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Tenpoundbass says

Liberals will not win this.

You can't "win" a virus.

Ahhh, the Atlantic, MSNBC, all targeted to the Clerisy and giving all the mentally ill their alt reality.

Their dream is the destruction of all normies. They're mostly like fish tank cleaner wife, all deeply miserable and blaming the Chad's and Stacey's, stuck in 8th grade.

Funny that when Trump properties defaulted on its loans with DB, there was no great savior forthcoming from Russia, either from its banks or oligarchs to make the payments.

Trump properties simply asked for forbearance, the same as many other commercial property companies.

Kinda destroys the Russian narrative thingy again.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/trump-organization-asks-deutsche-bank-for-loan-payment-delay

NoCoupForYou says

the Atlantic, MSNBC, all targeted to the Clerisy

The clerisy ("Educated people considered as a group; the literati.") feel deeply threatened by Trump and the emerging populism.

Their status and self-respect depend entirely on being better than the proles that they own and rule. The proof that they are better is their elite degree.

If a Harvard or Yale degree is no longer so valuable, then their own value drops, and this is their greatest fear. Lower status, perhaps lower income.

This fear explains the rabidly insane levels of hatred for Trump and populism among the clerisy.

OccasionalCortex says

richwicks says

He legalized gay marriage.

Really? I thought the states did that.

Nope, it wasn't the States. Even left leaning California voted that marriage was between one man and one woman by popular vote.

It was decided by SCOTUS

Misc says

OccasionalCortex says

richwicks says

He legalized gay marriage.

Really? I thought the states did that.

Nope, it wasn't the States. Even left leaning California voted that marriage was between one man and one woman by popular vote.

It was decided by SCOTUS

Left likes to forget how they lost this popular vote.

So a bank that gave Trump loans to buy real estate may have been involved in money laundering that had nothing to do with the Trump loans.

I suppose all those people with Wells Fargo mortgages need to be held to the fire because Wells Fargo created false checking and credit card accounts..

German-Russian-Terrorist-Drug Cartel-RE Development Collusion!

Everybody knows the Left thinks that American Patriots have no rights to assemble and protest the Communist policies of the Democrats.

It's just a given Jazz, so what's your point?

You're only making your Comrades warm and fuzzy with this propaganda bullshit hit piece on fed up Americans.

How did Democrats get on so wrong, on the wrong side of History?

jazz_music says

Trump has been acting like a Russian asset,

And Christine Blasey. Ford was brutally raped by Kavanaugh

jazz_music says

Show me where reported facts were not true.

You can’t do it.

You are totally outclassed by this one video

Doomsday predictions were absolutely fake, based on bad science. So-called socialist Sweden did the right thing, perhaps because they did not need to bail out fucking banks, because they did not bail them out in 2008-9, and instead nationalized ones that went broke, leaving banksters with 1 kronor. I am amazed how our left-leaning Patnetters do not see an obvious connections of unnecessary corona shutdowns with the new wealth transfer to incompetent banksters/industrialists, called stimulus, and perpetrated in part by ORANGEMANBAD. Somehow here orange man is not bad, while in reality this seems to be the only bad thing he has done during his presidency, other than being a potty-mouth...

rd6B says

connections of unnecessary corona shutdowns with the new wealth transfer to incompetent banksters/industrialists, called stimulus

Of course the elite got bailed out at the expense of the proles once again, but do you think it was planned that way?

That is, do you think the shutdown was planned as a way to generate a bailout for the elite? That seems unlikely to me. The shutdown just seems like very poor judgement.

Patrick says

Of course the elite got bailed out at the expense of the proles once again, but do you think it was planned that way?

That is, do you think the shutdown was planned as a way to generate a bailout for the elite? That seems unlikely to me. The shutdown just seems like very poor judgement.

I can't make my mind up about this. On one hand, planning would require too much intellectual effort and coordination for it to remain secret, and usually simpler explanation (stupidity and desire for power-grab by local politicians, and limelight for researchers who tell us to panic) is right. Then again, think how elites would be able to justify bailouts of people who were bailed out 10 yrs ago if not PANDEMIC! WE WILL ALL DIE!

rd6B says

think how elites would be able to justify bailouts of people who were bailed out 10 yrs ago

They desperately needed a black swan. A bad cold was not ideal, but when your desperate...

and another suspicious thing- Fed Reserve came to Trump with exact plans for bailouts immediately after he asked, not like 2008 when they were making stuff up as they went. May be so-called 'elites" were opportunistic and were just waiting for a crisis.

rd6B says

stupidity and desire for power-grab by local politicians

Also consider:

- businesses' fear of lawsuits kept them compliant
- most people in power are rather elderly, and they were probably afraid for themselves
- Fauci explicitly telling everyone to over-react

But sure, to convince people to do something obviously not in their interest, it is necessary to spread extreme fear. And bailouts for the rich were obviously not in the interest of the public.

