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TEOTWAWKI says

Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020 in China.

They're both WHOPPERS of a lie, and it's scary that there are health officials who would have enough lack of shame to print the latter remark.

Washington Post.

Next.

But the president, who often touts a personal relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping and is reluctant to inflict damage on a trade deal with Beijing, appears to view the WHO as a more defenseless target.

Thomas Dong, why are you citing an article that is editorial masquerading as reporting?

Tim Aurora says

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

Sooo, as of Jan 22nd there were no firm statement wrt human-to-human transmission and the decision whether CCP virus outbreak constituted a public health emergency was postponed till early February at worst.

Then, on January 30th they finally said:

"The Emergency Committee on the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) was reconvened on 30 January. WHO declared the outbreak to be a public health emergency of international concern.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200131-sitrep-11-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=de7c0f7_4"

On Jan 31st POTUS enacted a travel ban. Was it too late? By how many hours?

Bonus question: When would Obama enact a travel ban in the same situation? On what grounds?

Tim Aurora says

If you do not like the news, call it Fake news. Brilliant Trump . Now go and look at the 4000+ document lies with proof that Wapo has on you.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Thomas Dong, why are you citing an article that is editorial masquerading as reporting?

I cited a editorial part (there’s more than one or two in that article) and you simply ignored it.

If the shoe fits...

Tim Aurora says

If you do not like the news, call it Fake news. Brilliant Trump .

We don't like the Media and Democrats using Communist Chinese talking points to try to divide our nation for political gain during time of crisis.

But you guys do what you do.

The absurd "Trump has blood on his hands" because he didn't put a total lockdown and travel ban on New York back in February while Cuomo and DeBlasio were telling New Yorkers to take the subway and party in Chinatown is Orwellian.

FFS - do you guys really not realize how lame and petty this Monday morning quarterbacking sounds to normal people? Especially when we have hundreds of statements, videos, reports and editorials from our Media and Democrat Leaders in February/March saying Wuhan AIDS is nothing to worry about?

thomasdong1776 says

Onvacation says

He was kinda busy getting impeached.

Poor baby can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Can you stop an airborne virus??? I'll wait.... if you can you'll make billions and maybe trillions. But hey, bitch about one person trying to handle something.

WookieMan says

Can you stop an airborne virus??? I'll wait.

Progs think they can control the weather 100 years from now if we enact certain tax and regulation policies today.

So don't underestimate their grasps on Science.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Can you stop an airborne virus??? I'll wait.

Progs think they can control the weather 100 years from now if we enact certain tax and regulation policies today.

So don't underestimate their grasps on Science.

Funny you mention climate/weather. We're far better off in that realm with more dead people from this virus. They produce emissions. Unfortunately I don't think the (EDIT: increase in) overall death rate during this period will move much more than 0.5% worldwide. So I guess more people get wetbulb'd

The hypocrisy of people up in arms about this virus AND global warming is rather amusing. One helps the other, but they're too afraid to admit their bullshit.

Tim Aurora says

My point is Trump, who is a pathological liar, should have been able to see through the Chinese lies , especially with his intelligence agencies giving him all the reports, I was. I ordered a mask on January 27th, and I had no access to any intelligence. Patnet started a COVID-19 thread at the beginning of January.

Short of implementing a quarantine and travel ban in and out of the entire New York metro area back in February against the will of the local Democrat Governor and Mayors - what could Trump have done that would have made a meaningful difference?

Even today, there are no obvious silver bullets or missed opportunities that could save us from what is inflicting the entire planet.

Tim Aurora says

I ordered a mask on January 27th, and I had no access to any intelligence.

So you decided that WHO is unreliable and should not be trusted?

Tim Aurora says

Trump fucking administration is inefficient at all things.

Because they waited for WHO to declare the public emergency? Does that mean that trusting WHO was a mistake?

socal2 says

Even today, there are no obvious silver bullets or missed opportunities that could save us from what is inflicting the entire planet.

Bingo. Tim you owe this guy a beer.

HEYYOU says

It's so easy to make RepCons look like fools as tears run down their faces as their loved ones drown.

Do you and AF have a bet going to get the most ignores on Patnet? Serious question.

socal2 says

try to divide our nation for political gain during time of crisis.

This might be a valid point if it wasn't for the pie hole and stubby twitter fingers of Trump dividing the country every fucking day. Is he uniteing the country in crisis? Everything is beautiful as long as you don't question Trump's actions and views, continually kiss his ring, don't get too much plubicity. and constantly say what a great job he is doing, in other words mimic Pence, a repugnant sycophant and in house mortician. Liberate Minnesota , Michigan, Virginia. Conveniently all run by Dem Govs. Such a great uniter.

rdm says

Everything is beautiful as long as you don't question Trump's actions and views,

Everything is cool if the Media and Democrats don't lamely claim Trump is responsible for thousands of deaths because he wasn't a dictator enough.

