to even get a staff approved (where needed) really doesn't help and I think even you can acknowledge that. This isn't a defense, just seeing the reality of the situation with no pony in the race.

How does this affect me?
I can’t see how.

Keep in mind the "Trump cult" is the only place to escape the "Woke cult".
Many are there just for that reason.

Trump is not a cult leader just because he can end the world, correct?
A cult is a cult.

This is what a cult is:

jazz_music says

You got nothing

What you got?

Who do you have in mind to replace Trump that will keep America great?

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though.

Actually Trump has gotten far less done on border security than Obama.

You made the point that somehow Trumps boarder protection is racist, then post about how Obama deported more that Trump.

Are you arguing w yourself?

The question to you: show us racism. Is the wall, etc... racist?

You say it is, yet somehow Obama isnt racist for being better at the thing you are calling racist.

Explain.

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

TDS is caused by the constant big lies coming from the media.

Source?

The media.

Jared was seen at the scene of the assassination licking blood off of his hands.

Isn't Khashoggi something you should name a Pomeranian?

Tim Aurora says

So media is the source of big lies

Has been for years.

jazz_music says

TRUMP IS LEADING A CULT

Does this mean you are in a cult?

Sorry, just using the 180 degree agitprop translator.

jazz_music says

Are there ANY of these so-called "woke" people here? No. Why not if that is really what the left side of the spectrum is made of?

Are there any progressives here? Yes, people who want to regulate capitalism for the benefit of the majority and put an end to the rendering of America to fewer and fewer families who prefer to remain anonymous and out of reach.

When you say "Trump is a cult", what does it mean? 40% of Americans are in cult, Jim Jones style?
That's silly.

A cult is just an extreme form of tribalism, and politics also always appeals to tribalism. It's all a question of degree.
And it's obvious both political sides do it.
Tribalism is defined by
- in group vs out group
- shared beliefs, values, narratives, dogmas.
- shared purpose
- leader / personality cult [optional and replaceable with appropriate priesthood].

My point is clear: whatever standard include Trump as a cult, also includes the woke left as a cult too.

And yes, many people will vote for Trump, not because they believe in the Trump thing, but just because they don't like how they are seen/treated by the left.

Jazz,
Who is calling an entire half of the country "nazi"?
That by itself is a bit extremist, is it not?

jazz_music says

I don't want those people to be confused by billions of dollars invested in reality inversion

They don't have to believe Trump. They just have to hear the scorn and dripping self-righteousness whenever someone pronounces "white male" in the MSM.

jazz_music says

Half the country?

Which half?

The half that's right wing. The close to half that voted for Trump, and as such could be wearing these hats.

Yeah sure I'm just going by the title.
The title is hysteric.

I know that Marcus will never answer the question but I’ll pretend like he gave “the wall” as a racist policy that mainstream republicans support.

1. There’s nothing racist with supporting strong borders. You don’t have to take my word for it. Just look at the chart Marcus handily posted with the number of deportations under Obama and the great point he made that Obama actually deported more people them Trump. If support of strong borders is racist, then Obama (and his supporters) are actually more racist then Trump.

2. But maybe it’s not the policy, maybe it’s the means? Sure, round people up, that’s fine, lock them in cages, that’s cool, but a wall to keep them out in the first place? Racist! Let’s ignore that Obama built walls too, we already proved that he (and all people that voted for him using the logic of this thread) is racist. Again, Marcus helps us out, check out the many hilarious posts he made about how easy it is to climb over a wall with a ladder! How is an ineffective barrier racist? Wouldn’t the Democrats that want to spend money on high tech, more effective border control measures be more racist? Oh, yeah that would... shoot.

(Side note, I would love to see you Marcus climb over a 40ft wall. If you’re willing make some easy money I’m sure we could get a nice fund going here to pay you to do it and take a video)

3. Maybe Wall is just a dog whistle. Sure, it’s not racist in itself, but a lot of racists like it. So what? We can’t support a policy just because assholes also support the same? Fine. Stalin was for socialized medicine so I guess we can’t have that either.

And this just goes to your comment Marcus:

“ I will always know in my heart of hearts, that a douchebag of Trumps magnitude could never have been elected (or tolerated since being elected) if not for the subtle racism and also not so subtle”

You know in your heart?!?!? At least you are admitting you have no actual evidence, it’s just a feeling you have that Trump and his supporters are racist.

Here’s what it boils down to. When people call Trump supporters racist it’s just a code for saying they aren’t human. People do this because they like to live in little bubbles where they like to imagine that everyone else has the same values that they have.

Liberals especially like to do this and you see it with the whole “don’t be friends with, associate, date, talk to, etc Trump supporters” movement. It’s also why they support illegal immigration, I guess I would too if I didn’t actually know illegals.

You live in a bubble Marcus. You live in a different world with different concerns and values then most Trump supporters. That’s fine. But dehumanizing an entire group because you don’t understand them and don’t care too? That’s fucking racist.

Don't wanna hear about how the Vietnamese would kick their asses

Didn't China sack Hanoi soon after the Vietnam War? And this was when Vietnam had a 650,000 man battle hardened army.

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though.

Actually Trump has gotten far less done on border security than Obama.

You made the point that somehow Trumps boarder protection is racist, then post about how Obama deported more that Trump.

Are you arguing w yourself?

The question to you: show us racism. Is the wall, etc... racist?

You say it is, yet somehow Obama isnt racist for being better at the thing you are calling racist.

Explain.

Best thing Marco can do is to just let it go and avoid digging himself deeper by posting further, ouch

Hey man, whatever's gotta be said to work up the courage to skin them smoke wagons. Certainly helps to dehumanize us first.

Heraclitusstudent says

Jazz,
Who is calling an entire half of the country "nazi"?
That by itself is a bit extremist, is it not?

FUCKIN' OUCH

ignoreme says

Liberals especially like to do this and you see it with the whole “don’t be friends with, associate, date, talk to, etc Trump supporters” movement. It’s also why they support illegal immigration, I guess I would too if I didn’t actually know illegals.

You live in a bubble Marcus. You live in a different world with different concerns and values then most Trump supporters. That’s fine. But dehumanizing an entire group because you don’t understand them and don’t care too? That’s fucking racist

It’s worse. I’ve repeatedly made the point that Marcus doesn’t know any of these so called racists. When really pressed he will point to memes posted here which is preposterous as he clearly doesn’t understand trolling despite being a troll at times himself and actually has no clue whatsoever as to the actual race of anyone posting here.

Essentially he rallies against self created caricatures. Which is pretty looney if you ask me.

Agreed nobody on the left knows any actual Nazis or racists beyond the innate natural racism, when I point that out to my leftoid friends they squeal and sometimes I can get them riled up enough to turn on me. Usually they calm down and apologize quickly. I don't know what's up with the desire to see racists and nazis everywhere, reminds me of clustered hysteria.

OccasionalCortex says

Should be fun to watch...provided of course the Dems actually impeach Trump.

Two already flipped on a "symbolic" vote of no consequence for the Dems. They know the Senate won't vote to remove. It's hysterical, but the writing is on the wall that they're not even going to have the votes for actual impeachment in the house. You cannot take your name off that vote.

I don't know the procedures of this exactly, but if there's a chance it WON'T actually bring about an impeachment vote in the house, that's the way I see it going.

jazz_music says

It’s the victimhood olympics.

The boss gets to cry the blues all day long , he wins.

So privilege wins the victimhood contest, the moral high ground.

Funny game really.

Just make plans to get that next gig in a couple years somewhere else unless you want to shive everyone to stay on.

WAT?!?!?!?