Patrick says

And bailouts for the rich were obviously not in the interest of the public.

and Left is fine with these bailouts somehow...they should have been in arms against them. This shows, once again, that we have no party supporting labor any more.
Another funny thing is that some of my right-leaning TX friends who were against bailouts of 2008-9, now are all for them because Trump!

Maybe if we stopped importing poor who immediately breed poor children we could have fewer poor?

Maybe if we gave no money for the poor to buy fast food they would have to learn to cook.

The poor are generally fat sedentary slobs.

Being fat is a risk for Wuhan virus.

Stiglitz is clueless.

jazz_music says

fake grassroots movement is BUSTED

Why are you calling it fake?

Everyone was pretty convincingly there of their own accord. They were quite enthusiastic about the protest.

rd6B says

This shows, once again, that we have no party supporting labor any more.

@rd6B

Yup. And look at just how well the über-rich did:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/heads-we-win-tails-you-lose-how-americas-rich-have-turned-pandemic-into-profit

jazz_music says

See not even one teenie weenie lie or accusations based on ANYTHING that was said.

Just cult bullshit

www.youtube.com/embed/YUVpPvlWxMQ

There was no Russian Collusion, the Russians didn't "hack" the DNC servers, Russia didn't "hack" our elections. I feel sick even listening to Maddow at this point.

"It's your problem, suck on it, and by the way, your taxes are still due."

I think Dems were counting too much on the blunderbuss of Panic Pandemic rising them further into power so they could just eviscerate the public for whatever they needed.

jazz_music says

These bailouts are worse than 2008-2009 in effect on America

yes they are
in essence every bailout of incompetent stupid hack CEO's begets another, larger bailout some years from now

Seems to be the whistle that keeps on blowing with no show results. Instead, they have had to make up all kinds of fakery in the meantime. Don't think I'll wait for the Deutsche Bank train to pull into the station anytime soon. There'll be tons of other made up shit in the meanwhile.

jazz_music says

Russians didn't "hack" the DNC servers, Russia didn't "hack" our elections. I feel sick even listening to Maddow at this point.

You do?

Then feel sick reading this too

https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/

This is damning evidence that will cost Trump more than the election

No, I feel like I'm wasting my time.

ALL "corporate news" in the United States is salacious garbage at best, or fucking propaganda at worst. It is a COMPLETE waste of your time to read it. So some loans to Trump were underwritten by a Russian state owned bank. Who cares?

Where's the collusion? How did Russia "hack our election"?

they made it ok to "not pay rent", yet taxes and mortages are still due.

When it comes to your money, fuck you. When it comes to their tax dollars.... give it!

Surprisingly real estate hasn't dropped much yet, I looked online, prices haven't gone down much.

FortWayneIndiana says

they made it ok to "not pay rent", yet taxes and mortages are still due.

When it comes to your money, fuck you. When it comes to their tax dollars.... give it!

Surprisingly real estate hasn't dropped much yet, I looked online, prices haven't gone down much.

More volatile market...Vegas is crumbling fast. There’s still desperate buyers in LA so it will hold for a bit and may not fall much.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

More volatile market...Vegas is crumbling fast. There’s still desperate buyers in LA so it will hold for a bit and may not fall much.

It only falls here when people can’t hold on and must sell or foreclose. So probably won’t go down soon.

Commercial rents likely will go down. I can’t imagine empty restaurants paying high rates today.

jazz_music says

richwicks says

Where's the collusion?

That is a term that has a definition in the real estate business.

"Collusion" is a a term that has a definition in the real estate business?

jazz_music says

Trump used that word repeatedly when talking about the accusations of conspiracy between with Russia and him. At the same time the factual reports listed in the attached video clip support the accusations and so do financial conflicts of interest that came to light between Trump and a Russian bank which is the only bank that would loan him any capital. So Putin can call Trump's note due any time he likes.

