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FP says

My argument is that you have no proof that Comey was trying to sabotage the elections.

Well, that he was advised by literally EVERYONE not to release his letter saying the investigation was open again would be a starting point...

that apparently he sent this with literally ZERO info that anything on that computer had to do with Hillary is a good second point.

that there is an actual rule that the FBI will be extremely careful not to influence elections is point 3...

ironpussy, better start deleting all your posts about how trump is winning... just like you deleted all the "rmoney winning" ones!

wow you are such a fucking coward, even online!

40c8 says

Well, that he was advised by literally EVERYONE not to release his letter

Then what was there for him to do it?

FP says

No, I can't be bothered, neither there is need to. We established that your statement about Comey is just a subjective opinion. Therefore, I am entitled to a subjective opinion that it is wrong.

Except his subjective opinion is based on the actions of Comey. Yours is based on...

Rashomon says

Except his subjective opinion is based on the actions of Comey. Yours is based on...

the actions of Comey

While the government tends to seriously over-classify documents, in part to make them immune to Freedom-of-Information requests, it is not a defense to say I did not think that document classified Secret was all that Secret.

Ranina ranina says

Or he's just sincere in keeping the public appraised of the email situation, realizing the attorney general interfered in July in not letting him proceed with the grand jury angle he so desperately wanted and would be willing to sacrifice his career to get out the truth.

Or you mean his actions against advice and precedent look like he was meddling rather than sincere especially given that a computer check of the emails in advance would have demonstrated that they were almost entirely duplicates and showed nothing new. Instead he blundered straight into it knowing that it would negatively impact the chances of one candidate and most importantly, did so without any actual proof of wrongdoing. That shows him to either be an individual with extraordinarily poor judgement or outright bias. Either way, it doesn't look good for a man heading up the FBI.

Rashomon says

You said his actions could be interpreted in different ways, so give us your interpretation.

But my interpretation, apart from the fact that such is permissible, is an entirely different topic. As I wrote earlier, I can't be bother to explain further.

“If [Hillary Clinton] thinks she is clean, then tell everybody around her to go ahead and stop pleading the Fifth. Come to Congress and tell us the truth." — Congressman Jason Chaffetz

FP says

But my interpretation, apart from the fact that such is permissible, is an entirely different topic. As I wrote earlier, I can't be bother to explain further.

You have to laugh.

Rashomon says

You have to laugh.

I do!

indigenous says

“If [Hillary Clinton] thinks she is clean, then tell everybody around her to go ahead and stop pleading the Fifth. Come to Congress and tell us the truth." — Congressman Jason Chaffetz

Telling everyone around her to stop pleading the fifth would be the absolute dumbest thing she could do. But I'm not surprised that pissant Chaffetz is whining for it to happen. The GOPers have been worshipping Clintons for decades and it's been worth fuck all. They would be happy to subpoena her bathwater if it kept them from doing their jobs as lawmakers and enabled them to empanel yet another pointless kangaroo hearing circle-jerk of weeping self-important Chicken Littles. In the event she wins they are already planning four more years of wasted taxpayer-funded witch hunts that will lead to nothing but taxpayer-funded witch hunts. First a black man and then a non-man. Do you really think they need MORE assistance in the obstruction that has trashed their approval rating with the American electorate? More?

neplusultra57 says

Telling everyone around her to stop pleading the fifth would be the absolute dumbest thing she could do. But I'm not surprised that pissant Chaffetz is whining for it to happen. The GOPers have been worshipping Clintons for decades and it's been worth fuck all. They would be happy to subpoena her bathwater if it kept them from doing their jobs as lawmakers and enabled them to empanel yet another pointless kangaroo hearing circle-jerk of weeping self-important Chicken Littles. In the event she wins they are already planning four more years of wasted taxpayer-funded witch hunts that will lead to nothing but taxpayer-funded witch hunts. First a black man and then a non-man. Do you really think they need MORE assistance in the obstruction that has trashed their approval rating with the American electorate? More?

Wow you believe that? All the smoke coming from the Clintons does not indicate any fire?

I knew the trolls would eventually get to Iwop...

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Y'know, back when he was the Font of All Wisdom before he came under intense internal pressure

Ok. We are in agreement.

Rashomon says

Or you mean his her actions running classified documents on a personal server against advice and precedent look like he was meddling she was dealing

indigenous says

Wow you believe that? All the smoke coming from the Clintons does not indicate any fire?

LOL. Read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/edward-snowden-hillary-clinton-emails_us_581fe27de4b0aac62485334d

Snowden, of all people, explains why investigations that take so long, over and over, are more about producing smoke than fire. I believe that Clinton has been around so long that she gives a target rich environment to lunatic right-wingers who have to blame someone for losing so many of the last popular votes for President. The GOP and the right cannot win the battle for demographic change in America if they don't change. Rather than change and improve their chance of winning they prefer to build fires and point at the smoke. They get paid well to do it, and fools believe what they say.

So Glad the Russians turned off their Mind Control Rays yesterday.

neplusultra57 says

Snowden, of all people, explains why investigations that take so long, over and over, are more about producing smoke than fire.

Bullshit. More likely it is because the Clintons are trained lawyers and know how to manipulate and skirt the law. The allegations have been going on for decades.

Ironman says

Which is exactly why he put me on ignore

And you actually care, which is against the advice of every major religion, philosophy and doctrine of psychology.

If you read the Pali Canon (Buddhism) or the Bible, made notes, and strived to live completely antithetically to their guidelines, you couldn't do a better job than you're doing now.

You're basically anti-Jesus.

indigenous says

The allegations have been going on for decades.