It would be even cooler if we didn't see that the Media and Democrats are total hypocrites from statements made just a few days ago.

Remember this?

*Cuomo rips idea of banning New Yorkers from traveling to other states*
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/28/coronavirus-gov-andrew-cuomo-rips-possible-new-york-travel-ban/2934494001/

*New York Gov. Cuomo says Trump has no authority to impose quarantine: ‘It would be illegal’*
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-gov-cuomo-says-trump-has-no-authority-to-impose-quarantine.html

I can't surf or go to the beach in California because New Yorkers needed to continue to ride their disease ridden subways and were free to fly all over the country infecting the rest of us?

Do you and AF have a bet going to get the most ignores on Patnet?

Esprit de Corps for Ignore Whore du Jour, the poor boor.

socal2 says

what could Trump have done that would have made a meaningful difference?

You cant be serious. I know he claims his response was a 10 and he takes no responsibility....for anything. He (his administration) did virtually nothing regarding testing for months while lying about it to the public and we are still behind the curve as he now dumps all responsibility on the states. Way behind many countries on a per-capita basis. The supply of PPE has been a disgrace, this has likely caused many healthcare and first responders to contract the disease. If the Feds had recommended the shelter in place when or before CA. it could have significantly lowered the death rate. Just a few of his greatest misses

rdm says

If the Feds had recommended the shelter in place when or before CA. it could have significantly lowered the death rate

I'm pretty sure that if Feds had recommended SIP when or before CA none of the blue states would implement it. Including CA.

rdm says

If the Feds had recommended the shelter in place when or before CA

Is that something you want though? The federal government to tell you to stay home? Telling you to shut your business down and in the process not be able to feed your family or help out your employees? It's a god damn airborne virus. It's not a burglar that we can shoot or put up a fence to keep out. It's here. It has spread. It's not leaving. The cat is out of the bag, get over it. Open back up and move resources where they need to be as hot spots creep up. Not complicated.

rdm says

If the Feds had recommended the shelter in place when or before CA. it could have significantly lowered the death rate. Just a few of his greatest misses

Did you miss the links and quotes I provided by Cuomo?

He was threatening to sue Trump on March 28th for floating the idea of locking down New York.

WookieMan says

Is that something you want though? The federal government to tell you to stay home?

Even if it did: look at how well the will of federal govenment to enforce immigration laws is followed by the donkey-ran state governments.

Tim Aurora says

I saw signs that it had a potential of becoming a pandemic and took necessary action

The downside of you being wrong on taking that "necessary action" against WHO recommendation when you took it is the price of couple of masks ($6, probably). The guy who took necessary action mere 3 days after your insightfull move had much more things to consider. Like trillions more.

WookieMan says

Is that something you want though? The federal government to tell you to stay home

There were many states that used the excuse of the federal government not recommending the stay at home order to not implement it and or delay implementation. They followed the Trump administrations lead such as it was.

Personally I don't like any government telling me to do stay at home but we live in a society in which certain governments have been given authority to enforce such dictates for what is perceived as the greater good

Timmy and rdm: bbbbbut ORANGEMANBAD!
Okay guys... we are backing away slowly.

socal2 says

He was threatening to sue Trump on March 28th for floating the idea of locking down New York.

This is a red herring. The statement was "what could Trump have done that would have made a meaningful difference" I gave three examples. What Trump threatened to do and never did is not relevant to the question at hand. Could he have done it legally? practically it would have taken days tor weeks to sort out so it was simply bullshit posturing. CA went into the shut down I believe on March 20, The Bay area even sooner. Did NY wait too long, for sure that's on Cuomo and Trump.

rdm says

This is a red herring. The statement was "what could Trump have done that would have made a meaningful difference" I gave three examples. What Trump threatened to do and never did is not relevant to the question at hand. CA went into the shut down I believe on March 20, The Bay area even sooner. Did NY wait too long, for sure that's on Cuomo and Trump.

You gave 3 chickenshit and impossible metrics.

- Trump should have personally stepped over the CDC and FDA to tell them they are fucking up with the testing back in February? I know Trump is a stable genius, but how could Trump know the testing was fucked up when all of the experts at the CDC and FDA were saying they have testing covered?
- Trump should have personally inventoried every hospitals' PPE supply and then forced international companies to ramp up back in February?
- Trump should have locked down New York against the will of Cuomo and DeBlasio?

Lots of things seem easy or sensible with the benefit of hindsight. Having a President overstep our Federal constraints and impose dictatorial powers over duly elected State government is a big fucking deal......especially back in Feb/March when we have few cases or deaths.

But leave it to dishonest Progressives to try and use an international tragedy to gain political power.