Hahah - even if Putin had direct control of the bank, it would be a national security issue and the underwriter would simply be changed, but it's not even that simple because Douchebank is the lender. The underwriter is just guaranteeing the loan and making money off from a spread. There's no reason for Trump to even know who the underwriter is.

jazz_music says

These are facts and they are not repudiated by your wholesale beliefs/feelz.

Gosh. You guys really are nuts.

Let's say Trump DIRECTLY borrowed money from the Russian Mafia and they called in their loan - what would happen?

It would be a national security issue, a US bank would take over the loan.

Here, maybe this guy (and I mean Jimmy Dore, not making fun of Rachael Maddow) can help you:

www.youtube.com/embed/RBLXZHTljTM

In our area I’ve seen about 40-50k drops here and there. But buyers are still there.

Fake news, from sketchy website.

:
Yeah, but what about Benghazi ? !!

marcus says

:
Yeah, but what about Benghazi ? !!

Actual people died, was real.
But bullshit about it being triggered spontaneously by a video was bullshit.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Fortwaynemobile says

Fake news, from sketchy website.

Right, obviously under the control of SOROS! and strangely half of the reported facts also showed up in places like FT and the Wall Street Journal - legendary venues of militant marxist agitprop. Sketchy newspapers. Sketchy books. Only Trump and Hannity and Hal Turner know the truth.

Forensic news.net is a sketchy website

Might as well go to readfakenews.com .

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

And that bank is a laundromat for the Russian mob and it's co-conspirators in the Kremlin - by design.

Deutsche bank? AFAIK the "laundromats" for Russian mob usually are Baltic banks, who are in EU but often co-owned by Russian mobsters. Although, I would not put any European bank past lucrative laundering business.

Interest rates are zip, which might shore things up for a bit, along with a pool of desperation buyers waiting in the wings. In my main neighborhood, the values have increased recently and a couple of houses have sold. It takes time for real estate and finance to digest these things, but if prices don't drop quite a bit over the next year I would be surprised.

If you want to flee Cali with your filthy lucre RE bucks to squander elsewhere, now is probably the time rather than later.

jazz_music says

How did Russia "hack our election"?

All laid out in the video attached.

Very impressively too backed by federal intelligence and investigative enforcement agencies, UNANIMOUSLY

Our intelligence agencies are nothing but a group of liars. This is an example of our intelligence agencies:

www.youtube.com/embed/uTDO-kuOGTQ

And it wasn't unanimous. That's another lie of our disgusting propaganda media. I don't care if you like Trump or not, what I'm trying to get you to understand our newsmedia is propaganda You are entirely misinformed by it.

richwicks says

what I'm trying to get you to understand our newsmedia is propaganda You are entirely misinformed by it.

I dig your posts, but if you think you’re going to change any libtarded minds around here, especially certain frequent posters, you’re sadly mistaken. They love the MSM and are entirely enthralled by it much like Renfield was enthralled by Dracula. There’s no mind left to free. They are lost.
Just trying to warn you because you will break your head trying to get these idiots to see one iota of reason.

STILL ON THE RUSSIAN HOAX!? YOU FUCKING RETARD, AHAHAHAHAHAH....

Shaman says

richwicks says

what I'm trying to get you to understand our newsmedia is propaganda You are entirely misinformed by it.

I dig your posts, but if you think you’re going to change any libtarded minds around here, especially certain frequent posters, you’re sadly mistaken. They love the MSM and are entirely enthralled by it much like Renfield was enthralled by Dracula. There’s no mind left to free. They are lost.
Just trying to warn you because you will break your head trying to get these idiots to see one iota of reason.

If you met me in 2007, I would be a "liberal" to you because I hated that bastard George W. Bush with a passion and his entire administration and the pathetic lackey republican congress that gave the dishonorable scumbag liar a free pass for lying the country into a war.

That was before Black ReBush became president, and did the same thing and the Democratic congress was more concerned with "gay marriage", and "a national discussion on transgendered bathrooms" than stopping all these stupid wars.

You can change minds, it just takes time - @jazz_music just still has belief in the parties. I don't.

In 2005, at least there was the outlet of the Daily Show calling out the most ridiculous lies of the Bush administration, but that was the ONLY NEWS on American teevee. Today, there's nothing. Remember when Fox News tried to make a "conservative" Daily Show type thing and it crashed and burned? They could do it today and be successful because the Democrats are complete liars.

Unless we smash the establishment of both parties, it's just going to reverse again, and 10-15 years later, you'll think I'm a flaming liberal idiot because I don't believe in some bullshit war the Republican Current President lied us into.