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke, otherwise they'd have to resort to...gasp...governance and...gasp...compromise with a...gasp...black man or a...gasp...female. The only reason there has been only eight years of birtherism is because they didn't know about Obama before then. They've had decades to worship Clinton to practice their incompetence so they've written hundreds of novels with rivers of ink and oceans of time that you gladly pay for simply in order to achieve.....fuck all. Whitewater. Vince Foster. It's all they're good for and they know it so back to the well they go. And you'll pay them to do it. And if the #DoucheBag loses you'll pay him and his idiot spawn for decades to talk about it further. Who knew you were willing to pay so much for so long just for smoke and allegations with nothing to show for it? You've got them right where they want you.

indigenous says

Wow you believe that? All the smoke coming from the Clintons does not indicate any fire?

So far, after all these years, all the smoke was emanating from the cigar Bill stuck up Monica's zorch. Most delightful I'm sure

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

The Teflon Dona. With enough money you're never guilty in this country.

NuttBoxer says

The Teflon Dona. With enough money you're never guilty in this country.

It sure works for Trump so far.

As a general rule, until things get to court one shouldn't pay too much mind. If there are convictions, well, that ain't nuthin'. So far Clinton's nuthingburgers just piss off the wingers no end, but right-wingers continually suffer reality friction. It's pretty much their constant condition, but their only answer is to assail and deny reality. We're used to that, for sure. There are convictions to be had elsewhere. Where though? Christie's crew, for example. Four people have testified that he knew about all of it. But that's bias. That's rigged. Losers gonna lose. Losers gonna whine.

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Weiner's unwarranted possession of State Emails, which he had NO BUSINESS having on his machine (inc. the non-classified ones - why are they on his machine at all?)

Sorry to break your anti hillary ranting bubble but non classified government documents are public property. Anyone can have them anywhere in any format. Most people have to request them using FOI, but there isn't any law that says you can't have them no matter how they got there.

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

That he decided not to recommend prosecution, despite the fact that the sending of classified emails and storing them on an unapproved server does not require intent, back in July.

Feel free to write him and explain how you understand federal law better than the director of the FBI.

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

That it is not all smoke.

bob2356 says

Sorry to break your anti hillary ranting bubble but non classified government documents are public property. Anyone can have them anywhere in any format. Most people have to request them using FOI, but there isn't any law that says you can't have them no matter how they got there.

Do you know none of them were classified?

It's funny, but Clinton didn't like it when Wikileaks put out non-classified State Emails and called Assange a criminal.

It's still a security leak and it deserves to be fully investigated.

bob2356 says

Feel free to write him and explain how you understand federal law better than the director of the FBI.

Oh, I see the Russian Mind Rays were switched off and Comey is back to being a Rule of Law defender instead of an enabler of RACIST! TRUMPLAND! rogue FBI agents.

How about Hillary Supporters proving they are team players:

* Ignoring Hillary's stance on Keystone XL and her record of pushing Fracking hard as Secretary of State.
* Ignoring her support of every single kind of military action since she hit the national stage, not just Iraq.
* Ignoring Hillary's all-time record Corporate Donations, Bundling amounts, and PACs/SuperPACs funded by Big Corporations.
* Ignoring her pro-TPP Record.
* Ignoring her unwillingness to answer the question if she'd down Russian Planes in her desired No-Fly Zone

* Ignoring her tight relationship with Saudi Arabia and Qatar
* Ignoring her non-disclosure of Qatar donating $1M to the CF while she was Sec. of State.
* Ignoring her 'one device' lies about her Server
* Ignoring her bald faced lie her Server was 'approved' by authorities and she did nothing wrong by operating one.

Can't double-talk these things away.

Not good idea to have this wedding coverage made public. Perhaps a lobbyist was in attendance, which allows deduction of wedding expenses?

Did not mom or dad have a good enough income to pitch in?

This is Old News.

Everybody Does It, which makes it Okay.

What's more important is that we don't have a potty mouth in office.

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

That it is not all smoke.

It accomplished "not all smoke"? What is that?

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

That it is not all smoke.

It accomplished "not all smoke"? What is that?

The allegations against the Clinton's

Sorry--which is it today?

People voting for Clinton because they want to protect the establishment?
People voting for Clinton because they hate whitey? Or Men?
People voting for Clinton because Trump has a potty mouth?

Or is it possible they are voting against Trump because his tax plan is worse than Reagan or Bush, his temperament is so bad that his own advisors can't even trust him to have a twitter account, he has no concept what the word truth means? Any of those possibilities?

jazz music votes early says

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Oh, I see the Russian Mind Rays

Troll much?

Cognitive Dissonance about Hillary's Neolib-con record much?

No.

Tampajoe says

Or is it possible they are voting against Trump because his tax plan is worse than Reagan or Bush, his temperament is so bad that his own advisors can't even trust him to have a twitter account, he has no concept what the word truth means? Any of those possibilities?

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

That it is not all smoke.

It accomplished "not all smoke"? What is that?

The allegations against the Clinton's

Brilliant. Allegations accomplish allegations. You right-wingers really do live in your own little misplaced world. And allegations don't even rise to the level of smoke. It must wear you out just trying to refute reality all day everyday. No wonder you're all so cranky and have no energy left but to spend all your time online bitching about things. And then you....you don't even vote. This country deserves better than the likes of you. Never mind, never mind, say something about elites, you know, those crooked manipulators who have enough spit in their mouths to go out and vote.

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

indigenous says

neplusultra57 says

It's not about anything but making allegations and blowing smoke

Including Bill's impeachment?

What did that accomplish?

That it is not all smoke.

It accomplished "not all smoke"? What is that?

The allegations against the Clinton's

Brilliant. Allegations accomplish allegations...

So you are saying that Bill Clinton's impeachment did not take place?

You left-wingers really do live in your own little misplaced world.