Tim Aurora says

All he did was ask for 2.5 billion a month later

Um, no. It started with the travel ban on Jan 31st.

Tim Aurora says

It is costing Trillions now.

Right. Because we're dealing with a pandemic. Per WHO this was not at the level of public emergency up until Jan 30th. You bought your mask on Jan 27th. Pat yourself on the back for defying the WHO and acting early. The price of your decision was literally $6.

rdm says

There were many states that used the excuse of the federal government not recommending the stay at home order to not implement it and or delay implementation. They followed the Trump administrations lead such as it was.

Name one State - and let us know how many PROVABLE additional deaths that resulted.

Were big Democrat run States like New York, Michigan and New Jersey simply waiting on Orange Man Bad to do the right thing for their State?

Maybe New York would be doing better if they listed to Trump in March and didn't threaten to sue him?

Tim Aurora says

If yo are going to quote me quote the whole relevant line

I quoted and commented on that line in post #45.

Tim Aurora says

If yo are going to quote me quote the whole relevant line



TEOTWAWKI says

Right. Because we're dealing with pandemic. Per WHO this was not at the level of public emergency up until Jan 30th. You bought your mask on Jan 27th. Pat yourself on the back. The price of your decision was literally $6.

Tim Aurora says

It is costing Trillions now. All he did was ask for 2.5 billion a month later to which the Congress said he needs more and gave him 8+billions.

I quoted and commented on that line in post #45.

And stop writing on top - it's annoying.

Tim Aurora says

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Oa3nWjrRL2o

Remember in November:

Fartwell shamed people for wearing masks in March.
Pelosi and DeBlasio encouraged people to attend festivities in Chinatown and gather in large groups, both in February and March.
Biden was more upset over "Xenophobia" than the Virus.
Dems were united against travel bans and border controls to slow the spread, citing WHO, that repeated the claim that China had no new cases of Coronavirus since early January (laughably rubbish) and that it could not be transferred via human contact.

The Dems were handing out impeachment pens while Trump was organizing the first task force.

Tim Aurora says

- Trump should have personally stepped over the CDC and FDA to tell them they are fucking up with the testing back in February? I know Trump is a stable genius, but how could Trump know the testing was fucked up when all of the experts at the CDC and FDA were saying they have testing covered?
- Trump should have personally inventoried every hospitals' PPE supply and then forced international companies to ramp up back in February?
- Trump should have locked down New York against the will of Cuomo and DeBlasio?

Note I said his Administration.Trump personally couldn't tie his own shoes. But the great and mighty executive who hires only the very best people and then fires them because they are not sufficiently sycophantic and replaces them with 3rd rate toadies . Yep, he owns their actions and inactions in this case even if he aims to be the teflon Don, he isn't except among his base and the assorted, cloyingly obnoxoius Republican pol buttlickers. Have you ever seen a President take so little (read none) responsibility and blame every other person, organization, animal, vegetable or mineral he can scapegoat for his administration's ineptitude?

Tim Aurora says

Yeah and that was woefully inadequate and inconsequential by that point.. The NY virus came from Italy and he only banned China.

Still more than WHO recommends even now. Looks like we're in agreement wrt WHO being a bunch of useless fucks not worthy of our money.

And since we're on topic what was WHO saying on situation in Italy on Jan 27th? Or Jan 30th, if you prefer.

UPDATE: don't bother, I've found what they were saying about Italy on Jan 31st:

"Today, the first two confirmed cases of 2019-nCoV acute respiratory diseasewere reported in Italy; both had travel history to Wuhan City. "

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200131-sitrep-11-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=de7c0f7_4

But fucking Trump failed to ban travel from Italy when he banned travel from China!!!


PS. And, btw, on Jan 27th when you were buying yuor masks the WHO was still recommending against their use by the general public, IIRC.

thomasdong1776 says

Is there nothing that bitch won't lie about?

Nope. It's wierd. THe more he lies, the more his base clings to him. Even Trump has got to be surprised, but he learned long ago it was good for him.

With Bush we learned that a lot of voters are comfortable with a President that doesn't seem any smarter than they are. With Trump we learned they also apparently like it when their president seems to have less integrity than they do. I don't get it, but that's how it is.

TEOTWAWKI says

But fucking Trump failed to ban travel from Italy when he banned travel from China!!!

And the Democrat mooks complained about this too!

Are these fuckers this totally blind to what the Democrats were saying just a few weeks ago? Or are they just this dishonest?

*Trump coronavirus Europe travel ban comes under criticism*
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487242-trump-coronavirus-travel-ban-comes-under-criticism

*EU condemns Trump travel ban on 26 European countries*
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51857462

rdm says

Trump personally couldn't tie his own shoes.

Can you see how statements like this make one appear idiotic?